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Sleeping w/out THC for the first time in 5 years

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I'm still trying to figure out several PD issues that I think are related to the estrogen patch I started about a year ago, and I intend to post about that eventually, but I wanted to give a quick update because my severe insomnia seems to be resolved.

The last time I tried sleeping without THC was in mid-November 2023. I was wide awake and tossing and turning from 10 p.m. until about 2 a.m. when I realized I'd forgotten my THC edible (I took it out but left it sitting on the counter because I was distracted by something). With edibles, I've been able to fall asleep within about an hour and sleep for 7-8 hours, but without them, it takes me 4-5 hours to fall asleep, and I only sleep 3-4 hours. I'm never able to nap. Prior to my PD diagnosis, I'd never had sleep problems.

My husband was hospitalized in mid-March. I stayed with him overnight and didn't take edibles because I wanted to be alert in case he needed anything. I figured I would just tough it out without sleep for a couple of nights. To my surprise, I was able to sleep quite well on the couch in his room. I woke up many times because he needed something and because of nurses and loud monitors, but got back to sleep quickly each time. I was shocked, but I thought maybe it was just a fluke caused by exhaustion and stress.

Once we were back home, I waited until the weekend and then tried sleeping without THC. I fell asleep quickly and slept for almost 8 hours. I've done that every night now for over a month. Last night I slept 9 hours. Even if I wake up to use the restroom, I get right back to sleep. I feel like I have a new lease on life because I have so much more energy. During this month without THC, I've had one episode of RBD (yelling in my sleep).

There are only three things that I've done differently since the last time I tried sleeping without THC in November:

1. I did Dr. Mischley's high-dose DHA protocol for dyskinesia, which decreased my dyskinesia by about 50%. I did 2 months on the high-dose oil (started Dec. 15), and then continued taking 1 serving of the same oil 1-2x/week. I intend to switch to some lower dose capsules but never made up my mind which ones to buy, so I just continued with a less-frequent dose of the oil. I did notice that I was falling asleep faster (while still using THC) after starting the DHA.

2. I've been taking a higher dose of vitamin K complex; however, I had only taken it twice prior to the hospital stay and didn't take it the day we went to the hospital or the next day. K can supposedly help with sleep (I'm taking it for osteoporosis).

3. I've been taking 500 mg GABA with 2 mg B6 at bedtime, but I had only taken it inconsistently a few times prior to the hospital stay and didn't take it while we were there.

I also take vitamin C, vitamin D3, ubiquinol, magnesium malate, threonate, glycinate, and citrate (I rotate the threonate and malate randomly). I took B1 HCL 1 gram/day for 4 1/2 years but can't tolerate it since being on the estrogen patch. I'm currently only taking about 3.125 mg/week. I occasionally take other supplements (zinc, trace minerals, B12) but haven't been doing those consistently at all.

I've tried melatonin, but small doses (2-5 mg) didn't seem to do anything, and large doses ((20 mg) seemed to make me even more restless, so I gave up on it. Because of its potential benefits, I've considered adding it back in at the lower dose, but now I'm afraid to alter anything since I'm currently sleeping so well.

If I don't respond much or quickly to comments, it's because I'm dealing with a lot of health stuff within my family right now. Sorry!

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Smittybear7

are you on the estrogen patch for osteoporosis? If you don’t mind, how old are you? Are you on any medication for Parkinson’s? Thanks in advance for your help. Hope your husband doing well.

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1LittleWillow in reply to Smittybear7

Osteoporosis diagnosis came 2 months after I started the patch, which is why my doctor doesn't really want me to discontinue the patch just yet in spite of problems. I started the patch because of other menopause issues including extreme night sweats. I'm 58, diagnosed 6 years ago this June ("official" diagnosis from MDS was August), symptoms for 2-3 years prior. I take mucuna plus carbidopa instead of Sinemet (tried Sinemet but it made me too sick) once or twice a day. And hubby is doing really well, thank you! 😊

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Smittybear7 in reply to 1LittleWillow

Thanks I’ll be looking for follow up information. I’m 74 and awaiting test results as to the cause of the osteoporosis.

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1LittleWillow in reply to Smittybear7

I had been taking vitamin D for years but didn't know about the importance of vitamin K until last year. I'm also petite, white, and postmenopausal, all risk factors.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

brainmd.com/blog/benefits-o...

That second link is sort of an advertisement for some products, but FYI I am NOT taking them. I just thought the information given was clear and helpful.

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1LittleWillow in reply to Smittybear7

I'm currently working on increasing my probiotics a lot becsuse I believe it will help my gut so much, which should help the Parkinson's as well as the osteoporosis. I've been making/drinking water kefir for a few years, but I'm trying to make natto (which also has vitamin K), yogurt, and sauerkraut.

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ddartmouth

You mention 1 RBD episode in your month without THC. Is that more or less than is typical for you?

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1LittleWillow in reply to ddartmouth

RBD has always been sporadic with THC. Sometimes I've gone 6 months without it and then had two or three episodes within a few weeks. I think it has more to do with overall levels of stress for me, and I've been under enormous stress lately. It's really never happened a lot.

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koshca

Estrogen helps with sleep. When I took grt( Gordon replaced therapy), I slept perfect

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1LittleWillow in reply to koshca

Estrogen did not help me with sleep. I was still struggling with sleep through at least November of '23, and I had been on the estrogen for 8 months. I was still unable to sleep.

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koshca

As soon as you stop taking estrogen, you will have the problem back

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