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I love these unknown facts to be known by the people unknown in this forum!

Diabetes sucks!

Okay! I have found no scientific documents stating this, it is just my own observation!

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cant be reversed????? :O:O

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Cure

You all who think diabetes can be reversed are highly hopeful about reversing it. But on this forum only, I read one of the profile of a diabetic which says he dealt with his diabetes for 10 years with diet and no medicines but now after 10 years he has to take medicines and shots both!

It is same as somebody is hopeful of getting Cancer cured. Cancer can happen again even if once or twice or thrice...treated successfully...and mostly it happens after years...it recurs....

Here it is...it is Sir Rajivrao's profile...

I am now 83 plus I was diagnosed as diabetic at age of 35.I managed without drugs for ten yearsand with oral drugs fr another three years..I have stopped oral drugs at the age of 48 years and taking now only insulin.12 units before brfast and 8 units before dinner My fasting bsl is around 95/100 .ppbsl goes up to 135/145/depending upon walking and other dietary matters. I am a vegetarian by birth and by choice and do not indulge in fad diet ,,oily food etc.,.I believe in exercise ,frugal balanced meal and in medical advse.I do not have any kind of complications associated with diabetes and doctors find my health very good I get my health checked up once in 6 months.My latest HBAIc figure was 5.7

Is the above case where he managed diabetes without medicines is called he reversed diabetes for 10 years and then got it again?....

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This person on no medicines for 10 years... Did he mention what was his sugar levels... For those 10 years

..?

That person may have avoided pills and kept his levels a bit high leading to beta cell destruction..

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One more here....

healthunlocked.com/diabetes...

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cureAdministratorโ€ข in reply toAshka9

here is one profile says....

An Engineer from one of the IIT's.

My Diabetes history:

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NIDDM Since Feb 2011. Dx'd with PPBS 229 FBS 129.

All control by lifestyle changes involving Restricted Carb High fat diet. No prescription drugs so far. ADA/AMA/AHA's High Carb Low fat Diet is the worst diet for a diabetic.

My A1C

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May 2011-5.0

Nov 2011 - 6.0

Feb 2012 - 5.2

Sep 2013 - 5.6

Switch to Low Carb High FAT diet and enjoy life as a diabetic and surprise your doctor who will always want you to eat more carbs so that the medicines sell :)

FAT is good .... CARBS is dangerous.

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alwaysoptimisticโ€ข in reply tocure

From another profile:I hail from an agricultural village (Kottanelloor near Irinjalakuda of Thrissur of Keralam of India) family. Worked in software development, testing, execution & analysis for rocket & satellite applications. Have Master's degree in Mathematics.

Both my parents were diabetic from MY young age & till their death. I was knowing & have done Urine sugar test with Benedict's solution for my parents as early as the 1950's.

I was all the more careful to avoid becoming diabetic. Even then it caught me in 2006. My cardiologist prescribed Amaryl.

I was knowing a cure for diabetes. With his consent & without starting medication implemented my special regimen & GOT CURED OF DIABETES BY THE YEAR 2009.

TAKING MEDICINES ALONE WILL NOT BRING DOWN BLOOD SUGAR ALWAYS. YOU HAVE TO CHANGE YOUR FOOD HABITS & LIFE STYLE ALSO TEMPORARILY TILL CURE.

I was diabetic from 2006; but NOT diabetic from 2009. I studied Diabetes thoroughly, because it was to solve MY problem.

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alwaysoptimistic

May I know what is his diet and lifestyle that he didn't get recurrence of diabetes without medicines?

And acc to me, he can get again anytime in life....no surity that it will not recur...

He has used the word "cure" but all over the world even experts says that diabetes cannot be cured...would you believe all those people and expert technical people with medicine background or just trust one person above who has temporarily managed diabetes without medication?

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alwaysoptimisticโ€ข in reply toAshka9

Ashka9 ,According to him-He is on normal diet and he does not use medicines for diabetes.You can view his profile:

healthunlocked.com/user/sho...

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rameshraoโ€ข in reply toalwaysoptimistic

Hi, alwaysoptimistic, please clear doubt .

I was knowing the cure ,what does it mean .

Implimented my special regimen , Details of regimen .

got cured how.

got DM in 2006 and cured in 2009 but non diabetic from 2009, what does it mean . and at what age

Ramesh Rao

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alwaysoptimisticโ€ข in reply torameshrao

Only ShooterGeorge can answer these questions.Is not it?

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Aaarkeโ€ข in reply toalwaysoptimistic

What was the cure

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care.diabetesjournals.org/c...

Which says....

.........consensus group comprised of experts in pediatric and adult endocrinology, diabetes education, transplantation, metabolism, bariatric/metabolic surgery, and (for another perspective) hematology-oncology met in June 2009 to discuss these issues.

..........For a chronic illness such as diabetes, it may be more accurate to use the term remission than cure. Current or potential future therapies for type 1 or type 2 diabetes will likely always leave patients at risk for relapse, given underlying pathophysiologic abnormalities and/or genetic predisposition. However, terminology such as โ€œprolonged remissionโ€ is probably less satisfactory to patients than use of the more hopeful and definitive term โ€œcureโ€ after some period of time has elapsed. Additionally, if cure means remission that lasts for a lifetime, then by definition a patient could never be considered cured while still alive. Hence, it may make sense operationally to consider prolonged remission of diabetes essentially equivalent to cure. This is analogous to certain cancers, where cure is defined as complete remission of sufficient duration that the future risk of recurrence is felt to be very low.

.........Partial remission is sub-diabetic hyperglycemia (A1C not diagnostic of diabetes [<6.5%], fasting glucose 100โ€“125 mg/dl [5.6โ€“6.9 mmol/l]) of at least 1 year's duration in the absence of active pharmacologic therapy or ongoing procedures.

Complete remission is a return to โ€œnormalโ€ measures of glucose metabolism (A1C in the normal range, fasting glucose <100 mg/dl [5.6 mmol/l]) of at least 1 year's duration in the absence of active pharmacologic therapy or ongoing procedures.

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Ashka9โ€ข in reply tocure

Cure

Now, what is all this? Partial remission is sub diabetic hyperglycemia and complete remission for 1 year? so it is temporary and not completely cured though you may use that term reversed or cured whatever u like...it can recur again...

using different words doesn't matter...point is DIABETES CANNOT BE REVERSED FOR LIFETIME OR CURED FOREVER!

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cureAdministratorโ€ข in reply toAshka9

it is same....like if you undergo bypass surgery....you are not expected to run marathon again in life time....

What do u think after open heart surgery patient gets cured??? or in your opinion what you can call about his condition???

Same way...once u become diabetic...you can remain in non diabetic range with your diet(without medication)

However,you are not expected to drink coca cola...eat pizza...and other high carb food.

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hnn....so u r all just controlling "symptom" of diabetes by controlling blood sugar levels in nondiabetic range with the help of strict and restricted diet!

"diabetes" doesn't get cured at all....so it is called diabetes management and not reversal or remission or whatever u like to use the word.

Even though u might be controlling yr bs levels in non diabetic range for few years without medicines, risk...100% risk is always there that you have to start medicines again and eventually resort to insulin shots if required. If you are lucky enough....medicines will do....so temporary diabetes management with diet is not the permanent solution at all. So, using word like reversal or remission doesn't matter at all. No meaning of these words according to me.

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Guess yes.... cause this means I have not regained control back....

But at the same time....I can say...that normal FBS is really a strong marker of regaining sugar control....

About ur beta cells death...I would like to draw ur attention to the fact that DPP4 blockers works only and only when ur beta cells are functioning...in case of death DPP4 blockers won't work....

And every diabetic is prescribed DPP4 blocker.... is it not showing that they have just dysfunctional beta cells???Or may be some imbalance in incertin ????

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Ashka9โ€ข in reply tocure

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blood sugar control is controlling the symptom not disease...disease is IR

retaining beta cells functions with whatever method you can...may delay taking insulin shots..

DPP4 blockers work only when beta cells are functioning then how come u say prescribing DPP4 blocker shows that beta cells are just dysfunctional and not dead or it will work?

imbalance in what? incertin?

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cureAdministratorโ€ข in reply toAshka9

request to read more about DPP4 blockers...istamet...and GLP1....may be some extra reading on Victoza....

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Ashka9

no surprise. I have repeatedly said here that our bcf deteriorates all through our lives. The extent and pace of bcf deterioration is different in different individuals. So even if you have reversed your D you have to take care of your diet and keep checking frequently to know the status of your D.

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Diabetes can not be reversed

What we say for good/excellent control ?

Type 2 diabetes is insulin resistant

Type 2 diabetic can be insulin sensitive and deficient.

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Ashka9โ€ข in reply toshrisamarth

shrisamarth...

The fact is diabetes cannot be reversed no matter to what extent you exercise excellent control by diet and or exercise. It can recur again because you have already been insulin resistant since long....and it is not going to be cured. Insulin resistance is just reverse of insulin sensitivity. It is the same thing...A person is insulin resistant is because Insulin sensitivity has decreased. Initially, it is hyperinsulinemia but as the disease progresses and beta cells of pancreas die...BCF keeps on decreasing and then you become insulin deficient.

