Entitlement to PIP mobility over 65

[Bananas5]

Many thanks for your patience while I looked into DWP rules. Not easy to find so they clearly don't want us to know.

Hopefully the following will clear up any problems

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healthygenes

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If you are awarded either rate of the PIP mobility component before your 65th birthday or receive an award on reassessment from DLA to PIP, you continue to receive it beyond age 65.

If awarded the enhanced mobility component, it is only if your mobility needs reduce that you may move to the standard rate ( and back to the enhanced rate if your mobility needs increase again within a year).

This information is confirmed in section 8.1 of Factsheet 87: Personal Independence Payment and Disability Living Allowance

Although you must make a PIP claim before you reach 65, once you are awarded PIP, it can continue to be paid after 65 as long as you continue to satisfy the entitlement conditions.

If you have a short break in entitlement (less than 12 months) after the age of 65 and then become entitled again as a result of the same medical condition, you can make a new PIP claim

If you are 65 or over

You cannot normally start to receive either rate of the mobility component after the age of 65, although you

continue to receive it if it was awarded before your 65th birthday.

If awarded the standard rate of the mobility component before you reach

65, you cannot move to the enhanced rate if your needs increase after you reach 65

If awarded the enhanced rate of the mobility component before you reach 65 and your mobility needs reduce to a level that qualifies for

the standard rate after 65, you can move to the standard rate (and back to the enhanced rate if your mobility needs increase again within a year).

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[katieoxo60]

Thanks for details, another one of those rules that cause massive confusion. Hope you are keeping well x

[Bananas5 in reply to katieoxo60]

If you listen as many times as I have Katie it does start to make sense....really it does. DWP logic is we all get wobbly as we age and our mobility gets worse. So...if everyone over 65 claimed they would run out of money. Just unfortunate in DWP eyes...65 is old!!

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[katieoxo60 in reply to Bananas5]

It is a bit age discriminatory sadly. But financially good for the DWP (:. Many older people could do with help towards getting out to prevent social isolation, but even ring & ride charge and some journeys cost more than bus fare, that's why Ester Rantzen backed the saving of free bus passes. Taxis in my city cost more than in London so the mobility figure higher rate covers a mere two return visits to local hospital. And if you get mobility payments you can't have patient transport no matter how ill or frail you are. Social care has been reduced in respect of patient transport, and you have to pay for the services of Age UKs volunteer drivers at £15 an hour I beleive. There is very little hope for frail over 65s unless they were disabled before that golden age. Services seem vastly aimed at the fit young and mobile these days, sad story for those who have worked & fought for there country and a better life.

[Bananas5 in reply to katieoxo60]

I was ready for you!!!

Why is there an upper age limit?

Successive governments have justified the age limit for new claims on cost grounds and the need to give priority to those disabled earlier in life, who are likely to have had less opportunity to work, earn and save than those with mobility needs emerging only after they reach 65.

Isn't this discrimination?

It is often argued that this constitutes age discrimination, but the courts have ruled that the age limit is not unlawful.

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[katieoxo60 in reply to Bananas5]

You are right about the court ruling, it states that the government can discriminate on age grounds in respect of pensions or pensioners over 65. As I understood it it was merely in respect of pensions but I have not totally read the regulation/ court ruling but it is obvious it is being used in respect of all over 65 payments. It is something to do with European law too It is quite complex like many laws, plus in many cases the state is already paying out once you reach 65 with no hope of return. But on the other hand PIP stands for personal independence payment so ought to be payable to anyone trying to maintain their independence irrespective of age. That's just my opinion of course. Bye for now

[Bananas5 in reply to katieoxo60]

I lose my mobility as I live abroad but...David keeps his through his War Pension. Paid by MOD.

Not sure what would happen if he wanted a car as no mobility scheme here though.

Now work that out. Should he lose his or me gain mine?!

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[katieoxo60 in reply to Bananas5]

Now I am a bit biased, because I beleive that all ex MOD staff who served their country should receive benefits appropriate to their circumstances. It is a bit of a waste for David and no doubt many other ex MOD who move out of England like my war veteran son did . I recall a member of family who like yourself moved to Europe her country of birth but still received benefits based on English regulations which I did not agree with , she was even asked which countries rules she wanted to go by. There is no hard and fast rules that work for all circumstances. I lost my husbands heating allowance because he died before payment day but was alive on qualifying date I was so annoyed I could not even be bothered to challenge.

[Bananas5 in reply to katieoxo60]

Of course I agree being married to ex Navy injured in line of duty....but as wife of and carer there's little for wives.

The only benefits I could possibly claim are...DLA?PIP care, Attendance Allowance, carers allowance and my old age pension. Too old for CA...get PIP so not AA and get my pension...just!!

But then climate is good, pace of life gentle...and our choice to live abroad and hopefully help David.

I know DWP rely on claimants not claiming what they should. For so many reasons people are tired, can't face another round of assessments and fearful of losing what they already have.

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[katieoxo60 in reply to Bananas5]

Yes some people do get so fed up of rounds of disputes for their rights that they give up. I think when you are ill all you want is a peaceful , relaxed life after working hard all your life for a pension or what ever, not this stressful pressurised life some of us have to put up with. Enjoy the rest of your day I am going to my granddaughter and I have been working hard today on the garden and deserve a rest tonight. xx

[micox]

Was exactly the same with DLA. Discriminatory!

[maclin232]

Hello all, first time posted, although always read

I am 68, been on dla since , seems forever. Had two reassesments in that time, got thru both on tribunal. retired aged 62

I have just had assesment for pip, as they decided it was time to change over.

I am confused, does it mean I wont get my higher rate mobility component. I always received it with dla.

[Bananas5 in reply to maclin232]

All I can say is if you continue to meet the criteria there should be no change.

But you will have noticed the criteria for PIP care and mobility is not the same as DLA.

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[maclin232 in reply to Bananas5]

Thanks so much. I get very confused with it all so was just trying to clarify I have had high care mobility on DLA for approx 10 years, so was worrying. I am waiting for the dreaded brown envelope now, face to face was at home couple of weeks ago

[Bananas5 in reply to maclin232]

Actually what DWP say is that those of us retired should only get a light touch review every 10 years. I am saying nothing!!!

My PIP is a 10 year award...the max they can give now.

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