I had b12 injections in January and described in previous posts All the liver symptoms I’ve developed since then
On my search to find the potential cause I’ve come across
That you can end up injecting glass particles which can lead to many dangerous side effects
One being Nodular liver fibrosis
Which would explain all my symptoms
There’s no way of checking this as the cause can’t find literature to understand reversing or removing any potential glass from body
anyone have insight?
In over 10 years of daily reading posts on this forum , I’ve never heard of that happening . If I were you , I would invest in a top Ampoule cutter . This makes a cleaner break than doing it by hand . You could also use a long blunt withdrawing needle which has a filter . ( obtainable from medisave.co.uk ) or use the subcutaneous injecting method , as even in the event of such a rare event happening , no glass splitter would get into your blood .
Injecting subcutaneously might be the best option if you are so worried about it . Injecting B12 sub-cutaneously is as successful as I M.
But if you are so worried , do mention this to your GP.
I’m sure that your health problems are just coincidental. I’ve never heard a mention of anything like that happening . Best wishes .
It’s reassuring to see you’ve never come across that happening, just the articles I read stated that glass particles entering the blood stream could cause kidney, liver, end organ damage etc. so wondered if anyone has had the same as my symptoms seem liver related I wondered if anyone had similar
I don’t think that you will get a response , because I’ve never seen a posting on the forum about it in over 10 years . I inject I. M. and I go on the forum every day . I inject at least once a week so about 600 times . I hope that you can find out what is causing your problem .
I'm in several b12 groups/forums and have never heard of glass particles causing issues. I have heard of people being scared of them, like you, but never more than that.
Certainly speak to your GP , because there are potentially many other more likely explanations for your symptoms, and if you continue googling you will learn that nodular liver fibrosis takes many, many years to develop and start causing symptoms. Also if you are injecting into a muscle any microscopic glass particles are more likely to remain sitting in the muscle minding their own business rather than searching out a route to your liver. An ampoule cutter, filtered drawing up needles and subcutaneous injecting as suggested by @wedgewood will give you peace of mind as you proceed. 🫂
Thanks for responding, they just did basic tests and the ultrasound and said you’re fine
Obviously brown orange urine is not fine
Floating bloody stools aren’t fine
That’s reassuring that glass wouldn’t travel to liver just articles I read showed they could so I thought maybe,
I think as scary as this all is if the cause is something like glass particles because I chose to have injections the guilt would be immense so I am hoping it’s not the case
I’m lost for what could be the cause for the liver issues as they tested main causes
The only thing in my mind could be in the injections either getting contaminated/ not stored correctly or glass particles. But guess I’ll never be able to narrow it down.
Hope for a resolution of my symptoms as it’s distressing
Its extremely unlikely that glass particles are being generated by snapping off the top of an ampoule; even more unlikely they are being taken up by a syringe; even more unlikely they are then being injected. That they could then be carried around the body without being trapped & formed into a clot by platelets is more unlikely that winning the lottery. I do not think there is any evidence at all to back up that piece of irresponsible allegedly scientific paper.
I know it does sound impossible and the articles were actually just testing on animals where they found that to be the case, I don’t know if you’ve seen my previous post, this all happened after IM injection of b12 I know it will be impossible to discover what exactly has hurt my liver as? (Could be completely unrelated) but that was the only out of ordinary thing I’d done, don’t know if bacteria entered if glass did, if the b12 was stored incorrectly
Just hope I can have my health back
If your stools have blood in them, you should be having a colonoscopy to find the cause. The urine also does not sound good although note it can change color when you eat things like beets. When you have something wrong, it is better to consider the most likely causes and not something rare and very unlikely like injecting some glass. I hope your doctor can get to the bottom of this.
I actually did have one and they found no cause no polyps or hemorrhoids
I did actually considered basic causes for the first 6 months like dehydration, haemorrhoids etc
Then when it went over that with worsening symptoms I’ve been trying to look at all causes.
The urine has been dark since a year now, 3 months after the injections is when all my symptoms started,
Not sure what went wrong and hasn’t gotten better since
I actually have no cause for liver disease so this is distressing
And like trying to find a needle in a haystack.
Some info about liver problems and causes: mayoclinic.org/diseases-con...
Thanks for that, literally none of the causes apply which is crazy!
15% of liver disease cases are cryptogenic (no known cause)
That’s why my belief is something went wrong with the injections
Although don’t know how I’ll ever find out what’s going on or what’s caused it
As the always obvious causes have been ruled out by testing
What liver symptoms are you experiencing? Low B12 can cause paranoia, medical anxiety, etc. Not to say there isn't an issue. But keep it in mind. The liver is involved in the B12 process. But correcting with injections shouldn't lead to pressure burns not there prior, one wouldn't think. (I'm not a professional).
My b12 isn’t low and never read low either
Liver symptoms are endless
Red blotchy palms
Dark urine
Indigestion/ burps/ flatulence
Floating bloody stools
Constipation
Breaking teeth
Hair loss
Chicken skin
Liver spots
Blood work showed - high blood fat, raised alp bilirubin and bile acids
All which started 2 months after my injections
It’s not anxiety as blood work has shown liver disease
Just don’t know cause so can’t halt progression
Do you take any other medicines? Some medicines, like Methimazole to treat Graves' disease, can cause liver damage.
No medications, no birth control, no alcohol, no smoking, no drugs, no painkillers, negative autoimmune hepatitis, no other pre-existing conditions,
That’s why I’m hung up on injection contamination or glass
Based on all you've described 2 additional considerations and do not wait on any of this: 1. Rule out diabetes of ANY kind to include labs for type 1 diabetes (genetic or late-onset), type 2 diabetes, and diabetes insipidus. The labs for all of these include A1C, fasting glucose, c-peptide, fasting insulin, OGTT (oral glucose tolerance test to test your response to a glucose load). You should also consider requesting a glucose monitor eg Freestyle Libre 14-day to see how you respond to any kind of carb. Dark urine and liver issues are related to all types of diabetes. Very, very treatable and very recoverable. 2. Rule out a hidden infection eg kidney stones causing a hidden UTI (urine analysis won't show since bacteria are "trapped" behind kidney stone). An infection, especially in the urinary tract = dark urine. A long standing infection and bacterial load can impact your liver. I suspect diabetes which can cause recurring UTI's which together = your symptoms. Nothing to fear as both are easy to treat.
I would hope it’s something like that, which is treatable
ATM can’t figure it out and what it’s pointing to is incredibly scary
I will try rule those out, thank you
I can't help you with why you are having all these problems with your liver but I can recommend a supplement that I found very useful when I had liver damage caused by prescribed drugs. Try a Milk Thistle supplement with a high silymarin content to help the liver repair itself.
Still worried about symptoms and even private Dr wouldn’t listen!
I find this helpful
Where to self-inject (SI) subcutaneously (SC) please? 
B12 and piece of mind. Coming to terms with being sick. 
”Reduced b12” - panicking