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cureAdministratorโ€ข in reply toAshka9

And what id BCF gets improved???

I can show you one report where BCF improved after strict dietary restrictions...

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BCF improvement may be temporary as can be seen by an example of Sir Rajivrao who was managing diabetes without medicines with exercise and balanced diet....for 10 years and then on pills for 3 yrs and then now on insulin shots. Does that mean he reversed diabetes for 10 years by diet and exercise?

Strict dietary restrictions may not be possible for all for lifetime...so just be practical....

Just an example....one of my cousin mama...died of heart failure due to cholesterol....even after following strict diet of only boiled vegetables and walking for one hour daily! It is just a myth that diet cures diseases...it can just control symptoms of disease but not disease itself.

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Heart failure is not due to cholesterol

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Ashka9

"died of heart failure due to cholesterol."

Would you please explain ?

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Suramo

I know people say cholesterol is not responsible for blockage in heart.

But cholesterol ...high cholesterol....forms plaque...doesn't it?

I read full article on it how cholesterol, WBC and calcium together form a plague...I couldn't find that same article now...but I found the below one...

Atherosclerosis is caused by macrophage white blood cells and fat that accumulate in arteries - the white blood cells are originally sent by the body's immune system to clean up LDL cholesterol pockets.

When they stick to an artery they secrete a molecule called netrin-1, this stops normal migration of the macrophages out of the arteries. As a result, what you have left is a mixture of clumped up cholesterol pockets and white blood cells, this is the plaque that can disrupt blood flow.

Areas of the artery that are damaged are likely to have plaque build up which can eventually break open. When the plaque breaks open, blood cell fragments called thrombocytes (or platelets) accumulate at the affected area. These fragments can then stick together, forming blood clots.

medicalnewstoday.com/articl...

โ€ข in reply toAshka9

Why does the lipids stick

No one is answering it

Inflammation is the root cause

This inflammation is caused by pufa loaded oils, sugars and high levels of carbohydrates especially refined carbs

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Hidden

Very right. Carbs are the root cause of inflammation. Cholesterol et al come to repair the damage.

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Suramo, Shashikantiyengar

You are true that root cause is inflammation.

But mostly all people eat high carbs....all do not get inflammation or diabetes....is high carbs only the cause of inflammation?

โ€ข in reply tosuramo

Firemen getting the blame

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Suramo, Shashikantiyengar

See...Suramo is very sure that 'GENES' are responsible for diabetes....so I just wish to confirm what is the reason of inflammation...carbs or genes?

โ€ข in reply toAshka9

We all have the "diabetes" genes in us

It just waits for a while trigger

Could be anything

Diet, stress or just any thing

Now the solution is low carbs

It's proven in many small but brushed aside from trials that pufa loaded oils, sugars and refined carbs are responsible for the inflammation

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Shashikantiyengar

You are absolutely right....oil, sugar and refined flours are worst enemies of our health not just for causing diabetes but lot of other health complications....

but then why all people who eat high carbs don't get diabetes though as you say we all have the "diabetes" genes in us? may be just because they are happier in their lives and don't go under stress at all?

โ€ข in reply toAshka9

Unfortunately human body is not a calculator

So cannot be predicted

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Ashka9

๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ˜Š. You always try to emphasise that stress is the cause of D. Sorry. Stress may contribute to D but to a minor extent.

Good oils help control D by its antiinflammatory properties.

All those who eat high carbs do not have D genes. So don't develop D. On the other side who have D genes develop D sooner or later even if on low carb diet. Not an exact example but all those who smoke or chew tobacco don't get cancer. But t2d has a definite genetic cause and all those with defective genes do develop ir and bcf. To what extent and when is stored as a script written in genes.

I agree with Hidden that we all the D have defective genes.

โ€ข in reply tosuramo

Personally i do not think of finding the root cause of Diabetes

Its a sheer waste of time.

I keep thinking as to how to tackle this Diabetes now that i got it.

This will at least lead to a life with less complications in future..

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Hidden

Yes but finding the root cause is also important as if the root cause is treatable we can get rid of the disease. At present genes can't be changed but in future engineered babies would get rid of all the genetic diseases like D, thalassemia and many more.

โ€ข in reply tosuramo

May be for scientists.. yes for future generations..

for us once damaged may not get it back

So best is we don't rack our head on the root cause & get on with life

This is my stand..

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Hidden

Oh yes. Our priority should be to reverse our D rather than finding the root cause.

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Suramo

This post is about 'FACTS OF DIABETES' and one of the facts is "DIABETES CANNOT BE CURED" and "DIABETES CANNOT BE REVERSED":-)

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Ashka9

There is no explanation but it's observed that high gi carbs are associated with high crp and inflammation as compared to low gi carbs. Some relation between bs fluctuations and inflammation.

Also it's been observed that patients of fibromyalgia which is a severe inflammatory condition of muscles get cured when they take ultra low carb diet.

Exact pathogenesis by carbs is not known to us.

But in D we produce lots of ros because of unmetabolised sugar. These ros are toxic substances and can't be oxidised fully. They set in inflammatary process.

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Suramo

I believe when you say BS fluctuation may set in inflammation process but I read it's due to deposition of fat in cells which lead to inflammation...leading to IR...eventually. Though, blood sugar spikes and fall with high GI food items is not good not only for diabetics but also for normal people. I believe in concept of low GI and low GL as well....it helps..

Patients of fibromyalgia basically can benefit from Vit. B12 supplements regularly in enough doses...all neurological problems are because of severe Vit. B12 deficiency...right?

ROS...means REACTIVE OXYGEN SPECIES? don't know much about them...but see in D everything happens because of impaired glucose metabolism...which is due to IR....which according to me develops due to inflammation caused by deposit of fat cells in organs...which is again due to hyperinsulinemia.....so it is a vicious circle according to me once IR...sets in...

But we have seen people like Shrisamarth also who is Insulin deficient and not Insulin resistant but having D...

If we don't go in detail, try to eat healthy, exercise atleast 3 days a week for an hour, remain active and just relax...don't stress yourself unless it is inevitable in certain situations.

People who prefer LCHF mostly are those who don't like to exercise and wish to deal with D with only diet....I know diet is very very important but exercise is equally important....not only exercise for just an hour a day...stay active and yr HbA1c would be under control overall....believe me...if you can..

I am not working at present and my HbA1c has risen a little than for about 2 years ...it was always 6.1 before....and now 6.3...no exercise...being inactive...very bad...

I will post my HbA1c result tomorrow...and then after starting exercise....and job....would measure it again and would let you know....ask any doctor and they would recommend to do physical activity for every diabetic compulsorily.....no choice!:-)

Meanwhile, I would like to monitor effect of various foods I eat on daily basis on my BS levels...so that I can avoid those foods which raise my BS....it is as simple as that....BS is only symptom which has to be controlled to avoid complications of D....

No need to complicate life any more....:-)

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Ashka9

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Kya mere bhai ๐Ÿ’๐Ÿ’

Whenever there is inflammation platelets and other defence cells like macrophases etc gather there. So many chemicals released there. The chemotaxic effect bring all the repair mechanism at the site of inflammation to seal the site. Please refer to the mechanism of inflammation. Calcification is the ultimate step to seal the site if inflammatory process continues unabated.

โ€ข in reply tosuramo

But still only Cholesterol is blamed..

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Hidden

Yes. That's what's seen and that's why - because of this wrong interpretation the fats were held culprits and the people were advised to take less fats and fat free diet.

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Suramo,

I don't think anybody sane person would advise fat free diet....not possible to follow at all...lot of macro and micro nutrients absorbs in presence of fat.....what about all fat soluble vitamins and minerals?

We have been using ghee, butter, cheese, paneer....daily in our diets since ages....after delivery of a child, mother in law always gives ladoos of fenugreeks seeds flour with lots of loaded ghee to her daughter in law....all cultural diet habits are healthy according to me...don't go in detail of PUFA, MUFA and saturated fat etc...just be informed...that processed foods with trans fat and refined floors are not good and we just never eat that...as such...

don't eat friend snacks much....that's it....so ofcourse some fat is bad which should be avoided....

u can fry yr purees in ghee....we do it in fasts which girls and women do in our culture...

u can eat fried pakodaas also....we call methi naa gota...so healthy in winters especially! Besan is lowest on GI....no effect on blood sugar at all with fenugreek leaves added which lowers blood sugar and oil is also good to eat once in a while....

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Ashka9

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Ashka9

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Ashka9

the world is full of insane people. Still the dietitians and endo docs say that fat is bad and should be avoided. Yes. They still advice fat free diet and supplement ADEK fat soluble vitamins. Still they fear SFs and scare the people. Still they say ground nut oil is the best and coconut oil The worst. Still they advice against pure ghee.๐Ÿ’๐Ÿ’๐Ÿ’๐Ÿ’

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cureAdministratorโ€ข in reply tosuramo

Not only doctors....but family members also make worried face....

