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Excess Iron In The Brain Of PwP And The Role Of Thiamine, Melatonin And Hesperidin In Alleviating This Issue

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Excess iron in the brain is thought to be a contributing factor to PD and is known to damage the brain. Iron increases in the brain with age, but even more so in PD. Symptoms of too much iron in the brain include progressive dystonia (a movement disorder resulting in muscular spasms, twisting, and repetitive movements) spasticity, parkinsonism (slurred or slow speech, stiffness of the muscles, slow movement, and visible tremors), inability to coordinate movements (ataxia), neuropsychiatric abnormalities (confusion, disorientation, seizures, stupor, dementia), and eye problems, such as optic atrophy or retinal degeneration. Cerebellar atrophy is common in many cases as discussed in the following article :

rarediseases.info.nih.gov/d...

Here is a relevant quote from the article :

' Neurodegeneration with brain iron accumulation (NBIA) is a group of inherited neurologic disorders in which iron accumulates in the basal ganglia. Symptoms include progressive dystonia (a movement disorder resulting in muscular spasms, twisting, and repetitive movements) spasticity, parkinsonism (slurred or slow speech, stiffness of the muscles, slow movement, and visible tremors), inability to coordinate movements (ataxia), neuropsychiatric abnormalities (confusion, disorientation, seizures, stupor, dementia), and eye problems, such as optic atrophy or retinal degeneration. Cerebellar atrophy is common in many cases. '

The following meta analysis illustrates that iron levels are higher in the brain of PwP :

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

Here is a relevant quote :

' Our analysis provides an overview of iron deposition in multiple brain regions of PD patients, and a comparison of outcomes from different methods detecting levels of iron. '

So while excess iron in the brain is problematic in PD and other neurodegenerative diseases, it is not yet known if removing excess iron from the brain will help alleviate symptoms caused by excess iron, except in animals where it has already been proven. MJFF is helping to fund an investigation of a drug that can remove excess iron in the brain as discussed here :

michaeljfox.org/grant/evalu...

This investigation was funded in 2021, but the above link does not say if the investigation has completed and if so, what were the results. If the investigation is not yet complete it should be completed soon. This investigation is to determine whether the drug is eligible for a clinical trial in patients. So if this investigation suggests that a clinical trial in PwP is warranted, it will still be many years away in terms of use of the studied drug by PwP.

Since it is already known that excess iron in the brain is detrimental to the brain and PD, it might be worth considering supplements that have shown the potential to remove iron from the brain or reduce the damage caused by iron overload or both. On that note, three supplements that come to mind are Melatonin, Thiamine and Hesperidin (MTH).

Melatonin

In this first study melatonin is shown to have protective effects against the damage caused by iron overload :

sciencedirect.com/science/a...

Here are some relevant quotes :

' Iron overload as a high risk factor, can be found in almost all human chronic and common diseases. Iron chelators are often used to treat iron overload; however, patient adherence to these chelators is poor due to obvious side effects and other disadvantages. Numerous studies have shown that melatonin has a high iron chelation ability and direct free radical scavenging activity, and can inhibit the lipid peroxidation process caused by iron overload. Therefore, melatonin may become potential complementary therapy for iron overload-related disorders due to its iron chelating and antioxidant activities. '

It is worth noting here that melatonin not only readily crosses the blood brain barrier (BBB), but melatonin and its metabolites have shown the ability to repair a derelict BBB.

' Numerous clinical and animal studies have demonstrated the use of melatonin to prevent or treat a variety of iron overload-related disorders, including neurodegenerative disorders (Wang, 2009), cardiovascular diseases (Tengattini et al., 2008), liver diseases (Zhang et al., 2017), ischemia–reperfusion organ injury (Sener et al., 2002, Cervantes et al., 2008, Zhou et al., 2018), diabetes (Peschke et al., 2015), osteoporosis (Li et al., 2019), cancer (Jung and Ahmad, 2006), etc. '

It is already well known that melatonin helps alleviate the damage caused by iron overload in the brain via its potent radical scavenging, antioxidant activities and anti inflammatory effects, but this next study shows that melatonin also increases Hepcidin, which works to maintain iron homeostasis in multiple areas of the body including the brain :

mdpi.com/1422-0067/23/7/3593

Here is a relevant quote :

' These findings reveal a previously unrecognized role of melatonin in the circadian regulation of hepcidin expression and iron homeostasis.'

