Just had the call from my clinic to confirm another BFN. It was an FET with a 5AB PGTA tested embryo. I was on a down regulated cycle with zoladex at day 21. Then in preparation I was Progynova x 3 a day, Utrogestan x 3 a day, Prednisolone x 4 then reduced to 2 x a day, lubion x 1 day & Inhixa x 1 a day. Tubes removed a year ago due to hydrosalpinx.
I still have 5 normal frozen embryos but losing all hope that this will ever work for me and Iām getting so tired of having to pick myself up and go again. This is the 5th transfer Iāve had, only 1 was positive and that ended in miscarriage.
Will book a follow up with clinic soon, any suggestions on what questions I could ask or what different protocols youāve used would be greatā¦thanks everyone. X
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Hi Cherie. So sorry to hear this and hope you have plenty of support around you just now. The only thing I can say, is perhaps have a rest and try later. Your embryos are safe and maybe one of them will be the one youāve waited for. Have you had a hysteroscopy to check out your womb and take a biopsy. You probably already have, so apologies for that. Look after you. Thinking of you. Diane
Hey, I don't have anything particularly helpful to impart but just wanted to say that I'm sorry to read this. I think it's understandable that you'd be struggling with this and having a wobble, well done for getting this far. I was looking at my clinics add ons earlier (I'm actually an NHS patient so this isn't an option right now for me) but they seem to have tests where you can look at your wombs bacterial composition to check if there is anything going on that makes it less embryo friendly. I don't know how worthwhile these add ons are but I thought it sounded interesting. Sending love xxxx
Thank you for your reply and for the information about the add ons and the warning about the red rating. Still worth me asking my clinic when I have my follow up in a couple weeks. X
I have had two miscarriages with PGS tested embryos. Finally success with my third tested embryo (and after many transfers).
My doctor said in his 30 year career he has never seen a woman not have a live birth with more than four tested embryos - so your baby is waiting for you. Just keep going (and make sure you are on 25mg or more steriod dose for immunes as anythibg under doesnt work - according to my doctor). X
Thanks for the reply. Itās reassuring to hear. I was on 5mg Prednisolone 4 x a day for 4 days and then they reduced me to 5mg twice a day. Iāll ask about the dosage in my follow up. X
Hi Seren , I had 3 previous miscarriages with untested embryos . I did a double embryo transfer using pgta, one failed implant and other embryo miscarried . Did ur doc tell anything about against transferring doing double euploid embryos. I feel like wasted two precious embryos
My doctor said exactly that - itās a waste of two precious tested embryos. He said the issue will most likely be communication between the embryo and the lining so I did steriods (25mg) and an hcg flush. Thatās what worked (it was my lowest grade embryo, the best grade tested embryos resulted in miscarriage). Xx
Thanks for the reply . Iām gonna ask for steroids for extended period if not buy and ship from else where as they have only for 5 days . But they donāt do Hcg wash not sure how I can manage to pull that . I can do Hcg injection but wash is gonna be tricky
If you are unsure of your clinic, you can always transfer your embryo to a new clinic and get a fresh perspective, especially if you donāt have many tested normal embryos or they were hard to get (like me) x
not many clinics around here , I transferred to new clinic because my previous clinic got shut down unexpectedly. But I get your point , I will explore ā¦
no at in my current clinic gives a damn about being me achieve pregnancy . They even did not get back to me since my miscarriage for which they even refused to give misoprostol saying they already discharged. All I have is anger and frustration. Ended up calling doctors back in my home country ( india ) they said itās illegal to transport embryos from another country to india.. Iām not hurrying to transfer another euploid embryo of mine and lose it . Just sick and tired of losing fetus / babies . I feel so frustrated why such things happen to me
hiya, yep every round was different they added steroids and clexane. The upped doses of progesterone. I had a hysterocozy and the had a look at my womb for fibroids etc. for the era emma and Alice test they follow the protocol like you will have a transfer then they do a biopsy instead of transfer. It checks for bacteria levels, infection in the womb and the optimal time for transfer. My results came back that I needed an extra days medication so the next transfer was on day 6 instead of 5 and it worked.