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cure

Yes. First strong resistance comes from family members. We have to convince them first.

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Ashka9โ€ข in reply tosuramo

SFs to be taken in moderation. So, ghee has to be used in moderation. For cooking, we have to use groundnut oil since it contains all MUFA, PUFA etc. Peanut oil has very good lipid profile. It has saturated, monounsaturated and polyunsaturated (SFA: MUFA: PUFA= 18: 49: 33) fats in healthy proportions. Just don't eat too much fried items. That's all.

Everybody or common man in this country can't afford VCO for everday cooking.

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Ashka9

i beg to differ.

1) please specify the meaning of moderation .

2) there is coconut oil similar to vco at a price almost at par with groundnut oil.

3) we have to cut down carbs to the extent we can assimilate. 56% of Prots too are converted to carb. So we recommend 60:20:20 f:c:p. Now remains the fat to compensate for caloric requirement. Good fats like co, vco, evoo,cow ghee, palm kernel oil, mct and sesame oil are the best. Mustard oil also is good to some extent. One can take pure ghee - made by fermentation to a great extent.

Madam first study the facts or you will make mistakes ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿ™๐Ÿ™๐Ÿ™๐Ÿ™

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Ashka9โ€ข in reply tosuramo

healthunlocked.com/drwfdiab...

Too much of everything or anything is harmful. Too much saturated fats as in CO/VCO etc. may be detrimental to health in long run. I have not found any long term effects of LCHF diet or any studies about it so far.

Moderate means moderate. Not less and Not more. Everybody understands the meaning of moderate. Hope you too.

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Ashka9

no. You have to clarify moderate by quoting numbers.

I'd again urge you to study about sfs we are talking about. We in lchf diet recommend 60% of our caloric requirement to come from good fats. Co vco contain mct which is not harmful. If you know what harm these good fats do please let me know the nature of harm. Please tell me what detriment to health occurs.

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healthunlocked.com/drwfdiab...

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@Cure

bcf can improve if IR becomes less.

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cureAdministratorโ€ข in reply tosuramo

suramo very correct....and cause of IR is hyperinsulinemia.. only safe option to address this is to keep insulin level low.... on other hands give rest to already tired beta cells.....

And therefore low carb is only hope....safe and logical approch...

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cure

Bade bhaiya. ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿ™.

Ir and bcf are two sides of one coin. As per the present knowledge ir comes first due to genetic defect. Beta cells try to overcome ir by producing more insulin. Ultimately bc give up. So logical sequence is ir > hyperinsulinemia > disturbed gtt > bc give up > basal insulin secretion very low > high fbs which is difficult to control. So high fbs suggest that bcf is so low that they fail to secrete enough insulin at rest / night. During day if the diet is properly managed ppbs can be under control.

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Reversal is not cure.

beta cells of pancreas die.

Not necessarily. They may become dysfunctional.

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Shrisamarth

Don't always go by words....playing with words is a game and all games are a waste of time! When cells become dysfunctional...means they died...

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dysfunctional...means they died

No.

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shrisamarth

You mean to say, if dysfunctional doesn't mean they died..then may be you wish to hope that beta cells which became dysfunctional can become functional again...by diet and exercise and or medicines?

Can a dead person be alive?

In brain stroke...once the brain cells die due to blockage in blood flow...cells of brain die...they are called infarct...dead cells and they never become live again...that is why though recovery of a paralytic person may be possible partially due to extent of damage to cells...recovery is never 100%....just an example...

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Dysfunction means they are not functioning properly not dead.

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@Shri..

You can be cured by stem cell therapy.

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เคธเฅ‹เคšเฅ‡เค‚เค—เฅ‡.

What is the success rate at the hospital you mentioned. On their site they have mentioned about 25 type 1 diabetics and 2 type 2 .

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shrisamarth

For your queries you have to contact the doctors there. I have no idea. But they are charging less and the director dr trivedi is a dedicated person. He was amongst top 10 tax payers in Canada. He came back to india many years back and struggled a lot to establish IKD. No help from the government. So i trust that man and that institute. You can try.

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Shrisamarth

Your insulin sensitivity is good and you are managing your diabetes without medicine though you are insulin deficient....so you are neither Type 1 or type 2 I suppose....are you 1.5 Type diabetes called LADA?

Latent autoimmune diabetes of adults (LADA), often also late-onset autoimmune diabetes of adulthood or aging, slow onset type 1 diabetes or diabetes type 1.5 is a form of diabetes mellitus type 1 that occurs in adults, often with a slower course of onset.

By the way, how you are managing your diabetes without medicines or insulin so to say....oral medicines are not going to help I suppose in your case...so without sufficient insulin, how do you digest the food you ingest? Are you zero carbs or very low carbs?

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I am diabetic for more than 4 years. Considering LADA,AFAIK it is difficult to manage diabetes without medicines.

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arunkumar is 20 years of diabetic with poor BS control til last year when he switched to truncated diet and now his BS levels are in non diabetic range with very good BCF. His beta cells started functioning again. :)

He will elaborate more.

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shrisamarth

Or he could overcome his ir and so insulin became effective again. Can you please share his reports ?

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he could overcome his ir and so insulin became effective again

Possible.

I don't know about his insulin report.

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concerned

don't u think meat also contains bad fat?

if it is true that veg diet isn't healthy, then all non-vegetarians shouldn't be getting diabetes, hypertension or heart disease at all?

how funny?

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anup

ok if it is true what you say....and if BCF can be improved with diet (meaning beta cells were not dead and were only dysfunctional means which can function again)....and IR can be improved....let me know after 6 years what is yr BCF and IR and what was before 6 yrs?

I wish to confirm that LCHF diet has improved BCF and IR...let us start with your data...with lab reports...what is yr fasting insulin now and what was before 6 years...when you started yr LCHF?

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cureAdministratorโ€ข in reply toAshka9

hmmmm Ashka9 what is method to check IR and BCF ????

if you take TG/HDL as marker of IR... then u can check the same from my reports that I am becoming more insulin sensitive...

and as i become sensitive.... my Hba1c improves...

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Cure

It's the same method that you gave me...Homa 2 calculator...is may be more accurate than TG/HDL....

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yes homa...but again....we must keep in mind...that those calculator just shows BCF secretion....not beta cells health...

But surely if person is not on SU or any such drugs...and IR remains same...we can presume that his beta cells are working back again...

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Ashka9โ€ข in reply tocure

Cure

Point No. 1 If BCF Secretion is normal, it means beta cells health is ok or normal...right?

Point No. 2 If somebody is taking SU with Metformin, how can it affect IR?

Point No. 3 what does it mean when you say "IR remains same...meaning before and after what?

Point No. 4...I think Homa 2 calculator is made considering many factors other than TG/HDL ratio.....so it can be considered to be more accurate than TG/HDL ratio....right?

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I accept all the above facts except for the fact that "There is no cure for Diabetes". It is the end of the road. Somewhere in the Universe lies the solution to the problem. It is just that we have not been able to discover it. As of now, yes we have not been able to find a cure to Diabetes.

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Prasanna316

Hope is where the health is!:-) Hope for the best!

No cure for cancer as well...lot of diseases exist where there is no cure for...if there was cure for all these diseases, humans would become immortal! which is not possible in itself...

our body has a definite shelf life...it has a expiry date...

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Ashka9

breast cancers are curable / preventable. Certain blood cancers are also curable with stem cell therapy.

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cureAdministratorโ€ข in reply tosuramo

Angelina Jolie treatment Bhai suramo ???

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Prasanna316โ€ข in reply toAshka9

Appreciate your view Ashka9 . Human shelf life is limited. We are not immortals. But remember people who do not have any disease, also die a natural death, a peaceful death. No need to die with distress and pain. Also remember, IF THERE IS A PROBLEM, THERE MUST IS A SOLUTION, IF NOT, THEN CHECK, IT MAY NOT BE A PROBLEM AT ALL, SOMETHING ELSE. Human knowledge is limited. We may conquer diabetes and cancer tomorrow, again something new will emerge. This is an eternal struggle, as long as we are deviated from the truth, we continue to suffer in one way or other.

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We can discover anything only when it exists!Otherwise,we have to invent!!

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anup

u r asking me or cure?

see my last post just before few minutes and respond to that please

at present I am hypoglycemic and not feeling well....bs level is 63mg/dl after 2 hrs of a meal

see details in that post

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cureAdministratorโ€ข in reply toAshka9

Hey.... why are you running BS 63??? any reason??

have you checked with endo???

are u fasting???

bhai log yar zagada (discussion :P ) chodo.....

think why she is running BS 63....

Kya problem hai Ashka9

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Ashka9โ€ข in reply tocure

cure

read my following post

healthunlocked.com/diabetes...

I am not fasting at all....

not checked with endo....will ask later the reason behind it since I am getting it for sometime once in a while since 6-8 months...lower BS level after breakfast especially

reason may be hormonal imbalance as Shrisamarth says...my thyroid is undergoing change to get set to optimal levels...dose of thyroxine is increased recently...

second reason can be reactive hypoglycemia as some predict...but don't know what's the reason behind that....