Thiamine

Previously I have pointed out that an important method of action of thiamine in reducing PD symptoms and other diseases with elevated levels of the inflammatory mediator IL-17, is that thiamine significantly reduces IL-17 levels. Here is a link to that :

healthunlocked.com/cure-par...

Another important feature of thiamine in PD is that it also helps protect and maintain the blood brain barrier (BBB) from damage. A damaged BBB allows accumulation of iron and iron overload, which is bad for the brain, PD and AD. So this is likely another important benefit of thiamine for PwP and could partially explain why some people seem to take significantly longer to see benefit from B1. Perhaps benefit is delayed or limited until the BBB integrity is restored. It might also partially explain why some people after taking B1 for 6 months to 18 months suddenly have a worsening of symptoms that requires a downward B1 dose adjustment perhaps because once the BBB integrity is restored, less B1 is needed to maintain the benefit.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl....

Here is a relevant quote :

' Thiamine deficiency impairs the integrity of the blood‐brain barrier, thereby enabling iron to pass through and accumulate in the brain. '

Hesperidin

The following study explains how hesperidin, through multiple mechanisms of action protects against damage caused by heavy metals such as iron, while also crossing the BBB :

sciencedirect.com/science/a...

Here is a relevant quote :

' Hesperidin (HSD) and hesperitin (HST) are flavonoids from citrus fruits, and systematic investigations suggest their potential to combat the molecular alterations and toxicities induced by THMs. They mitigate heavy metal toxicity via antioxidant, anti-inflammatory, and anti-apoptotic effects via scavenging free radicals and modulation of ATPases, cell cycle proteins, and various cellular signaling pathways, including Nrf2/HO-1/ARE, PI3K/mTOR/Akt, MAPK/caspase-3/Bax/Bcl-2, iNOS/NF-κB/TNF-α/COX-2. '

In this next study it is suggested that hesperidin crosses the BBB and chelates excess iron from the brain :

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl....

Here is a relevant quote :

' According to our results, hesperidin, and coumarin, as two natural compounds, have a high potential in iron chelating. Correspondingly, these compounds cross the blood-brain barrier and chelate excess iron in brain tissue. '

While the results of the MJFF funded investigation into the iron chelating drug that can cross the blood brain barrier is not available yet, it should be soon since the investigation was funded in 2021.

Once again, melatonin shows another good reason why PwP should consider it as an adjunctive treatment beyond the abundance of reasons I have previously given.

While MTH seem like three safe choices for dealing with iron overload in the brain based on their established safety profiles, but they are not alone when it comes to dealing with iron overload in the brain. A few others that have shown potential in this area are :

R- Alpha Lipoic Acid (R-ALA)

Curcumin

Quercetin

Berberine

Milk Thistle / Silymarin

Astaxanthin

Conclusion

Iron overload in the brain is detrimental to PwP and everyone else. It can cause symptoms similar to PD and can also be protected against via MTH chelation and protective mechanisms of action that can ameliorate the damaging effects of excess iron in the brain. Depleted thiamine in the brain damages the blood brain barrier (BBB) and that action allows the accumulation of iron in the brain which is damaging to the brain. The three supplements mentioned above, MTH, can work against iron overload in the brain and other critical areas of the body and all three cross the BBB. Other supplements mentioned above can also have iron chelating activities and or help to alleviate the damage caused by iron overload.

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Lots to absorb.

What would be your take on iron chelation therapy?

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As discussed in one of the links, it can be time consuming and can also present side effects. The body produces melatonin in many areas and has melatonin receptors throughout, so melatonin gotten from the sun and red light therapy seem like a more natural way to go sans side effects. The following discusses how there is room for improvement in iron chelation and the supplements I mentioned can meet some of these improvement ideas :

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

Hesperidin is a well tolerated supplement with a broad spectrum of potential health effects that is derived from multiple citrus fruit peels .

Many PwP are already taking thiamine which can help repair the BBB as can melatonin which will help prevent iron accumulation in the brain as well as the subsequent damage from that accumulation. All three supplements are inexpensive and available over the counter with very good safety profiles while being convenient to use.

Potential side effects of iron chelation therapy :

childrenshospital.org/treat...

