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Isn't Carnivore Dangerous?

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Most of us do not have access to Keto or Carnivore experts. We follow the people on the internet and YouTube. The problem is compounded by the recipies. All internet gurus eat and talk beef. I can't eat beef, I am an Indian.

Last time I tried Carnivore, after a week on the diet my condition was such that I was unable to get up from bed. I was scared and promptly returned back to carbohydrates.

My primary issues are:

1. Is the butter pasteurised and salted? Or unsalted and unpasteurised?

2. Calculating protein in grams equal to bodyweight in kg...

3. Fats... Which kind and how much?

4. Electrolytes... Which kind and how much? Too much can also be dangerous?

5. Fiber, Fruits / Fructose, to take or not?

6. How to avoid weight loss on Carnivore?

7. How many meals per day?

8. Microbiome health?

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gomelgo

Why do you want to try it to begin with? Just think of all the harm, and see the bigger picture, and that might help you see where there is more wisdom. These fad diets are not for everyone imho. And the people who feel better on them, none of them have done it for decades as far as I understand. So who knows what they may cause in the long run. Whereas vegetarian way of life has been practiced for a very long time ... hope that helps.

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JayPwP in reply togomelgo

I want to try because of desperation... We Indians are very carb heavy.

Keto / Low carb / Carnivore is touted to slow down, even stop progression.

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park_bear in reply toJayPwP

Low carb high fat works for me. The bear diet - nuts, berries and salmon. Plus a bit of chicken and eggs. Low sugar fruit only, like red raspberries and green kiwi.

I've made non dietary interventions - high dose thiamine, cinnamon, and Qigong, so hard to tell how much to attribute to which intervention.

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JayPwP in reply topark_bear

Thank you PB...

If it helps, everything is worth trying

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Steegen

Honestly, I agree with the above. The carnivore diet seems like a dangerous idea to me for a PwP.

I believe the minor benefits someone might experience are simply from getting a small fasting effect, but during carnivore it is incomplete and far too prolonged.

Fasting is beneficial when it is 1) done properly and 2) temporary, followed by refeeding.

1) There are two main pathways the body senses a state of no food, via carbs and protein. When they are both absent, the body recognises this as a state of fasting. Fat doesn't interfere with fasting since during fasting the body is using a fat based metabolism. I believe carnivore may have some temporary benefits due to the sugar pathway being absent, but since protein is going to be high at the same time, many of the fasting processes will be blocked.

2) And fasts should be short and temporary, not a daily ongoing thing. Things like daily intermittent fasting, chronic calorie restriction, etc are NOT fasting.

I believe the best form is Dr Valter Longo's fasting mimicking diet. This is a 5 day medical dietary intervention you can buy in a box. But, crucially, it might need to be modified for PwP. Research is ongoing for modified forms of this diet for neurological illnesses like Alzheimer's and Parkinsons. Google Valter Longo for videos and more info. He isn't making money from this research personally and it's a very conservative, first do no harm, approach. IMO.

It is a good idea to be cautious, imo.

However there is nothing I have seen for PD that has given me more hope than these sort of fasting mimicking interventions, perhaps combined with other future therapies.

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JayPwP in reply toSteegen

I am aware of the FMD, however it is not available in India.

Dr. Matthew Phillips has research on PD and Keto, likewise Prof. Cunnane has research on AD and Keto...

Unfortunately I don't have any Keto based neurologists or even a GP who would support my Keto journey...

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gomelgo

Jay have you been tested for heavy metals,

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JayPwP in reply togomelgo

Not available. There are some who do hair test but not trustworthy

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