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My HbA1c reduced at last

barani19
barani19Star

Hi All,

I have been diagnosed T2D since Feb 2018. My HbA1c has reduced to 5.9 % from previous value of 6.2%(6 months ago). Some interesting points to note are the below.

1) My weight has increased by 700-800g

2) Had 2-3 spoons of palm sugar along with milk daily in the morning

3) Had around 6 spoons of honey with ceylon cinnamon powder daily

4) Had 1-2 dates almost daily as bed time snack

5) Had hand-pounded unpolished rice for 5-6 days in last 3 months though my staple food is Emmer wheat meal and Emmer wheat chapati.

In spite of all the above, my HbA1C reduced. The only thing which i never missed is daily 1 hour walk and never took stress.

Can we conclude that Emmer wheat has started doing its magic?

Please provide your thoughts.

P.S: I do not take any medicines

65 Replies
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1. There are many ]verities of palm sugar, which one do you take?

2. Excellent.

3. Wait for your one year test.

barani19
barani19Star in reply to sandybrown

sandybrown ,

Thanks for your response.

That's a very question. I buy a specific brand of palm sugar from pprfp (pprpf.org/Org/Intro.html).

Sure, let me wait for one year test.

Do you take medication?

barani19
barani19Star in reply to StillConcerned

StillConcerned,

I dont take any medicines for T2D.

Then, you have either reduced your carbohydrate intake, in which case the portions sizes of what you mention must be small, or you produced more insulin (which is not good for the longer term).

barani19
barani19Star in reply to StillConcerned

StillConcerned , I took the same carbs as before. I took Fasting Serum Insulin test along with HbA1C this time. It has reduced from 10 to 9.4 mu-IU/mL. So, my body did not produce more insulin as well.

The post-prandial insulin level must have risen to achieve a lower HbA1c for the same glycaemic load; we can't change the laws of biochemistry.

barani19
barani19Star in reply to StillConcerned

StillConcerned

Could you rephrase for clear understanding?

For HbA1c to lower, the blood must be exposed to less sugar. This can only be achieved by increasing the amount of insulin produced after a meal (a negative factor), or by reducing the amount of sugar the body is exposed to, measured by glycaemic-load (GL). The GL is measured by the rate of absorption of a carbohydrate (Gi) multiplied by the amount of carbohydrate available from digestion, divided by 100.

The only way one carbohydrate can lower GL is to be of a lower Gi than a carbohydrate it replaces and/or lowering the amount of carbohydrate eaten.

barani19
barani19Star in reply to StillConcerned

Thanks for the detailed explanation StillConcerned.

Is there a standard way to measure post-prandial insulin?

It is very rare ses.library.usyd.edu.au/bit...

Activity2004
Activity2004Administrator

Hi barani19,

Congratulations on lowering your A1c! That’s fantastic news!😀👍🌈 I’m proud of you!😀👍 Keep up the hard work.😀👍👍

barani19
barani19Star in reply to Activity2004

Thanks for the encouragement Leah. Let me see how much i can lower in next one year. I would be happy even if i maintain the same levels.

Activity2004
Activity2004Administrator in reply to barani19

That’s great! Staying the same is a good thing— along with going down slightly. Can’t wait to hear how it goes.😀👍🌈

barani19
barani19Star in reply to Activity2004

Leah, Thanks again for the encouragement. I'm planning to repeat this test next year. I will keep you posted.

Activity2004
Activity2004Administrator in reply to barani19

Thank you! My doctor is going to give me my results on Monday morning next week.😀👍🌈

barani19
barani19Star in reply to Activity2004

All the best to you as well. I hope the results match your expectations.

very good results. keep it up.

barani19
barani19Star in reply to soni1

Thanks soni1

Excellent. I would attribute greatly to your 1 hr walk. That helps a lot. I also do 1 hr - 8000 steps - 4 miles everyday and if possible 3 stairs! I am on medication but my Hba1c at 6.2.

barani19
barani19Star in reply to mohan1212

mohan1212 ,

Thanks for your response. As my HbA1c has reduced without change in physical activity( i do 1 hour walk almost daily for last 2-3 years) and no major changes in my diet, i have a guess long wheat has an impact.

seemap
seemap in reply to barani19

Yesss... I too have experienced positive effects of emmer wheat . It Works upto an extent. Its my experience.

soni1
soni1 in reply to seemap

wht diet do you follow now? are you medicine free? what is your latest hba1c?

seemap
seemap in reply to soni1

My recent HBA1c was 6.2. Very minimal dose. But I dont follow much diet restrictions.