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LagLag37 in reply to chartist

You may have already mentioned this, but how do you know if you have too much iron in your brain? 🥊

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chartist in reply to LagLag37

I didn't mention that, but it is called Quantitative susceptibility mapping (QSM) to show how much iron is in different areas of the brain as discussed here :

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl....

And here :

healthline.com/health-news/....

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If a refrigerator magnet sticks to your head...

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LindaP50 in reply to chartist

When hubby had Lyme Disease they asked if he wanted to do chelation therapy for heavy metals which we opted out. Did have cupping done.

Hubby is on HB1 and takes Melatonin (not regularly as of yet).

Good article.

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chartist in reply to LindaP50

What is "HB1"?

Thank you for saying so!

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LindaP50 in reply to chartist

Ha! HB1 is my unintended short hand for HDT Vitamin B1. 🙃

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rebtar

if iron levels in the brain are a problem for people with PD, what does one do with low ferritin levels?

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chartist in reply to rebtar

A google search will tell you how to raise ferritin levels, but I was discussing more specifically, damaging iron accumulation in the brain of PwP.

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MarionP

So does too much iron in the brain ever mean not enough iron in blood, or enough iron in the brain mean too little iron in the blood? If so how do we find that out and what do we do about it? Does fixing one screw up the other?

Does the body recycle iron, accumulate excesses somewhere, or eliminate it? And is where the iron is make any difference for that question?

Is donating blood ever a way to modify either of them?

Does increasing or decreasing the amount of food I eat made in a cast iron skillet make any difference, help or hurt?

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chartist in reply to MarionP

In people with PD it has been seen that you can have low blood iron, yet still have high brain iron in the SNpc.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl....

A relevant quote :

' Brain iron has been previously found elevated in the substantia nigra pars compacta (SNpc), but not in other brain regions, of Parkinson’s disease (PD) patients. However, iron in circulation has been recently observed to be lower than normal in PD patients. '

The problems seems to be the accumulation of iron in the brain and more significantly in the SNpc, which can be caused by a disturbed blood brain barrier or other reasons.

Art

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Bolt_Upright

Great write up Art!

I am a somewhat believer in iron chelation to reduce or stop PD progression. I use Berberine and Curcumin and maybe some other things...

But I did share this last year and it is worth looking at: Trial of Deferiprone in Parkinson’s Disease (Iron Chelation) Complete: Looks like it made PD worse... (2022) healthunlocked.com/cure-par...

So... I would not try to use Deferiprone as a fix.

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Berberine Is a Promising Alkaloid to Attenuate Iron Toxicity Efficiently in Iron-Overloaded Mice 2022 healthunlocked.com/cure-par...

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chartist in reply to Bolt_Upright

Thanks , Bolt!

I was leaning toward the supplement side because of potential side effects of iron chelation drugs. Not everyone sees those side effects, but they are a possibility :

drugs.com/sfx/deferiprone-s...

I would really like to

see what the MJFF funded investigation shows to see if this is a worthwhile pursuit or not. Perhaps this is a contributing factor in the benefit that PwP report from regular thiamine usage.

Art

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Sydney75

Very interesting, alot to take in, my HWP has been slightly low iron for several years. Because he having surgery soon, I was supplementing 26mg iron to get his level up before surgery because there is going to be some blood loss. Now I don't know if that is a good idea. Lots of reading here. Thanks for the research.

-Syd

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chartist in reply to Sydney75

Sydney,

Perhaps his doctor will give him an infusion just prior to the surgery :

blood.gov.au/system/files/d...

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Sydney75 in reply to chartist

Thanks I am going to ask.

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Sydney75

This article supports the use of Thiamine (B1) to protect the brain from iron overload. The article is related to alcoholic dementia but dicusses B1 issue.

Thiamine deficiency impairs the integrity of the blood-brain barrier, thereby enabling iron to pass through and accumulate in the brain. This hypothesis is based on findings from animal, translational, and neuroimaging studies, discussed in this article.

alz-journals.onlinelibrary....

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chartist in reply to Sydney75

It isn't yet known if reducing brain iron in humans will improve PD symptoms. That is only proven in animals. That information could come from the MJFF funding of the investigation of the iron chelating drug that I linked to. I mentioned the multiple supplements because they all have very good safety profiles and in some instances such as thiamine and melatonin have also shown beneficial effects in PwP. Hesperidin has also shown benefit in PD animal models.

