Hyperthermia treatments. Any info?

[Phoenician]

New to the forum. Diagnosed with prostate cancer last June. Gleason score 7, PSA has been hanging around 10 to 11. I have been taking vitamins and supplements, plus graviola, plus RSO, plus Vitamin C IVs. So, I am a bit afraid of just waiting but I don't feel good about surgery or hormone therapy or radiation.

I am considering 2 different options in Europe. 1 - a nonoparticle medicine protocol based upon my blood panel by a doctor in Switzerland. 2 - localized transurethral hyperthermia - there are several clinics in Germany that perform this process; usually a few treatments over a couple of weeks, along with various other complimentary protocols.They say they have a great success rate.

Is anybody familiar with nanomedicine or hyperthermia treatments? Any info you could offer would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

[Magnus1964]

This is new to me. But then I am in the States. We are behind the times. I will have to do some research on this.

[Currumpaw]

I would never consider hyperthermia after reading about a man's experience who traveled to Germany for the treatment.

He remained in contact with several other men who had the treatment.

It seems that part of the initial hyperthermia treatment for men with prostate cancer includes a Lupron shot.

I'm not going into it in depth. He stated that when his PSA began rising and he had to look for other options, his urologist told him that prostatectomy might no longer be viable. The continued heating of the urethra and possible damage from the heating might make the procedure risky. He is on another site.

I had a friend that I was getting intravenous vitamin C drips with who had rather advanced lung cancer when he started. I believe the drips extended his life. He competed in a rally race and took second place to a late model Corvette driver! He traveled to Germany for hyperthermia and it also failed. I believe that had he continued the IV C drips he might have lasted a bit longer.

I have read that part of the hyperthermia treatment for me with prostate cancer is IV C!

[FCoffey in reply to Currumpaw]

And I would never recommend RP or RT after talking to literally dozens of men who did it. With a 3% chance of preventing progression after 10 years, and 100% chance of serious, life-altering harm, I think it is a sucker bet.

"Might make the procedure risky?" Give me a break. It's major surgery and full of risks. That uro doesn't know jack about the localized hyperthermia, which concentrates the heat a few mm from the urethra. They actually cool the jacket of the probe. No one wants to live with a scarred urethra - put plenty of men who elect RP do just that.

[Currumpaw in reply to FCoffey]

Hmmm? The man who posted his experience with hyperthermia followed, I believe, six other men he met through his hyperthermia experience. All but one had recurrence. Germany was the country I believe. He is on another site. The success rate he posted and the fact that my friend didn't have good or even acceptable results, but, his cancer was advanced, caused my sudden disinterest in the treatment. Could be the "Kliniks" they went to. Not all are equal.

Are you getting your intravenous IV C infusions in the states? I am.

Thanks for your offer of referral. I'll keep it in mind.

Currumpaw

[FCoffey]

I've done many things in my 12+ year journey, including hundreds of 100-gram IV-C and multiple trips to clinics in Switzerland and Mexico.

I didn't do RP, RT, brachy, chemo, or any other of the cut/burn/poison treatments. When I first met my Swiss oncologist 7 years ago, the first question he asked me was what conventional treatments I had taken. When I answered none, he boomed "Good." He didn't have to start by undoing the damage caused by what he calls "school medicine."

He used to work at Klinik St. George that does a lot of the local hyperthermia you describe. He thought it was too harsh a treatment for men in early stages. He recommended trying a number of other modalities. And here I am.

I've done multiple bouts of whole-body hyperthermia, where the body temperature is raised to 40 C / 104 F. It's hot and intensely uncomfortable, but in a different league than the transurethral hyperthermia, which is really a form of ablation aka burning.

After my first 3-week stay in Switzerland, my PSA was constant for 3 years.

If you are exploring clinics in Germany and Switzerland, I would recommend mine and my oncologist there without hesitation. He is now head of the oncology department. PM me for details.

Remember, you can go for more aggressive treatment at any time; best to start with the gentler ones and see if you can find a combination that works for you.

Good luck!

[MelbourneDavid]

Germany is a complete wild west for treatments. No evidence or decent research protocol is required.

With Gleason 7 and PSA over 10, you are at quite a high risk of the cancer spreading. Is it Gleason 3+4 or the higher risk 4+3? Have you had a multiparametric prostate MRI to image the lesion?

I do not think transurethral hyperthermia is likely to be an effective treatment for your stage of cancer. It might be effective for small, low Gleason score lesions close to the urethra.

Many, many alternative treatment success stories were small Gleason 6 lesions that would have better been managed by active surveillance, because they were unlikely to grow.

[Rsdutcher7]

We went to Klinik Marinus right out of the gates in Sept 2016 when my husband was diagnosed. Spent 1 week there and got 2 transurethral treatments plus a Depot of ADT on way out door. Knocked PSA down from 25 to 2 for 6-10 months. Then slowly started to rise. We didn’t go back in 2017-18 but in hindsight probably should have. Most guys need to go a few times. We are on way back today and will have 3 weeks of treatments including whole body Hyperthermia and high dose ADT. (due to Mets in hip bones & lymph’s)

My husband is BRCA2+ and possibly NES (Neuroendocrine +) so we treat aggressively but have never done surgery, radiation Or chemo.