Sir what is your age

Mohannandigana1952 sir, My age is 39.

Stress may be major factor inT2D occurrence as well as management, which is often neglected. Congrats for your good number. Be healthy and Keep guiding and motivating others.

barani19
barani19Star in reply to don9999

Sure. Thanks don9999 . I will continue sharing my experience with others so that everyone gets benefited. As the Sanskrit saying goes, "Vasudaiva Kutumbakam", meaning the whole world is our family, i truly think this forum is my family to share anything and everything related to T2D.

Emmer wheat is very good. Apart from walking, you can do some stretching exercises/yoga also. And include millets like kambu/pearl millet and all the meals should include veggies

barani19
barani19Star in reply to mistidahi

Thanks for the suggestion mistidahi. We eat siru dhanyam once in a while. Nowadays, we have started using them in idli batter(ragi) and for preparing adai (kambu/pearl millet).

On the exercise front, i have started doing Suryanamaskara and play badminton, table tennis, play with kids, etc

mistidahi
mistidahi in reply to barani19

Also include microgreens, I include fenugreek microgreens daily in chappati. Other microgreens in salads. The emmer wheat is samba wheat right. Where do buy it? I buy grains from organic store which is not very fresh. Do you buy directly from farmer. If you have any contacts pls share

barani19
barani19Star in reply to mistidahi

mistidahi,

I have started using fenugreek greens with my chapati these days. I use to add dried fenugreek leaves some months ago. Yes. you are right. Emmer wheat is called Samba Godumai in Tamil. I buy it online. Will share the details in chat.

Congrats first. Maintain this.marginal weight gain is nothing.Your walking is the reason.Do not take honey instead take cinnamon tea.Dates has fibre so no problems .keep informed in this.My best wishes are for you

barani19
barani19Star in reply to makarim

Thanks a lot for your wishes makarim. Let me try cinnamon tea. Thanks for your suggestion.

Thanks a lot.

Great results Barani. I think even maintaining this for the next year would be excellent. Keep it up 👍😄

barani19
barani19Star in reply to prashantr

Thanks for the encouragement prashantr. How are you doing these days? Did you do any blood test of late?

prashantr
prashantr in reply to barani19

I am doing good. Getting back on track for 10K running. Unfortunately stuck in same place for 6 months where can’t get all tests done. Still not taking any drugs for DM, maintaining through home BG monitor.

barani19
barani19Star in reply to prashantr

prashantr , Awesome. Nice to hear that you are planning to participate in 10K run.

prashantr
prashantr in reply to barani19

Thanks Barani. Do you run too?

barani19
barani19Star in reply to prashantr

No prashantrI love walking and some times I walk for 15 to 20 Kms. I do cycling for 10-15 Kms once in a week with my kid.

prashantr
prashantr in reply to barani19

Great! Keep it up 👍

Encouraging dear. Wish your further improvement. Where can I get best emmer wheat? What should be the quantity we should consume?

barani19
barani19Star in reply to Sheelrc

Thanks a lot for your wishes Sheelrc . I will provide the required information in personal chat.

namaha
namahaAdministrator

Dear Barani

Please Keep it up...keep doing what you are doing... and keep eating what you are eating....i know you are taking a lot of Carbs ... yes - many people are able to reverse DM even with a High Carb diet.... as long as it is Whole Grain / legume/ vegetables/ fruits/ dry fruits like dates, palm sugar, honey ....Emer wheat... Why not Mappialli Samba ( Bridegroom red rice- Tamilnadu ) ??? Mappialli Samba would exactly work like Emmer wheat.

You need not have to go extremities and resort to any fad diet which are not scientifically proven over long term......