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shrisamarthVolunteerโ€ข in reply tocure

Reactive hypoglycemia.

Difficult to find exact cause. or rather it is impossible.

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Ashka9โ€ข in reply toshrisamarth

Shrisamarth,

What is impossible? to find the cause of reactive hypoglycemia?

As such, what can be the reasons for reactive hypoglycemia?

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shrisamarthVolunteerโ€ข in reply toAshka9

Cause of reactive hypoglycemia. Or rather why insulin spikes late so that it leads to hypoglycemia.

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Ashka9โ€ข in reply toshrisamarth

Shrisamarth

I got it....insulin spikes late may be because of IR is not constant?

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shrisamarthVolunteerโ€ข in reply toAshka9

You mean fluctuating IR ? I don't think so.

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Shrisamarth

IR changes with diet and lot many other factors may be....exercise, stress and all...

so may be IR can fluctuate?

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shrisamarthVolunteerโ€ข in reply toAshka9

How can you measure changing IR ?

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Ashka9โ€ข in reply toshrisamarth

Shrisamarth

We have lot of formulas for measuring IR...if we wish to..which you already know

1. IR = Fasting insulin x fasting glucose/405

2. Homa 2 calculator

3. TG/HDL

And people here on this forum claim that BCF and IR improve with diet.

So, for e.g. my IR=1.3 by homa 2 calculator, last aug...now if I change diet I can take again blood test for fasting insulin and fasting blood sugar and measure IR by same method to see how much it has improved...right?

or may be I have undergone lot of stress and grief recently..if I get Insulin measured again...and calculate IR...may be it would fluctuate...

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shrisamarthVolunteerโ€ข in reply toAshka9

Yes IR will fluctuate with gap of few days. i thought you were talking about IR fluctuation within gap of few hours.

Actually it is recommended to measure insulin thrice with gap of few minutes and av. it to get accurate results, because insulin release is not continuous.

C-peptide is to be used for BCF and insulin for sensitivity.

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Shrisamarth

I just checked with Thyrocare website...I couldn't find test called C-Peptide....it comes under which profile...

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shrisamarthVolunteerโ€ข in reply toAshka9

I think they don't do c-peptide test.

For c-peptide and insulin go with local lab and better if it is not transported from one place to another. And see if the lab tests the sample within two hours for accuracy of the result.

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Ashka9โ€ข in reply toshrisamarth

ok thanks Shrismarth

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cure

Arey itna jhaghada kyu hai. Ye kya ho raha hai ??

Ashka9

bs 63. Madam what's your liver doing ?

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Ashka9โ€ข in reply tosuramo

Suramo

read my following post

healthunlocked.com/diabetes...

I am not fasting at all....

not checked with endo....will ask later the reason behind it since I am getting it for sometime once in a while since 6-8 months...lower BS level after breakfast especially

reason may be hormonal imbalance as Shrisamarth says...my thyroid is undergoing change to get set to optimal levels...dose of thyroxine is increased recently...

second reason can be reactive hypoglycemia as some predict...but don't know what's the reason behind that....

By the way, what my liver's role into hypoglycemia after meal?

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So sad!

People blame you and also seek help from you.

It is not fair anyway!

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alwaysoptimistic

I have not blamed anup for anything yet....u all have so many grudges

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alwaysoptimisticโ€ข in reply toAshka9

Ashka9 ,You must take care of your words!

As I know-Anup Ji is a person with open mind and with a big heart.

It takes a lot to become an Anup Singh!

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anup

forget it....it seems you are not mature enough for healthy conversations with me...sorry...

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Anup

my TG/HDL = 110/41= 2.68

TG and HDL levels are as per blood reports of Nov. 2015.

But as per fasting insulin and FBS in last Aug 2016 as per HOMA 2 calculator, my BCF is 90% and IR=1.33 Where my fasting insulin =9.93 uU/ml and FBS=100 mg/dl

Anyway, ate again 2 and1/2 chappatis with bengan ka bhartha and feel better...my BS level came back to normal I suppose...

I have been familiar with this question of being hypoglycemic after a meal in another community...I have to go thru that thread again...have to search for that discussion...I didn't read then....because that time it didn't happen to me...

thanks for yr suggestions and advises...

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shrisamarthVolunteerโ€ข in reply toAshka9

Fasting insulin of 10 is high level

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Ashka9โ€ข in reply toshrisamarth

shrisamarth

what is an ideal or optimum level of fasting insulin then?

and how to achieve it? just thru diet or other measures as well?

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shrisamarthVolunteerโ€ข in reply toAshka9

Ideally less than 5 but then it becomes very difficult to achieve good bs control. So up to 7 it is okay.

Diet and IF will help in achieving optimum fasting insulin levels.

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Ashka9โ€ข in reply toshrisamarth

Thanks Mr. Shrisamarth,

My diet is not an ideal but I will try to figure out what would work for me considering all the factors.

I already do fasting.....not sure if it falls under rules of IF.

If insulin would be less than 5, meaning less insulin available for metabolism of glucose...i.e. to get glucose into the cells for energy...meaning higher blood glucose levels...right? that's what you are trying to say...that if it is less than 5, it would be difficult to achieve good BS Control.

Let's see....how I can go about it.

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shrisamarthVolunteerโ€ข in reply toAshka9

Difficult but not impossible. My fbs is mostly in between 90-95 and my fasting insulin was less than 2 when I had tested it 3 years back.

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Ashka9โ€ข in reply toshrisamarth

hey...Mr. Shrisamarth....I have a doubt regarding yr fasting insulin...when I put 95 as FBS and 1.9 as fasting insulin as your mentioned values above in Homa 2 calculator...it said fasting insulin should be more than 2.9...and less than 57.6 uU/ml.

Even if you put 2.9 with your FBS value in Homa 2 calculator, yr BCF comes to just 44 % and IS (insulin sensitivity) about 254...which means you were hypoglycemic then...before 3 years when you tested....IS i.e. insulin sensitivity should be 100%...and BCF also 100% as in normal person...right?

Did u test yr fasting insulin now recently and calculated IS and BCF by Homa 2 calculator?

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shrisamarthVolunteerโ€ข in reply toAshka9

I know that HOMA 2 does not accept less than 2.9 . I have good sensitivity to insulin.

I am diabetic since last four and half years. So when I tested insulin I was already diabetic. At that time FBS was 89.

Haven't tested recently.

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Ashka9โ€ข in reply toshrisamarth

Shrisamarth

That's good..if you have good insulin sensitivity but then how come you are diabetic having IR lower than 1?

By this formula,

Insulin resistance= fasting insulin X fasting sugar/405

your IR comes to 0.4 which is good then even if you were diabetic when tested before 3 years....I wonder how you got diabetes in first place....because here all forum members are under impression that IR is the main cause of diabetes..ha ha ha

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shrisamarthVolunteerโ€ข in reply toAshka9

how come you are diabetic having IR lower than 1?

Insulin deficiency.

May be some genetic factor made my beta cells dysfunctional and due to high BS levels some of them are dead.

One more factor confirms my insulin sensitivity. My TG/HDL ratio is always less than 1, even at diabetes diagnosis.

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Ashka9โ€ข in reply toshrisamarth

Shrisamarth,

That's good and bad news both

Your genetic problem is the cause for yr diabetes...bad news

IR/IS and TG/HDL ratio all are normal ...that is good news...

But I never thought of a case like yours before...where IS/IR is not the issue or cause of diabetes...and BCF is less...insulin deficiency can also be the cause of diabetes....learning more...not sure how much I have to still learn about diabetes!:-)

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shrisamarthVolunteerโ€ข in reply toAshka9

Now you got it right.

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shrisamarth

Your ir is normal but your bcf has been affected. So it seems that your bc were destroyed. How and why is a subject of research but certainly i'd like to know how you could destroy only a part of your beta cells.

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shrisamarthVolunteerโ€ข in reply tosuramo

If they are fully destroyed then how can manage my diabetes without medicines.

Part of mass is destroyed or is dysfunctional. I don't know.

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shrisamarth

If your ir is low (.44) and your reduced bc mass or function produced enough insulin how did you become D in first place. Bc would always produce enough insulin to control bs because bc are extremely sugar sensitive. They can overwork but won't make you D ?

Can you give a logical explanation how you got D.

You can never have hyperinsulinemia in presence of normal ir.

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shrisamarthVolunteerโ€ข in reply tosuramo

May be some genetic defect made my beta cells dysfunctional and I might have lost some beta cell mass due to glucotoxicity.

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Ashka9

"

If insulin would be less than 5, meaning less insulin available for metabolism of glucose...i.e. to get glucose into the cells for energy...meaning higher blood glucose levels...right? "

Insulin less than 5 means less insulin is required to push glucose into the cells. Means less ir and not high glucose levels. Whenever there is high bs levels insulin secretion would increase to get glucose inside the cells. Hyperinsulinemia. High sugar and low insulin means badly damaged beta cells. Time to take shots.