Art

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Smittybear7 in reply to chartist

I take 500mg of b1. My blood test came back 100 and I was told it was too high.Any suggestions?I wanted to try to increase it but am confused. It looks like b1 could help with the iron issue..Any suggestions would be appreciated. Is the test for iron in the brain dangerous? Is it covered by insurance?Thank you

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chartist in reply to Smittybear7

The test is similar to a standard MRI.

Art

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Smittybear7 in reply to chartist

Do they use dye?

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Despe in reply to chartist

Art,

Pardon my ignorance, is there a specific test for brain iron overload? Hubby's plasma iron is extremely low so our FP put him on Ferrum. He had recently a prostate surgery.

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chartist in reply to Despe

Yes, the test is called Quantitative susceptibility mapping (QSM), a type of MRI.

Art

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Despe in reply to chartist

Thanks, Art. Would our FP prescribe it if we ask him to?

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chartist in reply to Despe

I don't know.

Art

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Bolt_Upright

If anybody likes to read: Mechanisms of Ferroptosis and Emerging Links to the Pathology of Neurodegenerative Diseases 2022 ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

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chartist in reply to Bolt_Upright

Both melatonin and hesperidin are inhibitors of ferroptosis and that could be very useful in this usage for iron overload in the brain.

Art

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Bolt_Upright

I decided to go through my stack and do a quick Google to figure out which things I use are iron chelators. I did not put a lot of time into this, so I could be wrong on some. Please do your own research:

Probably Yes - Berberine

Probably Yes - Curcumin

Probably Yes - Luteolin

Probably Yes - Magnolia Extract

Probably Yes - NAC

Probably Yes - Pistachios: zenodo.org/record/581579

Maybe - lactobacillus Casei Shirota (Yakult)

Probably No - Broccoli Sprouts

Probably No - L-Methylfolate

Probably No - Lithium Orotate

Probably No - Methylene Blue

Probably No - Niacin

Probably No - Oxytocin

Probably No - Palmitoylethanolamide

Probably No - Taurine

Probably No - Vitamin C

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chartist in reply to Bolt_Upright

Do you have any iron left? 🙃🙃

Art

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Bolt_Upright in reply to chartist

You are one of the people who helped me the most, I think, Art. I eat about half a cup of pistachios every single morning. Pistachios check A LOT of boxes.

That is half a cup with shells on.

Thanks.

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chartist in reply to Bolt_Upright

I'm still doing pistachios too! It has pretty good stuff in it!

Art

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Turnipbarrow in reply to Bolt_Upright

My homeopath told us that there is some research that pistachios help make melatonin . This fits with the iron chelation. My hwp eats a handful at night and at other times during the day.

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chartist in reply to Turnipbarrow

Pistachios actually contain melatonin along with bacteria capable of producing butyrate and fiber to feed the good gut microbes.

Art

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Reetpetitio in reply to chartist

Are the delicious salted roasted ones okay, or should we be eating the virtuous and decidely less tasty raw unsalted ones? [crosses fingers]

chartist profile image
chartist in reply to Reetpetitio

I eat the sea salted ones and yes, they are definitely tastier.

Art

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Bolt_Upright in reply to Reetpetitio

It is a myth that salt is bad for you: We've long been told salt is bad for you. Is it really?

usatoday.com/story/life/hea...

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Reetpetitio in reply to Bolt_Upright

Thanks. I wasn't actually thinking about salt; I agree it's been demonised (although I probably do eat too much by most standards!). The reason I rarely eat pistachios is I read there are aflatoxin issues; but when it comes to raw vs roasted what I was thinking about was heat sensitive nutrients, antioxidant degradation, acylamide formation, and all the fun stuff that happens when you heat oil :)

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Bolt_Upright in reply to Reetpetitio

Ah, next level thinking. Good points.

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Ob6842 in reply to Bolt_Upright

Do you take methylene blue? I have some liquid drops, but wasn’t sure about taking it. How much do you take, and what has been your experience with it ?

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Bolt_Upright in reply to Ob6842

So I was taking Methylene Blue for quite a while. Probably over a year. I just stopped using it in early January. My tongue was sore all the time. I don't know if it was the MB I was using, or if it was a brand of MB I used a while back and I had not recovered, but I decided to give MB a break and have not restarted. My tongue does not hurt anymore.