In fact newer research indicates that whole Plant food though rich in Carbs & Protein have a lot of fiber both Soluble & Insoluble , Micronutrients , Vitamins , Minerals, Anti- oxidants , phyto-nutrients, which help in improving insulin sensitivity and reversing insulin resistance .... Preventing CV risk and diabetic complications .

masteringdiabetes.org/high-...

masteringdiabetes.org/type2...

May God bless you...

No-one reduces HbA1c by eating a lot of carbs without medication, and it progressively worsening.

An extreme diet is one that provides too much or too little of something by definition. When the body has an excess of blood glucose, the last thing it needs is more carbohydrate that is all converted to sugar in the body, whether it is fruit, whole-grain, pulses...

It's very difficult to say there isn't scientific evidence for a hunter-gatherer diet for instance, because everyone ate like that pre-agriculture. Surely that is preferable to a diet we know the expectation is to worsen? My brother-in-law passed away in the summer from major-organ failure; a type 2 that followed a diet of whole-grains and fruit, attempting to satisfy a specific insulin regime.

Do we not find it remotely audacious that reducing carb intake is overlooked because it 'might' be dangerous in the longer term (without evidence to support the hypothesis) when faced with such stark evidence that high-carb, medicated diets are proven to be dangerous?

It's true there has been a concerted effort to discard anything, and ignore evidence that that does not support mainstream, for over half a century.

God bless you.

barani19
barani19Star in reply to namaha

namaha ,

Thanks for your guidance and help as well.

I did try Mapillai Samba rice. It does not boil well as you may need to soak this rice for almost 24 hours before you boil it in a pressure cooker. Another important thing is that it does not go well with traditional south Indian meal like Sambar, Rasam, etc. Hand pounded organic Ponni rice suits me better. I have started having this rice once or twice in a week. I found PPBS of identical quantity of this rice perform better than emmer wheat. My PPBS with this rice(around 80g-100g) was 88 mg/dL whereas with emmer wheat my PPBS was around 100-110 mg/dL. Ponni rice is economical as well (1 kg costs around Rs. 70-75) whereas Mappillai Samba costs around Rs.200-250 per kg.

Also, my father-in-law who is a T2D for more than 15 years had hand-pounded Sona Masoori[similar to Ponni, available in Karnataka, Tamil Nadu] rice along with traditional south Indian meal and found his PPBS to be around 150 mg/dL without his usual Metmorfin tablet. He was delighted to see these results.

namaha
namahaAdministrator in reply to barani19

Thanks Barani !

You are giving me a lot of information which I am very much familiar with...🙂

Ponni, Sonamsuri Rice I love a lot....have taken during engineering college days in Tamilnadu....

But now we all are Re-discovering those traditional Rice in different forms .....Organic / Brown/Red / Hand pounded ...etc

By the way , you seem to have tried many things....🙂

Can you please get me the link to buy on line- hand pounded variety of Organic Ponni / Sona masuri Rice ..?

Also source of your palm sugar ....?

Regarding Mappialli Samba, which I got from Amazon - I liked though the cost is high @Rs300/ kg...for the organic variety ...

I did not find an issue in cooking..

I soaked overnight and next morning I pressure cooked- food was ready within 30 mnts.....

barani19
barani19Star in reply to namaha

namaha ,

Good to know that you are familiar with the varieties of the rice I spoke about.

I have shared information about palm sugar and the link of buying Organic ponni rice online in chat.

Good to hear that you are able to use Mappillai Samba rice.

Also, I buy specific brand of dates from Kashmir which are diffrent from the commercial sugar coated dates. The same is applicable for honey as well. I buy it from a local online store who source it from Nilgiris.

soni1
soni1 in reply to barani19

youtu.be/50wN_Zrdj8o

pls cook rice in earthen vessels to get the best anti inflammatory benefit..Try karuppu kavani rice too.

barani19
barani19Star in reply to soni1

Thanks for your suggestion and video soni1. Karuppu Kavuni is very similar to mappillai samba and you need to soak in water for some hours before cooking. We have bought authentic earthen vessels from Wayanad, Kerala as we found some of the earthen vessels are actually made in concrete and painted as red. Thanks for your suggestion on this one as well.