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Ashka9โ€ข in reply tosuramo

Suramo

I understood the same what you said above...but Shrisamarth case is different ...read above his comment where he says he is insulin deficient and yet he has good IR and his insulin sensitivity is good too...his TG/HDL ratio which is another marker for IR is also always less than 1...and IR is 0.4 even after he was diagnosed with diabetes.

The cause of his diabetes is not IR but BCF being defective....his beta cells are dysfunctional due to genetic reason...and resulting high BS levels has caused beta cells to die....a rare case I suppose...

And by the way, Shrisamarth is not taking insulin shots or any medicines whatsoever....I don't know how his body makes up for less insulin...beta cells already dysfunctional or died...

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Ashka9

A case for research. Really we should find out despite poor bcf how he is maintaining his good numbers in absence / poor secretion of insulin.

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Here some people use platform to vomit their frustration.It never happens at dlife.

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Hidden

Calcification is the ultimate repair to the damage done by inflammation. It's good that it repairs the damage and prevents the spread of inflammation from the site but bad because the tissues then lose elasticity.

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concerned

u mean proportion of carbs in relation to total calories are not important but how much total amount of carbs you eat is important?

GI means ....glycemic index naa? true...that's what I also think...GI and GI load is more important than % of carbs....

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anup, suramo

My BUN was 5.52 (limit 7.9-20) so it was less what does reduced BUN indicate?

My SGPT and SGOT levels were a bit high...Suramo has seen my reports...

SGOT was 40.1 ( For females, it should be 0-31)

SGPT was 50.7 ( For femailes, limit is 10-28)

What does elevated SGOT/SGPT indicate?

Alkaline phosphatase was 124 ( limit is 42-98 for females)

What does elevated Alkaline phosphatase indicate?

Serum globulin was 2.23 (limit is 2.5-3.4)

what does reduced Serum globulin indicate?

All above blood test results are of Nov. 2015

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Anup, Shrisamarth

So, I think Shrisamarth is following hypocaloric diet and exercising a lot ...regularly...right?

โ€ข in reply toAshka9

Those in LCHF are in high calories intake

Hypocaloric is as in new Castle diet

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shrisamarthVolunteerโ€ข in reply toAshka9

My weight is stable for last two years.

Is it possible on hypocalorie diet ?

I do limited exercise.

Lots of misconception going around

Zero carb not possible especially in india

We are not a big meat eaters

Similarly we don't eat tons of butter or ghee but rather add it in foods like veggies, besan+atta roti for those who have this Or in brown rice etc.

Or in bulletproof coffee

True

And its no surprise that each generation instead of adapting to high carbs are actually degenerating

The subsequent generations are just becoming intolerant to high carbs

with the easy availability of refined foods at every nook & corner we are finding more & more people with all sorts of metabolic disorders with ONE root cause.. ie excess carbs / excess circulating insulin worsened with low fat diet..

Not for forget Mangoes

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Ashka9โ€ข in reply to

I eat mangoes in season....in moderate amounts and I have measured BS after eating mangoes...and my PPBS comes under control....we eat mango juice with roti....with lots of ghee....ghee delays the absorption of carbs in roti and mangoes....so combination of foods is also important to avoid blood sugar spikes...

By the way gluten in wheat becomes ineffective once it is roasted like we do in roti/chappati/paratha...before making the roti...we make the dough and give it a rest for a while...so soaking of grains is always good for activating enzymes in food for digestion....our cultural dietary habits are always better than western dietary habits of cookies, pizza, pasta etc...we all know that!

โ€ข in reply toAshka9

Liver is the most important organ for type 2 diabetics more than pancreas at the initial stages

Fructose is metabolized just like alcohol in the liver. This only puts load on the already overloaded liver which works 24 hrs eliminating all the toxins we ingest

Fruits to be minimal with small qty of berries permitted

Rest upto us

I always say that diabetes is the best disorder to be treated by drs or advised by dieticians or nutritionists as any complications development later on is just attributed to the disease being progressive

So for both the categories above diabetics are a milch cow for them giving milk for a long long time once hooked on

While I have full respect for the medical fraternity this is one aspect I disagree and the welfare of us depends on our own ability to control our diet

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Anup

Rujuta is not GOD for me. But what she says is just follow our culture. Best is home made food with whole wheat roti with home made ghee applied, steamed vegetables in filtered oil (basically groundnut oil) that we always eat with daal....with tadka...and all herbs and spices we use in cooking facilitates not only digestion and metabolism but keep lot of stomach discomforts at bay, building strong immunity for fighting any diseases we get. I personally don't prefer rice but we use good quality basmati rice and I have measured PPBS after eating rice once in a while and believe me it comes to <140....

There is nothing wrong in southindian dishes like idli/dhosa/uttappam/upma....they all include coconut chutney which you prescribe...with mixed daal sambhaar (containing all legumes with vegetables)

nothing wrong in paneer, cheese according to you which we already use in our cooking...

nothing wrong with dhokla/muthiyaa/handvo (made from flour of legumes and rice) which are baked.

nothing wrong with millets we use sparingly...we eat theplas made from bajri (pearl millet) with fenugreek leaves and apply lot of ghee while eating....

So, just tell me what's the wrong in our Indian culture or diet habits at all?

We are not eating refined carbs like Pizza, Pasta, Tacos containing preservatives...we cook from scratch at home with whole wheat flour, daals and rice....and millets along with vegetables, herbs, condiments and spices...a complete package for health!:-)

Now, don't tell me vegetarian diet isn't good for health...all non-veg members here and abroad in another community are having diabetes...all meat eaters are leaving to eat meat and getting their numbers under control...

we use milk and milk product...enough to live..isn't it?

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Ashka9

Kyu apni jaan ki dushman ban rahi ho madam.๐Ÿ™๐Ÿ™๐Ÿ™๐Ÿ™๐Ÿ™๐Ÿ™

There is nothing wrong with our culture and cultural diet. We are at fault. We can't assimilate carbs so we need to take carbs to the extent we can digest / process.

Mango has low gi of 51. You can take mangoes in moderation counting gl and total carb intake.

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cureAdministratorโ€ข in reply tosuramo

Agree suramo Nothing wrong in our culture.... but we are at fault...

We are unfit.... Hidden raised very good point...

As human got developed....and able find more carbs....and now in modern age more refined carbs...it was natural that his capacity to assimilate those refined carbs should improve....

May be nature is trying to eliminate us.... we are not fit in that process of evolution....

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Ashka9โ€ข in reply tocure

cure, suramo, shashikaniyengar...

Kalyug hai bhai, everything will get destroyed in the end! Humans also may become an extinct species!....just joking....

body "nashwar" hai....if physical body is destroyed, that doesn't mean we don't exist!

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Bhagavad Gita Lord Krishna said:

เคจเฅˆเคจเค‚ เค›เคฟเคจเฅเคฆเคจเฅเคคเคฟ เคถเคธเฅเคคเฅเคฐเคพเคฃเคฟ เคจเฅˆเคจเค‚ เคฆเคนเคคเคฟ เคชเคพเคตเค•เคƒ เคจ เคšเฅˆเคจเค‚ เค•เฅเคฒเฅ‡เคฆเคฏเคจเฅเคคเฅเคฏเคพเคชเฅ‹ เคจ เคถเฅ‹เคทเคฏเคคเคฟ เคฎเคพเคฐเฅเคคเคƒ เฅจ.เฅจเฅฉ

Meaning:- The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind."

Eveven D can not harm our soul... :D

So let us enjoy Sol Kadhi.....

youtube.com/watch?v=8SaiKMO...

โ€ข in reply toAshka9

My contention is:

Yes. Diabetes will not kill us so quickly

But do I want to enjoy my life moving around or in a bed.

That's the question

So I would prefer to keep my BS less at around 95 most of the time and post meal spike of less than 120 in one hr and around 95-100 I two hrs

Yes. I do mistakes many times. But keep learning.

Rest upto us.

It's our life.

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Shashikaniyengar

You have set very stringent limits of BS levels for yourself....

I understand that we have to control our BS levels to avoid complications of diabetes... but getting into too many details like @anup and @cure is detrimental infact....it takes away charm out of life!

Sometimes I feel ..."IGNORANCE IS BLISS"...but I do know however that "KNOWLEDGE IS POWER"~:-)

โ€ข in reply toAshka9

Each according to its own

Our choices today will determine tomorrow

By the way I don't have a restricted life

I have lots of choices of foods.

One door closes and another opens.

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Thanks, suramo for giving me permission to eat mangoes....if I start following Anup, I will starve!:-)

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Ashka9

who am i to give you permission ?

I just suggested. You can eat only half to one third of a mango. That quantity has 15 g of carbs. So i suggested you to take that much only. I also just taste mangos. Don't EAT them. With lots of ghee or cream- malai.

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Ashka9โ€ข in reply tosuramo

hnn

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Ashka9 I agree with you.... our Indian diet is best.....

BUT.....now since we are diabetic.... our system is compromised...we can not digest carbs.... so now we have to take care of our system...

It is very simple.... even in our culture... when person is sick... doctors advise is to take light diet...

Now what does that means??? the diet which will be digested easily .... now being diabetic we are not able to digest carbs.... how can we take same???

