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An intro to LCHF

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“For every expert, there is an equal and opposite expert”.

-Clarke’s Fourth Law

The low-carb high-fat diet has been around for at least 100 years, and it does what it says on the tin: it helps you maintain a healthy weight, it reduces your risk of heart disease and diabetes, and it can often fix niggling problems like bad skin. It is also, according to popular opinion, the world’s worst “fad diet”.

I’ll briefly define what LCHF actually is, because most expert commentators don’t know. An LCHF diet – surprisingly enough – is low in carbohydrates (starches) and high in fats. Protein can be anywhere in the normal range, from about 0.6g/kg to 2g/kg, depending on how active you are. Practically speaking, a typical LCHF meal involves lots of vegetables, a modest amount of meat and/or dairy, and often some kind of oil or fat for cooking – olive oil, coconut oil, lard, and butter are popular. Although it’s not mandatory, most adherents advocate minimally-processed food, and a wider range of ingredients. LCHF is not a diet as such but a philosophy for eating – there are many diet plans based upon it, with Atkins being probably the best known (and the most ridiculed).

This stands in contrast to what I will describe as the Establishment Diet, which in its idealised form is based on starchy foods such bread, rice and pasta, with some lean white meat. Fats, if eaten at all, should be unsaturated vegetable oils. While the Establishment do exhort us to consume ‘five [fruits and vegetables] a day’, this is presumably a lesser quantity than the recommended six to eight daily servings of carbohydrates (depending on who you ask).

So let’s be absolutely clear: a contingent of vocal experts is telling us that it’s terribly unhealthy to eat the meat, vegetables, and dairy products that sustained our forebears for millennia. Instead, we should eat foods that were either economically or technologically impossible to produce in large quantities until the Industrial Revolution. Western populations have followed the expert advice to the letter, and despite living longer lives (mainly due to vaccinations and better hygiene), quality of life has plummeted. People are fat, ill, and depressed. Many are taking cocktails of drugs of dubious value. Diabetes is rampant and uncontrolled, with many sufferers losing their eyesight or limbs in middle age.

How we placed ourselves in this predicament is worth exploring, and I’ll do so later, but in this first post I’d like to provide a quick-start manual for LCHF, for the benefit of new members or those who are curious about the concept.

Some condensed science first. Your body’s main “fuel” is acetyl coenzyme A (acetyl-CoA), which is a sort of articulated truck for delivering energy from food and from storage into the Krebs cycle – the hair-raisingly complex sequence of intracellular chemical reactions that ultimately pumps out ATP, the recyclable molecule that drives your body’s machinery. A whole bunch of conversion pathways exist to create Acetyl-CoA from various things, including fats, starches and sugars from your food, fatty acids from your fat cells, glucose from stored glycogen (in your liver and muscles), or from ‘ketone bodies’. Ketone bodies are perhaps best described as an alternative form of acetyl-CoA, produced by the liver; acetyl-CoA is readily converted either to or from ketone bodies, which are essentially twinned-up acetyl groups with coenzyme-A detached.

Contrary to popular opinion, your body does not care where acetyl-CoA comes from: it certainly doesn’t have to come from glucose. Most bits of your body have all the metabolic machinery to derive acetyl-CoA from any of the possible inputs, although a small number of exceptions have more limited options – notably, your nervous system, your red blood cells, and your retinas. Your liver can synthesize glucose (from lactate, alanine, glutamine, or the glycerol backbone of fats) for those few cells that need it, if it’s not directly available from ingested starches and sugars. However it is surprisingly hard to reduce dietary carbohydrates low enough that this process becomes critically important.

The TL;DR version is that your body is equally happy using either fat or glucose for energy (and to a lesser extent, proteins). While many sources insist that weakness and ‘brain fog’ are inevitable on a fat-based diet, there is no biological reason why this should be so, and neither does it happen in practice. Researchers have found no difference between athletic performance in ‘fat mode’ or ‘glucose mode’, as long as the athlete is given enough time to adapt to a fat-based diet.

But why would anyone WANT to use this fat pathway? Doesn’t dietary fat give you heart disease?