soni1
soni1 in reply to barani19

The best earthen vessel is available in manipur, but very expensive.

barani19
barani19Star in reply to soni1

thanks for the information soni1. Can I buy them online? If yes, can you please share the information in private chat?

soni1
soni1 in reply to barani19

sure, will get in touch with you after sometime.

soni1
soni1 in reply to barani19

100gms of cooked rice? or do u cook 100gms of raw rice? does it fill your stomach?

barani19
barani19Star in reply to soni1

soni1 , it is approx. 100g of cooked rice. With 2-3 spoons of Ghee and vegetables, it does fill my stomach.

All,

Rice cooking, different rice in different production!!!

In Tamil population , lunch time always three or four helping of cooked rice.

First, rice take with raw or cooked greens.

Second helping taken with curry in one for other.

Third with rasam or sooty.

In my younger days the above three were practiced. My uncle used to say eat rice quickly like a mason covering a wall with cement!!!!!,

Fourth in some time rice taken with yogurt.

Over the years it has changed as people eat less rice. My travels in India, I learned a lot of local food habit. When I ask for small portion of rice and lot of curries and ask for more curry, I ended up ordering a second meal.

In UK, we cook white basmati rice in rice cooker, one rice cooker cup cooked in 2 cups of tap water, enough for two people for evening meal. The last 50 years we have been doing this way and only eat twice a week rice meal, a lot of veg, fish or chicken or lamb curry.

Good luck all, enjoy one life. say no to additional rice and any form of sugar,

namaha
namahaAdministrator

There is a fifth serving - Rice Sambar 😀

sandybrown
sandybrown in reply to namaha

We get Sambar rice in the temples in UK.

barani19
barani19Star in reply to sandybrown

Awesome to hear that sandybrown. I feel heavy eating sambar rice.

barani19
barani19Star in reply to namaha

namaha ,

The below are the usual order in south Indian servings [TN style].

The entire course starts with Paayasam, a sweet.

1) Rice with Dal [ can be classified as half-course]

2) Rice with Sambar along with vegetables[curry with coconut], koottu [with dal and other spices]

3) Rice with Vattha Kozhambu [ curry & with papad]

4) Rice with Rasam [ with urad papad]

5) Rice with buttermilk or curd with pickle

Rice cooked and uncooked measurement. ??

WE only use rice cooker measurement cup, one cup of basmati rice, uncooked rice and two cups of cold water makes enough rice for two people in a small rice cooker.

I can measure this next time but how important is this? We have been doing this method for many years.

I have been looking at other grain rice, I need to go to a Sri Lankan shop to but, Thani rice, Samba rice and Kurukan rice. I can also but flower to make ediappam and puddo.

soni1
soni1 in reply to sandybrown

what is your pp value with that quantity of rice?

StillConcerned
StillConcerned in reply to soni1

Great question. The carbohydrate breaks down to glucose whatever the source. All this emphasis on eating different grains and rice may help the supplier in the short-term, but the long-term consequences to everyone's health are terrible.

Why do we think the amount of people with diabetes is continuing to increase? We've moved away from a 'balanced' way of eating by listening to the nonsense about avoiding ghee and full-fat dairy to 'lean' protein and carbohydrates that demand higher amounts of insulin than is good for us; the number of people's bodies that cannot cope is getting ever larger.

Mainstream cannot admit they've been giving misleading information for so many years; they have too much finance invested in the status quo. All the years of suffering, and in some cases unnecessary death that they would be accountable for.

Instead, people change from added sugars to grains, pulses and fruit, with brief if any improvement; the longer-term expectations are to worsen because these foods are still too much sugar for our body to cope with.

sandybrown
sandybrown in reply to soni1

In UK, under the control of NHS, I test HbA1C every 6 months. I am controlling my HbA1C number and cholesterol number by regular exercise and food and drinks in take control. At my age I am happy with twice a year HbA1c check, cholesterol check, once a year eye and foot check. Only time will tell. My strong belief is all blood numbers increase as we age.

Take care.

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