All Rutuja or whoever....she may be right for normal ppl....as far as diabetic....carbs should be restricted...

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anup

Mango is called king of fruits...so many vitamins and minerals...in mostly all fruits...I am not fan of fruits but take water-melon, papaya, even banana sometimes...potassium rich fruits should be taken sparingly atleast once or twice even by a diabetic....

If I show you my LFT done in 2012 it was all normal....only diabetes may have damaged liver...elevated SGPT/SGOT in 2015 after about 2 and a half year of diabetes...nobody knows how we get diabetes....if it is in genes as Suramo says....as u know already nobody in my paternal or maternal family has diabetes....so not in my genes...diet is same as family....

lot of nutritional deficiences also as a result of diabetes....and it's medication.....hormonal imbalances...insulin, thyroid hormones all connected in one or other way....u can research about our endocrine system to find out how hormonal imbalances create havoc in the body...

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anup

There is wisdom in our culture if you believe in it. Age old proved methods can never be wrong...they are all TIME-TESTED...and not trial and error as modern people do...

As such you don't believe in what ADA/AMA etc...says or defines....but then you criticize our culture also saying "indian mentality" of hota hai and chalta hai....u r not "indian"?

which culture then u believe in...western or eastern? u do not believe in religion also....believing in religion is different than being religious and doing all rituals....religion has some degree of spirituality in it which is required as an integral part of our existence...

Life has four compartments.

1. Mental

2. Physical

3. Social

4. Spiritual

Any imbalance in above 4 compartments is not healthy and cannot lead to complete happiness in life.

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anup

I am not defending cultural diet with spiritual aspect.

See...u don't believe in 'culture', "religion/spirituality" and "physical activity" also....u just manage yr diabetes without medicines with the help of diet of your choice....diet is ofcourse very important but physical activity is equally important for diabetics....don't u think so? don't yr "science" say the importance of exercise at all?

Not eating Wheat and Rice are not the end of the road for diabetics....life lies ahead....after eating wheat rotis everyday, my PPBS comes normal....

will keep u posted about my medical reports for you to know wheat and rice are not that bad for diabetics at all and not all diabetics are same...

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Ashka9

celiac people can't digest gluten and gluten then crosses stomach barrier into the blood causing inflammation....

gluten becomes digestible on soaking/roasting thus activating enzymes for digestion...all grains has to be either soaked, roasted, sprouted before ingestion for easy digestion.

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Ashka9

a little correction. Coeliac people are allergic to gluten. So if they eat gluten there is an immune reaction at the intestinal endothelial linings. The intestines lose the inner skin and become "bald ". So absorption becomes difficult. Diarrhea, abdominal cramps and malnutrition occur.

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YES DEAR MR ANUP...u r right...GI of wheat flour is more than table sugar so to say....but wheat flour is complex carbs and table sugar is simple carbs...I hope u know the difference....

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Ashka9

simple or complex. Gi is more important because high gi food spike your bs and since we are poor at clearing that raised bs it will damage our bodies.

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Ashka9โ€ข in reply tosuramo

Suramo, Anup

I know the concept of GI and GL very well.

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@Anup

should we consider @shri... a D like us ?

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Anup, Suramo, Cure

Remissionโ€™s a tricky word, with lots of definitions:

1. the state of absence of disease activity in patients known to have a chronic illness that cannot be cured. (Wikipedia)

2. a diminution of the seriousness or intensity of disease or pain; a temporary recovery. (Oxford Dictionary)

3. A disappearance of a disease as a result of treatment. Complete remission means that all disease is gone. Partial remission means that the disease is significantly improved by treatment, but residual traces of the disease are still present. (Free Medical Dictionary)

4. Natural or spontaneous remission of rheumatoid arthritis is rare. Clinical remission is used to refer to when signs and symptoms have lessened due to medications.(Arthritis Answers)

some excerpts below from article

phoenixhelix.com/2014/06/29...

According to some definitions, I am in remission. My symptoms have dramatically lessened. Complete remission is my holy grail, but even if I achieve that, itโ€™s not the same as a cure. Mickey from Autoimmune Paleo doesnโ€™t like to use the word remission, because she thinks it implies a freedom thatโ€™s doesnโ€™t reflect reality. The minute we eat foods we shouldnโ€™t, or let stress get out of control, symptoms return. When it comes to autoimmune disease, healing is a lifestyle, not a โ€œfix.โ€ Whitney from Nutrisclerosis talks about the flipside of this truth: as long as we live a healing lifestyle, remission doesnโ€™t need to be temporary at all โ€“ it can last a lifetime.

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Anup

"If it's really complex carbs, GI should have been lower. " i fully agree. High gi means a complex carb has been converted to simple carb with high gi.

Raw potatoes have rs1. So indigestible starch. We D can eat raw potatoes but once you cook them no less harmful than a bomb for us. Cooking / processing convert these potatoes in high gi food. We can't eat. All that matters is gi of the food.

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Anup

lean or fat. But if he has very low ir and insulin levels well wnl how and what makes him D ?

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Hmmmm @anup shrisamarth ka diabetes mere samaz ke bahar ka hai......

He is so thin....still diabetic.... mere diabetes ke thory mein uska diabetes baithta nahi....

He is eating chakka.... wo bhi mere samaz ke bahar hai....

But at the end of day.... he is maintaining good Hba1c.... so whatever suits him... may not suit others....

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cure

what is chakka?

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cureAdministratorโ€ข in reply toAshka9

chakka = The curd (dahi) is partially strained through a cloth to remove the whey and thus produce a solid mass called Chakka

youtube.com/watch?v=ay4y0IU...

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Ashka9โ€ข in reply tocure

what is the difference between curd and yoghurt...only strained out whey?

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what is difference between shrimps and prawns?

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hey cure...don't have any idea about nonveg item as I have been pure veg all my life

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hahaha just kidding Ashka9 there is no difference i guess.... just same... yogurt and curd is same.... and shimps and prawns are also same...

but when u take out water from curd the properties change....

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cure

Ashka9

Both are different. Try net. Curd and yogurt are made with different microorganisms.

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He is eating chakka.... wo bhi mere samaz ke bahar hai....

เคšเค•เฅเคฏเคพเคค เค•เคพเคนเฅ€ เคชเฅเคฐเฅ‰เคฌเฅเคฒเฅ‡เคฎ ? :)

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เค†เคฏเฅเคฐเฅเคตเฅ‡เคฆเคพ เคชเฅเคฐเคฎเคพเคฃเฅ‡ เคฆเคนเฅ€ เค†เคฃเคฟ เคฆเคนเฅเคฏเคพเคชเคพเคธเฅ‚เคจ เคฌเคจเคตเคฒเฅ‡เคฒเฅ‡ เคชเคฆเคพเคฐเฅเคฅ เคนเฅ‡ เค•เคซเค•เคพเคฐเค• เค†เคนเฅ‡เคค..

เคฎเคงเฅเคฎเฅ‡เคน เคนเคพ เค•เคซ เคชเฅเคฐเคตเฅƒเคคเฅเคคเฅ€ เคฌเคณเคพเคตเคฃเฅเคฏเคพเคšเคพ เคฆเฅเคทเฅเคชเคฐเคฟเคฃเคพเคฎ เค†เคนเฅ‡ เค…เคธเฅ‡ เคธเคฎเคœเคฒเฅ‡ เคœเคพเคคเฅ‡.

เค†เคคเคพ เคฆเคนเฅ€ เค–เคพเคตเฅ‡ เค•เคฟ เคจเคพเคนเฅ€... ?? เคคเคฐ เค–เคพเคตเฅ‡ เคฎเคพเคซเค• เคชเฅเคฐเคฎเคพเคฃเคพเคค...

เคชเคฃ เค†เคชเคฃ เคฆเคนเฅ€ เคนเฅ‡ เคธเค‚เคชเฅ‚เคฐเฅเคฃ เค†เคนเคพเคฐ เคฎเฅเคนเคฃเฅ‚เคจ เค˜เฅ‡เคคเคพ ..เคนเฅ‡ เคฅเฅ‹เคกเฅ‡ เคตเคฟเคฐเฅเคฐเฅเคฆเฅเคง เคตเคพเคŸเคคเฅ‡

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เคšเค•เฅเคฏเคพเคตเคฐ เค…เคตเคฒเค‚เคฌเฅ‚เคจ เคจเคพเคนเฅ€. เคชเคจเฅ€เคฐ เค•เคฟเค‚เคตเคพ เคšเค•เฅเค•เคพ เคนเฅเคฏเคพเคชเฅˆเค•เฅ€ เคเค•เคš. เคคเฅ‡เคนเฅ€ เคคเคธเฅ‡ เคฎเคฐเฅเคฏเคพเคฆเคฟเคค. เคฆเคฟเคตเคธเคพเคคเฅ‚เคจ เคเค• เคฆเฅ‹เคจเคฆเคพเคš.