They say you donāt need the era if you have had some form of implantation. This isnāt true as I had 2 chemicals xxx
Hi. I'm so sorry to hear this. I've just had a failed first FET and it's devastating. I have one more embryo left. On the bright side you have 5 and I'm sure one will work xx
I would ask for all the tests for implantation issues. I too had a miscarriage with my first pregnancy which was why they initially thought I didn't need any tests for implantation failure. I had to really push for them as they pushed back saying a) I had been pregnant before and b);it couldn't be an issue as I had already been pregnant once. I wish I had pushed harder as didn't get tests eventually until I insisted and they I was positive on the thrombotic risk profile test and later when I switched consultant for Natural Killer Cells. I have since read that you can get raised NK Cells from having a miscarriage. I also wonder (although there is no science behind this, just my personal feeling) that perhaps my body was confused because I didn't have a natural miscarriage, I had to have an operation to remove the dead baby as my body refused yo recognise that there was no heartbeat and continued producing the hormones and growing the placenta. Anyway, I would push for the Emma/Alice test, ERA, the thrombotic risk profile test and the Natura Killer Cells test and then to go onto the immune protocol (which can be run together with your usual protocol as it just includes steroids, low dose heparin and intra-lipid infusions) They can't possibly argue the not very good quality embryo thing with you given you actually had good quality embryos that were PGTA tested so they should be looking at what else is going on for you. All the best. I hope you get all the tests you need and your next transfer works out xx
Thank you. I had the thrombotic risk profile done just a few months ago.
Will ask about the other testing but already read an article on my clinics site about nk cell testing and doesnāt sound like they support it. But Iāll definitely ask.
Sorry to hear about your miscarriage experience. I had similar, missed miscarriage at 7 weeks and ended to having to have surgical removal 3 weeks later as was still testing positive. Such tough times. Xx
My precious girl is from my 6th transfer (all test normal) after I was told to get a surrogate by my clinic. I was so mad after they suggested that to me although I know they were only trying to present all options. I knew in my heart it would happen and it did. Sheās perfect. We have been trying again and have one left which will be the 11th transfer. I ask the Universe to please let it be our baby. It is a lot. Give your self credit. My demeanor throughout it all was to cry when needed and try to be kind to myself. It was hard to get that call over and over and over and over and over! Maybe my most important rule was this: Always find a story that ended up positive as the very last thing I read online. I allowed myself to read and research as much as I wanted but I always ended by finding a story that showed anything is possible. NEVER get into these websites and read stories that are negative and defeating and then shut off your phone and ruminate. My heart is with you. Most others can never understand what this is likeā¦ and I am glad for themā¦. but many of us do understand you on here. Continue ie to reach out for support. XOš
Thank you so much for your lovely reply. Congratulations on your daughter and I hope and pray your last embryo works.
Thatās such brilliant advice about reading positive things. There is so much out there on ivf and itās hard not to get bogged down with the negatives sometimes but thereās also lovely stories of hope! X
Iām sorry to hear about your failed transfer. I totally understand how frustrated you feel - Iāve had 6 failed transfers (8 embryos including with 1 donor egg transfer) & it really sucks.
The ladies above have given lots of helpful suggestions as to what you might want to do to improve your odds for the next cycle - definitely look into these. Thereās less evidence to support these add-ins but thatās because so the problems are so rare, itās difficult to get the funding and participants for good quality research into them. The lack of evidence doesnāt mean they wonāt work for you.
Not sure if this is helpful or not, but I think itās worth bearing in mind that youāre still within statistical probability of just being āunluckyā - thereās a 95% chance of it working after 3 euploid transfers. Given your first 4 transfers werenāt tested, itās still possible the next one will work. And I have everything crossed that your next one will be your sticky one š¤š¤
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