Well, no, it doesn’t. Even on a high-carb diet, the link between fats (or specifically saturated fats) has never been particularly strong. Huge, expensive research projects have failed to find a definitive cause-and-effect. What we do know, however, is that a carb-based diet of the Establishment type will make you fat. By the time most Westerners hit middle age, they’re distinctly baggy at the seams. This is not normal, and it makes a lot of people miserable. The simple explanation is as follows: fat storage is mediated by insulin. Insulin rises when carbohydrates are ingested and delivered into the bloodstream as glucose; this is a signal to all cells capable of using glucose to remove glucose (and other things) from the blood, thus maintaining blood sugar within the required range. More often than not, that glucose ends up being stored as fat: it's entering your body faster than you can use it. Eat carbs at every meal and your body is always storing, never burning. A low level of insulin, conversely, is a signal for the liver to release glucose into the blood, and for fat cells to release fatty acids.

A carb-heavy diet appears to trigger diabetes in an unlucky few, and there is increasing evidence that the saturated-fat issue has been a case of mistaken identity. It’s true that people who go on to develop heart disease have high levels of circulating saturated fatty acids. It turns out, however, that those fatty acids are the output of the body’s own fatty-acid synthesis pathway: they were originally excess carbohydrates, and they have noplace to go. Whether this is a causative mechanism behind atherosclerosis is still unknown, but at best, it appears to be a symptom that a body is in metabolic distress.

So how do we do this?

The adaptation phase is probably the most widely-misunderstood aspect of LCHF. Sometimes called ‘keto’ (short for ketosis), it involves a two-week period of extreme carbohydrate restriction. 25g net carbs is typical. Your body is essentially forced to burn only fat for energy – because nothing else is available. When carbohydrates are cautiously reintroduced, it carries on using that fat-burning pathway.

To achieve adaptation, you’ll go cold turkey on sugar, bread, pasta, potatoes, and ALL other sources of starch. You’ll eat a lot of salads and vegetables. You’ll add fats and oils – that typically means cooking with butter, making dressings with oils, and using fatty cuts of meat. You’ll be using cream instead of milk. You certainly won’t be eating dessert, although jelly (without sugar) is fine.

Most people feel slightly uncomfortable during this period. Ketones are excreted in the urine until your body starts to figure out what to do with them (people often use ketone test strips to check this, which indicates things are going according to plan). Although the term ‘keto flu’ is used, it’s nothing like flu: at worst, it’s that mild feeling of malaise that you get when you’re coming down with a cold, and it passes in about 3 days.

Detractors will assert that this is outrageously dangerous, "because ketone bodies acidify the blood". This is nonsense. Your blood pH is buffered, and ketone concentrations are regulated. Unless the buffering action is overwhelmed by an enormous quantity of ketones – something that can happen to diabetics and alcoholics – there is nothing unsafe about ketosis.

The naysayers will also assert that attaining ketosis demands such a boring diet (this is true) that nobody can stick to it for any length of time (also true). However, unless you want to, there is no need to do so for more than a couple of weeks. After that, you’re into a weight-loss phase.

Atkins, in his book, describes an overly-cautious approach to the weight-loss phase. Subsequent research suggests that, once induction has been achieved, most people can eat almost anything as long as they avoid sugar, potatoes, and flour-based products, and they will continue to lose weight. Carrots, fruit, and even things like icecream and chocolate, are OK in moderation.

Once you’ve achieved your desired weight – which will likely happen very rapidly – you’re into the maintenance phase, and here’s where the real magic happens. You’ll find that you no longer WANT to eat things that make you fat. Your appetite is working again. Far from being “impossible to adhere to”, LCHF feels the most natural thing in the world.

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I hope you won't mind me being absolutely honest, Toad/Ivan, but much as I agree with everything written here, it's precisely this type of post that puts people off.

If you scroll back 2.5 years, you'll find my first post here and it sums up what people want when they're looking for a new and enlightened way of eating.

Most of us have a lifetime of indoctrination that we need to leave behind and that's scary. Anything that sounds scientific and complicated, makes us panic all the more and we feel stupid.

What we need, are bite sized pieces of information, that we can relate to the real world. I read some gentle introductions, that were enough to make me look further and have done a lot of research of my own. I have taken a long time, encouraging others to consider making the change too, but as a fat person, not as a boffin.