เคฎเคพเคเฅเคฏเคพ เค…เค‚เคฆเคพเคœเคพเคจเฅ‡ เคฎเฅ€ เคตเคพเคค เคชเฅเคฐเค•เฅƒเคคเฅ€ เค†เคนเฅ‡.

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เค…เค—เคฆเฅ€ เคฌเคฐเฅ‹เคฌเคฐ.... เค†เคชเคฒเคพ เคฎเคงเฅเคฎเฅ‡เคน เคนเคพ เคตเคฟเคฐเคณเคพเคš เค†เคนเฅ‡... เคธเคฐเฅเคตเคธเคพเคฎเคพเคจเฅเคฏเคพเค‚เคšเคพ เคจเคพเคนเฅ€ ... เคธเคฐเฅเคตเคธเคพเคฎเคพเคจเฅเคฏ เคนเฅ‡ เค•เคซ เคชเฅเคฐเคตเฅƒเคคเฅเคคเฅ€ เคฌเคณเคพเคตเคฃเฅเคฏเคพเคšเฅ€ เคฆเฅเคทเฅเคชเคฐเคฟเคฃเคพเคฎ เคญเฅ‹เค—เคค เค…เคธเคคเคพเคค. เคชเคฐเค‚เคคเฅ เค†เคชเคฒเฅเคฏเคพ เคฌเคพเคฌเคคเฅ€เคค เคฅเฅ‹เคกเฅ‡ เคตเฅ‡เค—เคณเฅ‡ เค†เคนเฅ‡.

เค†เคคเคพ เคคเฅเคฎเคšเฅเคฏเคพ เคชเคพเคตเคฒเคพ เคตเคฐ เคชเคพเคŠเคฒ เค เฅ‡เคŠเคจ เค•เฅ‹เคฃเฅ€ เคœเคฐ เค•เคซ เคฆเฅ‚เคทเคฟเคค เคšเค•เฅเค•เคพ เค–เคพเคŠ เคฒเคพเค—เคฒเคพ เคคเคฐ เค•เคซ เคชเฅเคฐเคตเฅƒเคคเฅเคคเฅ€ เค…เคœเฅ‚เคจ เคฌเคณเคพเคตเฅ‡เคฒ.

เคธเฅเคตเคพเคฎเฅ€ เคคเฅเคฎเฅเคนเฅ€ เคธเฅเคชเฅ‡เคถเคฒ เค…เคนเคพเคค

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shrisamarthVolunteerโ€ข in reply tocure

Your case is unique

เคนเฅ‡ เคฎเฅเคนเคฃเคฃเคพเคฐเฅ‡ เคคเฅ‚เคฎเฅเคนเฅ€ เคคเคฟเคธเคฐเฅ‡ เค†เคนเคพเคค เค‡เคฅเฅ‡

:D

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เคคเฅเคœเคตเฅ€เคฃ เคญเฅเคตเคจเฅ€ เคชเคพเคนเคค เคคเฅเคœ เคเคธเฅ‡ เคจเคพเคนเฅ€

เคšเคพเคฐเฅ€ เคถเฅเคฐเคฎเคฒเฅ‡ เคชเคฐเค‚เคคเฅ เคจ เคฌเฅ‹เคฒเคตเฅ‡ เค•เคพเคนเฅ€

เคธเคพเคนเฅ€ เคตเคฟเคตเคพเคฆ เค•เคฐเคฟเคคเคพ เคชเคกเคฟเคฒเฅ‹ เคชเฅเคฐเคตเคพเคนเฅ€

hahahahahaha

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เคฆเฅเคฐเฅเค—เฅ‡ เคฆเฅเคฐเฅเค˜เคŸ เคญเคพเคฐเฅ€ เคคเฅเคœเคตเฅ€เคฃ เคธเค‚เคธเคพเคฐเฅ€

เค…เคจเคพเคฅ เคจเคพเคฅเฅ‡ เค…เค‚เคฌเฅ‡ เค•เคฐเฅเคฃเคพ เคตเคฟเคธเฅเคคเคพเคฐเฅ€

เคตเคพเคฐเฅ€ เคตเคพเคฐเฅ€ เคœเคจเฅเคฎ เคฎเคฐเคฃ เคคเฅ‡เคตเคพเคฐเฅ€

เคนเคพเคฐเฅ€ เคชเคกเคฒเฅ‹ เค†เคคเคพ เคธเค‚เค•เคŸ เคจเฅ‡เคตเคพเคฐเฅ€

เคœเคฏ เคฆเฅ‡เคตเฅ€ เคœเคฏ เคฆเฅ‡เคตเฅ€ เคœเคฏ เคฎเคนเคฟเคทเคพเคธเฅเคฐ เคฎเคฐเฅเคฆเคฟเคจเฅ€

เคธเฅเคฐเคตเคฐ เคˆเคถเฅเคตเคฐ เคตเคฐเคฆเฅ‡ เคคเคพเคฐเค• เคธเค‚เคœเฅ€เคตเคจเฅ€

เคœเคฏ เคฆเฅ‡เคตเฅ€ เคœเคฏ เคฆเฅ‡เคตเฅ€

เคคเฅเคœเคตเฅ€เคฃ เคญเฅเคตเคจเฅ€ เคชเคพเคนเคค เคคเฅเคœ เคเคธเฅ‡ เคจเคพเคนเฅ€

เคšเคพเคฐเฅ€ เคถเฅเคฐเคฎเคฒเฅ‡ เคชเคฐเค‚เคคเฅ เคจ เคฌเฅ‹เคฒเคตเฅ‡ เค•เคพเคนเฅ€

เคธเคพเคนเฅ€ เคตเคฟเคตเคพเคฆ เค•เคฐเคฟเคคเคพ เคชเคกเคฟเคฒเฅ‹ เคชเฅเคฐเคตเคพเคนเฅ€

เคคเฅ‡ เคคเฅ‚ เคญเค•เฅเคคเคพ เคฒเคพเค—เฅ‡ เคคเฅ‡ เคคเฅ‚ เคฆเคธ เคฒเคพเค—เฅ‡ เคชเคพเคตเคธ เคฒเคตเคฒเคพเคนเฅ€

เคœเคฏ เคฆเฅ‡เคตเฅ€ เคœเคฏ เคฆเฅ‡เคตเฅ€ เคœเคฏ เคฎเคนเคฟเคทเคพเคธเฅเคฐ เคฎเคฐเฅเคฆเคฟเคจเฅ€

เคธเฅเคฐเคตเคฐ เคˆเคถเฅเคตเคฐ เคตเคฐเคฆเฅ‡ เคคเคพเคฐเค• เคธเค‚เคœเฅ€เคตเคจเฅ€

เคœเคฏ เคฆเฅ‡เคตเฅ€ เคœเคฏ เคฆเฅ‡เคตเฅ€

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เคนเคพ เคนเคพ เคนเคพ

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cure

shrisamarth

Ye kya ho raha hai ?

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shrisamarthVolunteerโ€ข in reply tosuramo

In short cure is talking about uniqueness of my diabetes.

:)

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shrisamarth

If you have only bcf and no ir i think you have great chances of cure by stem cell therapy. In case you opt for that our IKD institute of Kidney Diseases at ahmedabad civil campus can be a good option. I can help you. cure has my contact details.

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shrisamarthVolunteerโ€ข in reply tosuramo

Doubtful about stem cell therapy.

How many type 2 diabetics they have successfully treated ?

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cure

u mix all fields of medicines....Ayuveda, Homeopathic and Allopathic as well.

and u think too much....

Curd in diet is a must....everything in moderation is the key!

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BTW เค†เคœ เคšเค•เฅเค•เคพ เค•เคฐเคพเคฏเคฒเคพ เค˜เฅ‡เคคเคฒเคพเคฏ. เค—เคพเค เฅ‹เคก เคฒเคŸเค•เคตเคฒเคฏ. :D

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เคฆเฅ‚เคง เค•เฅเค เคฒเฅ‡?? เค—เคพเคˆเคšเฅ‡ เค•เฅ‡ เคฎเฅเคนเคถเฅ€เคšเฅ‡??

เคšเคฟเคคเคณเฅ‡เค‚เคšเฅ‡ เค•เคฟ เค•เคพเคคเฅเคฐเคœเคšเฅ‡ ...

เค•เคพเคคเฅเคฐเคœ เคฎเคฒเคพเคˆ เคฆเฅ‚เคง เคตเคพเคชเคฐเฅ‚เคจ เคชเคนเคพ... เคฎเคเคพ เคฏเฅ‡เคˆเคฒ

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เคšเค•เฅเค•เคพ เค†เคฃเคฟ เคชเคจเฅ€เคฐเคธเคพเค เฅ€ เค†เค เคตเคฒเฅเคฏเคพเค‚เคš เคฆเฅ‚เคง เคตเคพเคชเคฐเคคเฅ‹. เคฐเฅ‹เคœ เค˜เคฐเฅ€ เคฐเคคเฅ€เคฌ (เคธเฅเคŸเฅเคŸเฅ‡ เคฆเฅเคง) เค†เคนเฅ‡.

เค•เคพเคคเฅเคฐเคœ เคฎเคฒเคพเคˆ เคฆเฅ‚เคง

Full fat ?

