New podcast series: running clothing for beginners

[Anniemurph]

Following on from my post yesterday ( healthunlocked.com/couchto5... ) , where it became apparent that I am not the only one who has issues with my running apparel, I propose a new series of podcasts to accompany the C25K podcasts. Running (sorry) in parallel with Weeks 1-9, where you actually learn to run, you could also learn about the importance of choosing the correct clothing, clothing for all weathers, and the tips and tricks to make life easier. Here are my initial suggestions: please help me create our new programme to benefit all newcomers (and indeed those like me who have been running for some time and should know better).

Week 1: Trainers, gait analysis, hobbit feet, 'normal' feet, sweaty feet, and a NSFW section on Black Toenails.

Week 2: Support: subdivided into M and F. M (need some help here) covering support for the boys, F looking at sports bras: how to get into one, and just as importantly, how to get out of one when you are tired, hot and sweaty. The propensity of zipped versions to spring undone at inappropriate moments.

Week 3: Leggings - see previous post, but also to cover thermal versions thereof

Week 4: Tops - wicking, layering, waterproof, showerproof, race, freebies, cycling, long, short, fitted, sleeves-with-thumbholes. Etc.

Week 5: Socks. Oh, the joy of socks.

Week 6: Injuries. Not for the faint-hearted, needs to come with a warning, also a 'see your GP if in any doubt NOT Dr. Google' but could cover the major running injuries. Another NSFW section covering chafing, the Paula Radcliffes, and other awful things that occur while running.

Week 7: Entering races. What to expect. Warnings of the addiction. Warnings about the credit card drain. Horrific stories about the queues for the loo, setting off too fast, hollow laughter at the course description of 'undulating', and wild applause at the end as you cross that finish line and collect the bling.

Week 8: Gadgets. Deffo need some help here, and this would need to be updated probably weekly. Tricky.

Week 9: Catch all - covering hints and tips, reviews, cheesy running tracks such as Eye of the Tiger, treadmill vs the great outdoors - what else?

What do you reckon? A choice of narrators? Who would you suggest? What else needs to be covered?

(PS it would be fun to do this, but I'm not really suggesting it )

[GoogleMe Graduate]

Knickers! Huge great Lycra armoured knickers 'cos bellies wobble as uncomfortably as breasts.

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to GoogleMe]

Yes! Although there needs to be a whole sub-section on underpinnings because some favour matronly cover-alls, like me (Primark 3-for-£5 black lycra, if anyone's interested), some run commando, some prefer a thong, some shell out for professional Runderwear - there's all sorts of options and preferences.

[roseabi]

Excellent work!

Personally I am fond of gently clashing colours for my running outfits, I feel this is Important

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to roseabi]

Ooh, I forgot colours! Good point! Neon, brights, toning, clashing, reflective, patterned, sloganed, sponsored, how to get your name on your top for a race, fancy dress (those rhinos!), club shirts...

[Wantorun2013 Graduate in reply to Anniemurph]

This ones a whole new topic !!😂🌈

[Wantorun2013 Graduate in reply to roseabi]

Most definitely 👍😂

[Hidden]

I have no insight to offer - but this sounds like it would be a brilliant Podcast!!!

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to Hidden]

I don't have insight, Hidden I just float the idea and wait for all the brilliant suggestions to roll in What surprised you about running kit when you started?

[Hidden in reply to Anniemurph]

Well - from a male perspective....how Tight Boxer Shorts were a godsend!!

Other than that, i am not so far into running to come across that many issues, but i will certainly report them as/when they crop up!

Headphones could be another subsection...Wired or Wireless?!

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to Hidden]

Aha! There you go - that would fit into the section on Support.

And Headphones into the section on Gadgets. Personally, I got some wireless bone conducting ones recently, Aftershokz, and they are fantastic. I love them because I can still hear what's going on around me, traffic and such, but I can hear my music as well. The sound quality isn't what I'd choose to listen to music to, but hey, I'm running, so I'd miss things anyway.