I would love to see this forum come to life, but not if that means exchanging information that can be obtained on the internet, or to stimulate debate, which I, and many others find intimidating, but as a friendly way to educate, exchange ideas and to help people suffering the effects of a low fat, high carb diet.

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In my defence, I'm no boffin, but I do know people :)

Thank you for caring :)

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Hi Toad,

The reason Health Unlocked (in this case) is moribund is that the politics put most people off, and folk bail out frankly learning nothing.

If you care about the subject there are far better forums out there, and I speak as a long time poster and moderator.

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moreless and MikePollard : I was rather expecting that response, and I appreciate your honesty. However, I've noticed that in current year, anything worth saying will be condemned as offensive. On the other hand, this IS the LCHF forum, so I don't think anyone can pick fault with the article as off-topic.

If people want to start a debate around the subject that's fine - I like debate - but that wasn't my intent; and if people are put off by the politics and bail, well, that's their choice. I was simply addressing the sporadic posts (over the past few weeks/months) from people asking for information. In other words, I'm preaching to the choir. I'm addressing people who have already figured out that there's something wrong with the standard advice. I'm not attempting to convert anyone who isn't ready to listen.

The article is what it says: a one-page summary of what LCHF is all about (which this forum seems to lack) for those who don't want to spend hours trying to sort the wheat from the chaff on Google. Some people just ain't got time for that. Healthunlocked is - I assume - a fairly well-trusted site, so it's not unreasonable that people might look here for a one-stop summary.

If it turns out nobody's interested, I won't bother with subsequent articles. This one was merely testing the waters. My intent for the next one was to address precisely the question you (moreless) ask in your old post: what does LCHF look like in the kitchen?

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moreless in reply toTheAwfulToad

Is there any point in preaching to the choir? Isn't your post on the Weight Loss forum an attempt to convert? Look at the difference in activity here and there. Is that because of the educational content, or because of how the members are treated.

I believe this forum needs a core group, each with a slightly different angle, to make it work, but that's my personal opinion.

I wish you luck :)

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>> Is there any point in preaching to the choir?

My experience is that there's no point preaching to anyone else. If people are put off by what I wrote, they're not ready to do this. Later on, maybe they will be. You can lead a horse to water and all that.

People on the Weight Loss forum may not even be aware that this forum exists: that is, they may view the group list and not even know what 'LCHF' stands for. Hence the flag. You yourself have pointed a few people in the direction of low-carb, and some of them may well be wondering, OK, what now? How does this work? How do I find out more?

>> Look at the difference in activity here and there. Is that because of the educational content, or because of how the members are treated.

I don't think it's either one. The vast majority of people who are dieting attempt to do so with caloric restriction, and caloric restriction doesn't work for 97% of the overweight population. It's just a statistical artifact: a lot of people are dieting and a lot of THEM are failing, and they will inevitably end up in the group that caters for failing dieters. Those who are sick of failing can follow the link. If they don't like the link content, they can close the page.

If this forum revives, it will inevitably be full of contention, because that's the current status of LCHF in the public sphere. There will be posters coming in telling us (LCHF advocates) that we're horrible people. So be it. There will also be posters with genuine questions and perhaps some people will provide genuine answers, eg., your original request for a fly-on-the-wall view of LCHF habits.

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moreless in reply toTheAwfulToad

You have to ready people, they need gentle guidance, which is what I've been doing for 2.5 years and nobody likes being preached to!

I know many people on the Weight Loss forum now, are members of this forum too, just as many of us are members of the Healthy Eating Forum, but will never post, or get involved, because, at the moment, neither place feels right.

LCHF sounds scary, but encourage someone to reduce their carbs, and not buy low fat products and they'll do that, although it's exactly the same.

I would love to have the freedom of this forum, but a few posts, isn't going to encourage new members, this needs to have a community feel, where anyone and everyone can feel comfortable, even if our comfort zones may be poles apart :)

I honestly hope you will succeed and I'll try and support you, in whatever way I can, but don't expect intelligent posts from me, that's outwith my remit! :D

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>> I believe this forum needs a core group, each with a slightly different angle, to make it work, but that's my personal opinion.

Then why not become part of that core group? You clearly have knowledge of and practical experience of LCHF, and you write well. Why be a wallflower? The group appears to have been idle for at least a year, so if you get some content on here, maybe it will attract a new group of people who you're comfortable with.