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cureAdministratorโ€ข in reply toshrisamarth

full fat 6.5

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suramoStarโ€ข in reply tocure

cure

6.5 Is not full fat but 7.5- 8 is.

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cureAdministratorโ€ข in reply tosuramo

Bhai suramo 6.5 fat is also buffalo milk.....cows won't give that rich milk....

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cure

Bade bhaiya. In india we are using buffalo milk. But well fed cows can give 7-8 fat milk. In india cows eat whatever they find on streets so don't give high fat milk. Cow milk is the best. Camel milk is good for us but difficult to obtain and difficult to consume.

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cureAdministratorโ€ข in reply tosuramo

Hey suramo well come....nice to see u back after diwali vacations....

True...

I guess Gir cow milk has got highest fat percentage....and it is easy for u to get... even camel milk....

Last time when I was in Anjar(katccha) I has sweets made out of camel milk.... it is tasty....

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Ashka9โ€ข in reply tocure

cure suramo

We are using grass fed Gir cow's milk everyday It is easily available in India thru "Bhaiya" who would come to deliver it to yr home. These Bhaiyas come from adjacent villages to cities and directly deliver non pasteurized fresh milk.

We don't have milk from cows who eat whatever on streets. Nobody does that I guess.

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Ashka9

Bhaiyas don't sale gir cow milk. They are selling buffalo milk which is 7 fat at the best. Cows are never fed well. Surprisingly Goushalas don't sell cow milk or ghee. Even Jagannath mandir doesn't sell cow ghee although the goushala there is run on donations only. ๐Ÿ’๐Ÿ’๐Ÿ’

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cure

Oh yes. I'm back from andaman nicobar - a very nice vacation of 9 days. My tour operator was very good. The best thing there is coconut water and malai from its inner layer. Very healthy and very tasty. Just one coconut and you are full.

The problem with camel milk is that it can't be stored. You have to buy fresh just milked before you and within one or two hrs you have to consume soon after heating. You are the first person to find it tasty. I gave up in just 2 days ๐Ÿ’๐Ÿ’๐Ÿ’.. Arey wo hi camel milk.

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@anup bhai koi Insulin index nam ka concept bhi hai??

And how about amylose and amylopectin??

the combination of these two in carbs ..does that affects the assimilation of same??

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cure

That's what decides gi.

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Hidden and shri are different I guess...

shashikant is lean and trim fit now....

But guess he was not same earlier... he had tummy earlier I guess....

only one similarity between these two....

Both are learned....and well read and open minded...

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lol swami is beyond everything..... he is special.....lol

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cureAdministrator

there are some lines here @anup fits for shrisamarth

เคคเฅเคœเคตเฅ€เคฃ เคญเฅเคตเคจเฅ€ เคชเคพเคนเคค เคคเฅเคœ เคเคธเฅ‡ เคจเคพเคนเฅ€

เคšเคพเคฐเฅ€ เคถเฅเคฐเคฎเคฒเฅ‡ เคชเคฐเค‚เคคเฅ เคจ เคฌเฅ‹เคฒเคตเฅ‡ เค•เคพเคนเฅ€

เคธเคพเคนเฅ€ เคตเคฟเคตเคพเคฆ เค•เคฐเคฟเคคเคพ เคชเคกเคฟเคฒเฅ‹ เคชเฅเคฐเคตเคพเคนเฅ€

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anup

don't go into habit forming substances....they can't be compared to our daily food items....there is difference between a "drug" and a "food"....right?

narcotic substances fall into different category at all...no?

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hahaha @anup are nahi.... ye marathi thoda difficult hai....

usko chod do.... wo swami ke samza mein ayega....

nothing much....just kidding....

Those are lines from Durga arti....

in that they say....in praise of godess that you are unique... even those 4 vedas are not able to describe you.... neither 6 shastra....

so how can Ayurveda???

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Anup

I have heard of Medical Mariguana in another community particularly for it's blood sugar lowering effect so to say...it claimed....another reason to indulge in addiction!:-)

Wheat is addictive in the sense that the withdrawal process can be provoked by administering an opiate-blocking drug such as naloxone or naltrexone. But the โ€œhighโ€ of wheat is not like the high of heroine, morphine, or Oxycontin. This opiate, while it binds to the opiate receptors of the brain, doesn't make us high. (this para is from google search)

So, dear Mr. Anup, u mean to say....THE WHOLE WORLD IS CRAZY EATING WHEAT? People around the world are addicted to the wheat as per your "GREAT OPINION"....not "SCIENCE" so to say....I believe in science...ha ha ha

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Ashka9

Dear Anup,

YOU WIN, I LOSE! IS THAT OK?

Anyway, I didn't try to be sarcastic at all...I say it all directly and straightforwardly...

I get tired if I debate with you...so even if I read a lot...I will let you win...my choice...

CRUX of the argument is "I CAN'T ELIMINATE WHEAT FROM MY DIET FOR LIFE-TIME" Somehow, I can try it for temporary period!

But your say on eliminating wheat from diet benefiting in diabetes is doubtful....I have to research....

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cureAdministratorโ€ข in reply toAshka9

hmmmm....I am eating emmer (long wheat) ......

is it better option???

many of us can not eliminate wheat from diet....

so look for better option....

Even dietdoctor.com site which is dead against wheat....goes very soft on emmer wheat.....

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Anup

eating a full mango or any fruit whatsoever isn't 15 seconds of treating tastebuds at all...which would hurt liver....I don't believe Papaya which is considered very good for liver as well as digestive system is nothing but fructose....eating fruit is refreshing...lot of fiber, vitamins and minerals...

now...the link above you posted says...

If you received your fructose only from vegetables and fruits (where it originates) as most people did a century ago, you'd consume about 15 grams per day -- a far cry from the 73 grams per day the typical adolescent gets from sweetened drinks. In vegetables and fruits, it's mixed in with fiber, vitamins, minerals, enzymes, and beneficial phytonutrients, all which moderate any negative metabolic effects.

So, the writer Mercola is just comparing fructose used in industrial processed foods and drinks and not natural fructose available in fruits...

About sugar, below is the excerpt from the article...

What's a Sugarholic to Do?

Ideally, I recommend that you avoid as much sugar as possible. This is especially important if you are overweight or have diabetes, high cholesterol, or high blood pressure. I also realize we don't live in a perfect world, and following rigid dietary guidelines is not always practical or even possible. If you want to use a sweetener occasionally, this is what I recommend:

Use the herb stevia.

Use organic cane sugar in moderation.

Use organic raw honey in moderation.

Avoid ALL artificial sweeteners, which can damage your health even more quickly than fructose.

Avoid agave syrup since it is a highly processed sap that is almost all fructose. Your blood sugar will spike just as it would if you were consuming regular sugar or HFCS. Agave's meteoric rise in popularity is due to a great marketing campaign, but any health benefits present in the original agave plant are processed out.

Avoid so-called energy drinks and sports drinks because they are loaded with sugar, sodium, and chemical additives. Rehydrating with pure, fresh water is a better choice.

Now all these artificial sweeteners, stevia and agave syrup is a produce of western world...

Cane sugar would be better for a poor country like India...

For liver why is a fruit like papaya needed

Why not karela and or amla. These also cleanses the liver

Why do we have to opt for sugar / fructose loaded fruits when some low carb veggies can do the same Ashka9

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hnnn...I know....karela ofcourse good for diabetics especially and amla....no wonder the great fruit....but does Papaya and or amla/karela have same vitamins and minerals?

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Prior to diagnosis I used to have very less fruits

So the logic why now.

And why can't I get many micronutrients from veggies and non starchy source.

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Anup

"As long as you process the same amount of carbs, you will need same amount of insulin."

I beg to differ that for t2d. In them amount of insulin depends on ir. D having high ir require more insulin to process the same amount of carbs.

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suramo @anup

But I don't understand when somebody says peanuts are the most healthy and can be eaten as many as one can when one follows LCHF diet, but groundnut oil is not good.

So much long thread about convincing bhaswathy about benefits of peanuts which contains more nutrients over ragi...

It is same as telling, coconut is good as a fruit but VCO is not good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I am looking into it and monitoring my blood sugar levels after eating different foods to conclude what to do ahead...

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suramo @anup

u r right may be anup, I don't know yet. But for our blood sugar level management, we have to reduce carbs which has to be replaced by good fat. No second thought on that. Higher blood sugar levels due to high carb intake may be more damaging in long run than saturated fats taken in moderation.

But I am little depressed about the fact that we diabetics have to not only manage and monitor blood sugar levels daily but have to take so much costly supplements too.

Hypothyroidism I have since more than 10 years and apart from hormone replacement, no problem I faced all these years.

It seems diabetes is a silent killer. No matter what we do, it is less

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u got to used to diet without wheat and rice and eating only twice a day

all may not be able to do that

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DrG Claims to reverse diabetes. Check youtube.com/watch?v=kLHkloS...

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ershanershan

How do I gain weight when I'm on a LCHF diet. Losing weight rapidly.

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