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W8:1 Epiphanies and confusion

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So yesterday I spent a bit of time googling running stuff. I seem to do that a lot these days. I had some Christmas vouchers and bought a couple of books about running, too: Born to Run: The Hidden Tribe; and Your Pace or Mine? What Running Taught Me About Life, Laughter and Coming Last. Obsessive? Moi?!

Anyway. So I stumbled across Phil Maffetone, as anyone who spends 5 minutes with google looking at running will probably do and had a little look at his 180 Formula and MAF Method. Very basically, it’s about training slower to go faster, being kind to yourself, not stressing the body, decreasing pain and injury. Phil should feel right at home at C25k.

I also did a bit more reading about heart rate zones generally, and slow running. I read something somewhere about our running ‘gears’, and I think I have been running along using only two, when actually, there are probably five, because I’m driving a bog standard vehicle here. So I made the decision that for the next run, I would go slow, trying to stick at around 130-140bpm as per the Maffetone Method. I also thought last night that as I can go in to work a little later today and want to climb tomorrow, I would run his morning.

So the alarm went off at 6am. It was dark outside and the snooze went on sharpish. The alarm woke me again and I thought, nope, not going, changed the alarm to 7am. Then lay there looking at the ceiling and found myself rolling out of bed and pulling on the calf sleeves. Instead of music, I put on a guided run on the Nike Run Club App ‘Just a Run’ and left the house, complete with pink high vis strappy thing.

I went slow. So slow. For the first time in this process, I was conversational. I found the low gear! And it was soooo easy. At no point did I feel tired, or stressed, or worried. I just ran... and ran... and ran... ‘Just a Run’ was brilliant, it really talked to me and I smiled and made comments as I ran, which may have looked odd, but when you are running that slow you are past the point of worrying about how you look. I even waved at people and said a cheery hello today! I smiled and thanked drivers! There were minutes of no talking, and no notification when I passed each km. I tried to look at the Fitbit a few times and tap the screen to see how my heart rate was doing, but my eyes are too old to see that tiny moving screen. I figured I must be doing less than 140bpm, because my breathing was easy and I felt so good.

Michael said stop but the NRC session hadn’t quite finished, so I ran a bit longer and then realised I had run for 30 minutes. And I could have run 10 more, I wasn’t tired. I was buzzing.

Got home and thought about not looking at the stats, but couldn’t resist taking a peek. I was a bit taken aback by the fact that my average bpm was still 161! Yet my pace was over 90 seconds per km slower than usual and it didn’t feel hard. So I’m a bit confused. If I want to stay under 140 (and probably, under 130) to stay in zone 2 and maximise aerobic efficiency, I’d have to walk/run to stay there.

It was a great run. The stats don’t deter from that. It was by far my best, most enjoyable run to date, whilst being the slowest. I guess I will continue to go slower, and try some more of these guided sessions/podcasts/silence. And do a bit more thinking about the heart rate zone stuff...

Oh, the photo? That is Dean Karnazes, who ran nonstop for 350 hours in 80hrs44 in 2005, did 50 marathons in 50 days, then after the last marathon, ran the 1300 miles home. A few other achievements, too. The man is a machine. His body never receives signals to stop, as he doesn’t have a lactate threshold. He doesn’t get fatigued, or suffer cramps. It’s only falling asleep that stops him. 😳

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mafee profile image
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oh ... my......golly.......gosh......what an interesting read!! WOW thank you - real food for thought

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What a loser, I am not at all envious of him... I'll have him know I (caps / bold etc) can run for 8 minutes so there....

Well done on your enjoyable run. When I get up earlier, my heart rate tends to be higher to start with. Maybe you should look at the differentials rather than just the running figure in case it makes a difference.

Very interesting post as always!

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ktsokGraduate in reply toCouchpotato2

Thanks CP!

Heart rate was 56bpm when got up, felt very relaxed and not stressed at all during the run. I guess I’ll have to experiment with going even slower!

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate

Well done on the run... but just stick to the plan and your running times...

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ktsokGraduate in reply toOldfloss

Yes, Oldfloss... (hangs head)

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Couchpotato2Graduate in reply toktsok

ticked off.. oops

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JundalGraduate in reply toCouchpotato2

You'll find as you run more, your fitness increases and your heart rate drops, meaning zone 2 is within reach, it just might take a few months to get there! Also, body weight effects heart rate during exercise. Try reading 'finding ultra' by rich hall, an ultra endurance triathlete, excellent read.

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ktsokGraduate in reply toJundal

Cool, thank you, I’ll take a look at Rich Hall. Taking a few months at a slow but nice pace to get to zone 2 sounds much more enjoyable than trying to find my 130bpm pace! 🙏

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JundalGraduate in reply toktsok

Sorry, it was rich roll, got the name wrong lol!

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate

Tut tut... I should think so! xx

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ktsokGraduate in reply toOldfloss

😜

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate in reply toktsok

Yes.. it's okay... I get on my own nerves sometimes... being sensible is really hard for me!!!