People are all different. Robert Atkins was a prickly kind of guy and his book (maybe you've read it?) was quite confrontational. I'm receptive to that kind of approach: it changed my mind about everything I believed. Yes, other people need to be prodded along more gently, but if you try to please everyone, you end up pleasing no-one: when you write, you have to write to an audience, and those on the fence (or clinging to it by their fingernails) are not in my audience. I'll leave that job to others who can do it better than me (you, perhaps).

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You're either an extreme early bird, or living in a different part of the world!! :)

I'm considering my involvement, as I fear my approach would be too 'Grannyish'. For starters, I'm very twitchy about unlocked posts, that I have no control over and are the province of all and sundry. I tend to speak from the heart and feel that closer scrutiny would render my 'anonymity' useless and merely an illusion.

I can write from the fat person's point of view, but would like to see a core team speaking from a diabetic's experience, PCOS, fatty liver and all the other medical conditions that we believe to be helped by a LCHF diet. Living proof, as it were, rather than a band of slightly screwy, flag wavers! ;)

I also feel the forum needs organising, or it will just be a string of posts, that will eventually get lost and then the pertinent information won't be readily available to the people that need it. To do that, it needs at least one Administrator.

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>> You're either an extreme early bird, or living in a different part of the world!!

It's the latter. On that subject ... I thought Asians reacted badly to confrontation until I met the modern Brit. In the last ten years there's been an extremely worrying trend: a powerful group of thought leaders who make it their business to censor (and censure) public opinion. Anyone who steps out of line must be publicly humiliated. This is completely alien to me: it's not the England I grew up in, and I think it's a very, very dangerous scenario. Countries that tolerate that kind of thing end up like Iran or Airstrip One. Democracy - and all the benefits that derive from it - depends on the open exchange of ideas, without a professional contingent of people whose self-appointed job is be perennially offended.

>> I fear my approach would be too 'Grannyish'

Every writer has their own "voice". Yours is what it is, just as mine is what it is. Some people won't like it. Others will.

I'm sure that a bit of regular content in this group will bring in the people you mention - I agree that it would be very nice to see some real-life success stories here. As it is, they've got nothing to hang their comments onto, and not everyone wants to start a thread. It's like restaurants: if you see other people enjoying themselves, you're more likely to walk in. If the place is empty, you'll avoid it.

On the other hand, I don't want to be the only person spamming the group with my braindumps, so it would be good to see some more meaty articles from other posters.

Incidentally, I'm the ex-fat person.

But yeah, I guess an Administrator is needed to keep things tidy.

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elliebath in reply tomoreless

Not entirely true moreless , you do write intelligent posts! That's why so many of the weightloss /maintainer readers are succeeding in a new, healthier lifestyle. ☺

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moreless in reply toelliebath

Thanks Ellie, you're too kind :)

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molly165 in reply toTheAwfulToad

Yes practical tips would be much welcomed!!!

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I found this post interesting and a good summary of the info that is out there. I think you're right - in my case at least - that many beginners to the lchf lifestyle have research fatigue and would value a reasoned overview. Perhaps I'm more of a facts and figures person than some, but I appreciate it. 😉

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Thank you for this post. I am currently reading "The Diabetes Code" by Dr Jason Fung. I can't wait to complete this book and pass it on to my mom in hopes that it will help her with her health.

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Excellent post Toad.

I am fully in agreement with you.

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molly165 , Rignold , NSNG-am : thanks for the encouraging comments. As per moreless 's suggestion, I'll post a followup article on the practical details of LCHF-based meals.

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I completely agree. The winds of change are blowing in the right direction. While it used to be a sort of rite of passage for medical students to produce an article ridiculing the Atkins diet (or LCHF in general), they're now more likely to write about its relative merits.

Nevertheless there's still an awful lot of misinformation out there, and I'm attempting to collect a potted summary of LCHF in this series of essays. And there are, as you say, a lot of people making money out of the status quo. Hopefully others will contribute here as more readers show interest - I've been pleasantly surprised by the number of people jumping in.

