Hi, this is my first time here so apologies if I’m in the wrong place. I recently had blood tests which show I have Hashimoto’s, but also seem to indicate problems with possible anaemia.
Ferritin 43 (13-200)
B12 235 (197-771)
Folate 10.3 (3.89-26.8)
Eosinophil0.6 (0.0-0.4)
Lymphocyte 1.3 (1.0-4.0)
Neutrophil3.2 (1.9-7.5)
RBC 4.62 (3.9-5.6)
Hb 133 (115-164)
CRP 3 (0-10)
Any advice or observations would be appreciated. Thank you.
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Each CCG/Health Board in UK will have its own local guidelines on treatment/diagnosis of B12 deficiency. Worth getting hold of local guidelines for your CCG/Health Board and comparing them with BSH, BNF and NICE CKS links.
Two useful B12 books
"What You Need to Know About Pernicious Anaemia and B12 Deficiency" by Martyn Hooper
Martyn Hooper is the chair of PAS (Pernicious Anaemia Society).
BNF treatment info in book is out of date. See BNF hydroxycobalamin link in this reply.
"Could it Be B12?: An Epidemic of Misdiagnoses" by Sally Pacholok and JJ. Stuart (US authors)
Table 1 in above article is about frequent misconceptions about B12 deficiency that health professionals may have.
Links below are to forum threads where I left some more detailed replies with lots of B12 info which you may find useful eg UK B12 documents, causes of b12 deficiency, B12 books, B12 websites, B12 articles and a few hints on dealing with unhelpful GPs.
There may be some details in the links that could be upsetting.
My GP was utterly useless so I’ve changed surgery in the last couple of days. She said nothing about any of my test results, including one that came back marked ‘abnormal’ and recommending further tests. It was an admin from Thyroid UK who suggested the possibility of anaemia. My MCV was 85.9 (78-96)
Haematocrit 0.397 (0.36-0.47)
MCH 28.7 (28.0-34.0)
MCHC 334 (320-360)
I already have RA and spastic paraplegia, and have just been diagnosed with Hashimoto’s, thanks to private tests and consultation. Hashimoto’s and RA are both autoimmune diseases.
Thank you so much for all the information and the links to further information. Brain fog permitting I’ll work my way through all of them.
do you mean they suggested you had anaemia or you had pernicious anaemia/B12 deficiency?The results above are all in range - with the exception mentioned by Sleepybunny.
Pernicious anaemia is a bit of a misnomer as it is actually an auto-immune disorder of the gut that leads to problems absorbing B12, and one consequence of B12 deficiency (and folate deficiency) is a specific type of anaemia in which your red blood cells are larger and rounder than normal. Your results don't indicate that you have macrocytosis or another type of anaemia. However, about 20% of B12 deficient patients don't actually present with this anaemia when first evaluated.
Your B12 levels are difficult to interpret - they are in range but low in range and people can be deficient at this level - particularly when you take into account that the accuracy of the serum B12 test is only 20% and your result is within this noise level of the bottom of the range.
This issue and how to evaluate a potential B12 deficiency - including the importance of symptoms are mentioned in the BCSH standards on diagnosis and treatment of cobalamin and folate disorders which can be found here
Sorry, they mentioned the possibility of pernicious anaemia. I do have peripheral neuropathy associated with the spastic paraplegia, and am vegetarian. Obviously, I’d rather not have another condition to deal with, but, as you say, the B12 is low in range, as are my ferritin and folate. If I’m even at risk of PA I’d rather take action now and try supplements than wait and hope for the best.
Not even vaguely. When I asked her about tests for anaemia the only ones she was willing to order were B12 and folate. She was so patronising and unhelpful (even ‘forgetting’ to request an urgent ENT referral) that I had to switch surgery. I’ll make an appointment with my new GP next week.
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