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ktsokGraduate in reply toOldfloss

I wasn’t thinking that at all. It’s great having a sensible voice of reason somewhere. Heaven knows I need it sometimes 🙂

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate in reply toktsok

Me too! Like my husband refusing to let me out of the house for a run....after I had Bronchitis..until I had not coughed at all within 48 hours.. :)

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ktsokGraduate in reply toOldfloss

So strict!!!

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UnfitNoMoreGraduate

I thought you’d stolen a picture of me from somewhere for a minute. Yeah right 😂

Great run, I love “just a run” and use it a lot... coach Bennett is amazing. The guided runs turn off the audio stats so that you’re coached rather than focussing on time and distance.

BPM zones aren’t the same for all of us... so I wouldn’t dwell on that too much, and as you progress your slow gets faster allowing you to discover a new slow again... so 140 will come at some point, if you want it to. The BPM numbers are usually based on a percentage of maximum heart rate (which is an estimate unless you undergo testing) so your 160 may already be the equivalent to 140 for many, we are getting fitter, but we aren’t seasoned runners yet.

Some Nike runs will have you “finish on empty” but the regular ones have the aim of finishing with lots left, the latest one “recovery run” with headspace aims to have you finish with more than you started with!

There’s nothing more amazing than an easy run. Well done and enjoy many more.

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ktsokGraduate in reply toUnfitNoMore

Thanks UNM. I’m sure you will give Dean a run for his money 😆

I think Coach Bennett was your suggestion so thanks for the heads up. I was prepared to not enjoy an enthusiastic American but he was great and removing the audio stats was refreshing.

I have doing a LOT of reading and calculating regarding BPM. Even if my MHR is at the absolute upper threshold of possibility then 70% is 144.9 - and 145bpm is the absolute maximum according to the MAF Method. So I need to be going even slower if I want to try and use this method. We are talking proper 🐌 pace. As your aerobic efficiency improves, you are able to run faster at the same bpm, but it takes a couple of months to start seeing the improvement... if the runs feel like it did today, and the risk of injury is lessened, sounds good to me. But I can wave the 30minute 5k goodbye lol 🙂

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UnfitNoMoreGraduate in reply toktsok

Yeah... I think if I could walk the first 20 miles ahead of him and we started running I could destroy him over a marathon 😂

You can try running with Mo Farah on there too... I enjoyed that one. Then there’s Kipchoge but I think his runs are 80 minutes plus 😂

You’re right about the heart rate thing, it’s a case of waiting for that fitness so you can run at that heart rate, probably at about the speed you ran today, which I doubt I’m at yet, but it will come. Until then, brisk walks on rest days may put me in that zone more of the time I think. I can do 5k in 30... but most runs I try to get to 5k in 36, and they’re my favourite runs... knocking down the PB time is for every 4-6 weeks or so for me, most of my fast runs will be short or intervals. If you keep that kind of running mentality your fast will get faster and that 30 will come... but most importantly you’ll go further and have more fun!

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ktsokGraduate in reply toUnfitNoMore

Yeah. I reckon I could crush him with a 20 mile head start too 🤣

Good advice above. I am relinquishing any ambition to run the 5k in 30 that may (ahem) have been bubbling and just want to enjoy running, so it becomes embedded in my routine.

Will try Mo, too. I looked at it but I thought he might be a bit too quick for me!

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UnfitNoMoreGraduate in reply toktsok

Most of them are just about running easy... yes, he can hold a conversation while lapping us going flat out in the real world, but in your ears he’s right beside you and can’t outrun you! There’s generally paces in the comments if it’s more than just a recovery run. The headspace runs are amazing too.

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ktsokGraduate in reply toUnfitNoMore

Lots to explore then! Excellent 🙂

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KallyfudgeGraduate

Wow well done you found it :D ! The realisation that you are running and feeling OK and in fact great was the best thing ever, and its hard to find because we all want to go fast. I remember the very run where I looked around me and thought " I'm running and feel great" since then I've been an addict. There are still bad runs, don't be disheartened, they're a bit of a mystery, but I've never regretted doing a run.

I wouldn't worry about the HR, are you sure about your max? I would wait till after C25K and then go for a pb on a race to see what your max is, it still wont be quite your max but close. And use a HR strap. My watch measures my max running HR up to 160 sometimes 140, when actually its going 190+ at end of race. That might be why.

Well done!

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ktsokGraduate in reply toKallyfudge

Thanks Kally! It’s my first experience of really enjoying running. I had a big grin on my face for a lot of the run and the negative voices were completely silent. Bliss 😊

The heart rate thing could be the watch is synchronising with the pace of your feet (or movement) and not your heart. Several weeks ago I posted about my heart rate soaring alarmingly to 180bpm on occasions and after many excellent replies it became clear that it is a problem with many wrist based sensors. Next time you run make sure the watch strap is relatively tight - I feel sure the stats will plummet based on the description of how you were feeling 😊

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Ok, that’s interesting. I’ll give it a go, thank you! 🙂

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Ceri1969Graduate

I was the same, as you get fitter your heart rate will fall. But forget about all the technical stuff. Just do the plan. Well done xx

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jadevictoriaGraduate

I’m just reading this now but if you’re still active on the forum, we need to be friends 😂 you’re as nerdy over running as I am and I love it. Hope you’re still running!

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