Here is a post with that story and where I think the best MB can be bought (it is powder. Much cheaper and better): NootropicsExpert highly recommends CZTL Methylene Blue (And I do also) healthunlocked.com/cure-par...

Drugs.com states you should not use Methylene Blue with Levadopa: Drug Interactions between levodopa and methylene blue drugs.com/drug-interactions... With MB it is hard to say whether they are talking about intravenous or or use. Please do your own research, I have a high school degree.

Check this post also: Methylene Blue: Biohacker's Delight, or Playing With Fire? Chris Masterjohn, PhD is Not Too Keen on MB :( Insanely Detailed Video! healthunlocked.com/cure-par...

Here is a playlist with all the MB videos you would ever want to watch: youtube.com/playlist?list=P...

I like this lady's video: How to Mix Your Methylene Blue - Cutting Edge Health Podcast youtube.com/watch?

So did MB do anything for me? I don't know. I may start up again, or I may not. The science seems good to my high school educated brain.

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JohnPepper

I have not had time to read all this information but, I must express the one most important fact! PD is caused by the lack of sufficient GDNF in the brain! Everything else is incidental!

Reetpetitio profile image
Reetpetitio in reply to JohnPepper

What causes the lack of sufficient GDNF, do we know?

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JohnPepper in reply to Reetpetitio

My guess is the lack of sufficient physical exercise, but that is only my guess!

Reetpetitio profile image
Reetpetitio in reply to JohnPepper

I just asked ChatGPT; sounds like inflammation is a cause, so an anti-inflammatory diet plus anti-inflammatory herbs/supplements is going to be very important.

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JohnPepper in reply to Reetpetitio

What is GPT?

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LindaP50 in reply to JohnPepper

michaeljfox.org/causes

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Despe in reply to LindaP50

Hi Linda,

Add on the list of MJF AGENT ORANGE! 😁

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Reetpetitio

Very interesting! Another reason to take milkthistle - essential for liver support when taking any meds and in middle age / later years - and curcumin, hugely helpful for many conditions including muscle pain.

See more here -

lifeextension.com/magazine/....

I know there are varying opinions on melatonin and personally I like to find alternatives.

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chartist in reply to Reetpetitio

I also listed 6 other supplements that would likely work against iron overload in the brain, for a total of 9.

Art

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Reetpetitio in reply to chartist

Thank you Art. Do you think we should just assume that with neurological symptoms there's likely to be iron overload, and supplement accordingly?

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chartist in reply to Reetpetitio

Studies suggest that iron in the brain increases with age and increases even more with PD, so it seems worth asking your doctor to test your brain iron level so you can determine if supplementing might be appropriate. If you happen to have a good or low iron brain level, reducing it more may not be a good choice as too low of a brain iron level is not good either.

Art

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Reetpetitio in reply to chartist

Thanks Art. Are you a doctor in the US? I don't have a PD dx and here in the UK I can't see a request like this going down well; the NHS has been run into the ground over the last decade and is seriously overwhelmed. I take milkthistle and curcumin for other reasons so I guess I'll just park the iron concern given I don't know where I am with it and cross my fingers!

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gomelgo

I lived for almost 20 years in a house with the well where there was way too much iron in the water. I have intuitively felt for years that it was causing me health problems. Could that water have caused my Parkinson's? Also, please clarify what MTH means. Is it a combination of melatonin, thiamine and hesperidin? Is there such a combination available in pill form as a supplement?

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chartist in reply to gomelgo

Yes, you are correct about MTH being those three. I have never seen those three in one combination pill. I posted those three and the other six supplements in case one was not compatible, then there could be others to choose from. Some people do not tolerate melatonin, so I think it is good to have other options. On the other hand, thiamine seems to be highly tolerable for most people and my experience with hesperidin is that it is highly tolerable.

Art

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gomelgo in reply to chartist

Thanks Art! Could you say more about Hesperidin specifically? What is the purpose and which symptom does it benefit mostly? I have heard of it before, but vaguely. Not sure what "highly tolerable" means, is that like little to no "side effects"? Do you think the iron in the water where I lived for many years could have pushed me to be more likely to get PD?