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I stopped eating carbs because they were the cause of my hunger, I was always grazing. Although trying to eat low fat, or small piece of fruit. But then it wouldn’t be enough then I had to have that huge chunk of bread or packet of biscuits. Since I cut all carbs I never feel hungry, and I enjoy my food. There is only one snag, I was already eating low calories and when I cut carbs then my calories reduced even further. When I posted on here I was told to eat good fats such as cream, cheese, olive oil etc. And I do believe I actually went Ketosis. I had reduced my calories to 5300 a week and I was feeling clammy and faint when I was out walking and I was becoming demotivated, had to push myself to do daily tasks. I have doubled my calories, or so I tell myself. When counting calories I always round up or add extra on, but I think I am most days at the low calorie intake for my height and weight.

However the problem I have is my weight did go up a couple of pounds when I increased my calories but it is not moving now it goes up a pound and back down a down a pound. It’s probably a month now since I increased my calories.

I will never go back to eating full carbs, I understand most foods contain carbs. And I will avoid processed food as much as possible. Yesterday I used tinned tomatoes in a recipe, my stomach came up like a beach ball. Haven’t used tinned for a while because of the abundance of fresh tomatoes.

I would never have thought losing weight could be so difficult and now I will look at others as not having willpower but genuinely really struggling with their weight.

What’s more, I believe diet clubs have created a lot of this because they always say you don’t have to give up your treats such as mars bars and crisps. Do they not realise most people including themselves will go back to eating a full size mars bar and not the “mini treat” version. When I first started weight watchers many years ago, the best thing about the diet was weight watchers frozen deserts. I never bothered with deserts generally but I always had one when I was dieting. Weight watchers have made an awful lot of money out of their “mini treats”, over the years.

I know I have gone on a bit, but it’s not easy and it’s disheartening when you don’t lose weight.

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Megbird in reply toLesley1234567

It has been a while ago since this post. I agree with you. It is a good read and I personally haven't been with Weight Watchers but it is interesting to read what it is all about. You are right mini- treats isn't good at all. I used to eat chocolate bars and one chocolote bar do invite another chocolate bar,which means you are left in a vicious circle. I tried weight watchers Crisps before they tasted awful in my opinions. LCHF it is the best diet to follow with combonation of excercise. I don't for food any more and I hope it will work for me too. Taxx

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Lesley1234567 in reply toMegbird

Hi Megbird, I hope it works for you. My weight loss has not been as much as some on here but I have maintained, which for me is an excellent result. And I don’t feel hungry anymore and I know I am eating healthier food, no longer eat processed foods, although there are some such as butter and oil things like this obviously go through a process. My husband has this week cut back on his bread consumption, although he doesn’t have a weight problem he has decided to cut back. So although he hasn’t restricted his carbs like I have I think he is seeing the difference it has made to me. Even my mood has changed, I don’t get as irritable as I used to.

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Megbird in reply toLesley1234567

Hi Lesley,

thank you I am not so overweight either 12 stones when i started on here or less, i am now 11 and a half. I would like to be just under 11 stones. My main concern is that it is not as easy as it looks.Anyway It is a journey and i will keep on as i would like to overturn T2. it was a shock but i knew something was wrong as my stomach was ballooned as if i was expecting. that was the main symptom, with LCHF diets all that disappeared within a week. thank you once again. megxx

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You should write a book. As someone fairly new to lchf and Keto, I find it inspiring......

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Megbird

I also Agree, I personally know that it worked for me. A while ago in a conversation with someone they told me that few of medical staff dont know about good diet. So lets keep on encouraging others by posting positive outcomes on here. I just wish I knew about these forums long time ago.

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Fascinating. Thanks. More reassurance for my decision. Induction was a doddle. Not looking to increase carbs anytime soon. Not missing them at all. Appear to be accidentally fasting now too for up to 18 hours. Just not hungry. Miracles! 😊This post will be very useful for me to share with family to explain what’s what! Hope that’s ok.

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Thanks for the positive feedback - it's funny how many people think induction is going to be like being dragged through hell backwards, and then come out the other side thinking ... huh - that wasn't so bad, I could just carry on doing this!

Realistically you'll probably get bored with it eventually and you'll want to increase the variety of your meals with "carby" foods like fruit and carrots. There's absolutely no problem with this. Once you've been through induction your body will start using carbs much more efficiently - they don't end up being stashed permanently as fat.

Let us know how you get on :)

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