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chartist in reply to gomelgo

Yes, Hesperidin (HES) is generally well tolerated with minimal side effects . HES has many positive health effect of which anti iron overload in the brain is one. It is also an antioxidant with anti inflammatory effects, anti diabetic effects, cardiovascular protective effects and more recently the anticancer effects of HES has been shown in studies.

HES has also shown potential to be beneficial in PD through its neuroprotective effects as discussed here :

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/369...

HES has shown anticancer activities via its antioxidative stress effects, anti inflammatory effects, apoptosis and cell cycle arrest effects as discussed here :

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl....

And this study which is more specific to breast cancer that suggests that HES may have synergy with Doxorubicin :

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/369...

A relevant quote :

' These findings strongly suggest that Hsd possesses a potential synergistic effect that can be developed to enhance the anticancer efficacy of DOX and reduce the risks of chemotherapy use in highly metastatic breast cancer. '

HES seems to be a useful supplement for helping to maintain our health aside from its ability to chelate iron in the brain and offer protective effects against the damage that iron overload can cause.

Art

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gomelgo in reply to chartist

Adding it to my stack now. Any dosage recs?

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gomelgo in reply to gomelgo

Also, I have had low blood pressure for nearly a year now. So maybe this will help with that too?

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chartist in reply to gomelgo

I don't think I would take hesperidin with low blood pressure as it is thought to have blood pressure lowering effects in some people. It didn't have that effect on me though. If you do take it, you should definitely monitor your blood pressure very frequently while testing it.

Art

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chartist in reply to gomelgo

A few people have reported that B1 increased their blood pressure and one of those three was a very significant increase.

Art

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gomelgo in reply to chartist

I have been taking 3000 c with bioflavinoids (so hesperidin might be overkill?) I also take a b complex, which of course includes Thiamine. Maybe if I just add Melatonin, I'll be up to snuff. Also since I have a challenge of LOW BP, I guess I'm not at risk of b1 PB issues?

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chartist in reply to gomelgo

If you're taking bioflavonoids, yes it seems like hesperidin, a bioflavonoid, wouldn't be needed.

Art

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chartist in reply to gomelgo

When I was testing it, I went as high as 4 grams , but now I do 2 grams . The bottle recommends up to 1 gram.

Art

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kaypeeoh

For me the earliest sign of PD was hemorrhoids. Dr Google said hesperidin could help. I'd gotten into the habit of injecting myself with Ozone gas. I could inject myself IV or pump it into my colon. From the colon the gas went to the liver, same as if injecting the gas into a vein. It helped a lot more than hemorrhoid creams. Now I see that hesperidin can help by chelating iron. So two good reasons and no more Ozone gas farts.

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Despe in reply to kaypeeoh

😂

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Turnipbarrow

Thank you so much for this information! Will reread it more thoroughly

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HopeForce1

my simple question for this interesting post is: does this mean that introducting these supplements (MTH) in daily stack should lead to some improvements in PD symptoms ?

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chartist in reply to HopeForce1

HF1

That answer won't be known until the MJFF funded investigation announces their results. For now, there are only animal studies to support this idea. The melatonin has already shown benefit in PwP in at least three human studies. Thiamine is reported by many on this forum and around the world to also benefit PwP. Hesperidin only has invitro and animal studies to support its use for PD.

Art

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gomelgo

I asked my

Neurologist about the iron in the brain possibility and she said it would have shown up on my brain mri. Is that right?

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CaseyInsights in reply to gomelgo

See my comment on Iron showing up in a brain scan below 👇🏾

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chartist in reply to gomelgo

Yes.

Art

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CaseyInsights

it is possible for Iron to show up on a brain scan. See here:

“…In the current study, researchers used a new technique, called quantitative susceptibility mapping,* to map iron levels in the brain based on MRI (magnetic resonance imaging) scans. They found that iron accumulation in the hippocampus and thalamus brain regions was associated with poor memory and thinking scores. Iron in the putamen brain region was associated with poor movement scores, suggesting a more advanced stage of the disease.”

So did she/he use this technique 🤷🏽‍♂️

Iron in brain shows cognitive decline in people with Parkinson’s

ucl.ac.uk/news/2020/feb/iro...

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gomelgo in reply to CaseyInsights

Sounds like the answer is yes, however there's nothing definitive here, which seems to be the case for pretty much anything related to Parkinson's.

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House2

Look into IP 6 also. Iron chelator

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