[Hidden in reply to Anniemurph]

Yes - i bought some cheapish wireless headphones (£20) to see how i would get on, before paying out for some decent ones - best thing i have bought, be it for running or otherwise, its liberating not having to worry about the wires!!

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to Hidden]

I used to get in a right tangle with wires

[Hidden in reply to Anniemurph]

I caught the wire once, and flung my phone out my pocket and down the road!!!

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to Hidden]

Noooo! Hope it survived!

[Hidden in reply to Anniemurph]

Depends what you class as "survived", screen smashed, but the phone worked...survived, but pretty terminal.

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to Hidden]

Aaarghhh We should add arm bands/flip belts etc. into the list then.

[Hidden in reply to Anniemurph]

Yes - along with bungee cords, bubble wrap, and zip up pockets!

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to Hidden]

Bubble wrap...?

[Hidden in reply to Anniemurph]

To soften the landing for flying phones!

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to Hidden]

[Wantorun2013 Graduate in reply to Hidden]

What make are they because lm getting in a right old mess when running😝🎧

[Hidden in reply to Wantorun2013]

These are the badboys....

amazon.co.uk/Bluetooth-Earp...

[Bluebirdrunner Graduate in reply to Hidden]

Oooh im going to put them on my xmas list😊

[Hidden in reply to Bluebirdrunner]

Best £20 i have ever spent! Battery lasts about 8-10 hours, and the sound is perfectly fine.

[Bluebirdrunner Graduate in reply to Hidden]

I am now in possesion of these bad boys..

They fit nicely, and its great to be wireless.

Thanks for this😊x

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to Bluebirdrunner]

They are a really good price, but I don't like things in my ears, so be cheeky and ask for wireless bone conducting ones

milletsports.co.uk/product/...

[Bluebirdrunner Graduate in reply to Anniemurph]

Ha... £99 😨Annie..I will put up with the in ear ones for £20...

[Hidden in reply to Anniemurph]

£99.00??? Somebodies doing well...

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to Hidden]

No, I was really lucky and got mine from a friend who didn't get on with them I'd definitely save up and buy them again though!

[Pgib in reply to Hidden]

Thanks, they look as if they would fit small ears 🙂

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to Pgib]

Yes, mine are for small heads

[Wantorun2013 Graduate]

😂😂😂great post and long over due!!!!

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to Wantorun2013]

What would you add? What have you learned since you started? What advice would you give someone starting?

[JiminyCricket]

How about alternatives to lycra? Ive just started this week and am partial to running in a skirt.

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to JiminyCricket]

Skirts are great! There's a virtual running friend of mine whose friend makes running dresses and skirts, and they look really comfortable. There are skorts as well. The only alternatives I don't personally like are cotton, just because they get so heavy and clingy when they get sweaty.

[JiminyCricket in reply to Anniemurph]

Oh wow I didn't know a running skirt was even a thing!! Will be investigating!

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to JiminyCricket]

Yes, ordinary skirts and the skort combo. Have fun!

[Motherin Graduate in reply to Anniemurph]

What a brilliant idea....i would be interested in these. Does she have a website?

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to Motherin]

I don't think so, I think she just enjoys sewing and made them for her friend. I can ask though!

[HeleneCorsa Graduate in reply to Anniemurph]

Ooh I like that idea for the summer!

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to HeleneCorsa]

Skirts are a lot cooler. I don't wear them because of chub rub

[HeleneCorsa Graduate in reply to Anniemurph]

Presumably, unless it's a skort, you need special knickers underneath, like the ones we used to wear in PE at school back in the day?

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to HeleneCorsa]

I don't think it would be wise to run commando

If you look at the very top of this thread, there is a comment about the differing types of knickers. I already wear those huge granny knickers because I find them best for containing my jiggly belly and not fighting with my leggings (apart from the other day!) but possibly if you do wear a skirt you might need these as well. Think of the Marilyn Monroe effect if a large lorry went by!

[HeleneCorsa Graduate in reply to Anniemurph]

Yes definitely, granny knickers all the way! Suffered an unexpected Monroe blast quite recently when walking over a grate near work, near passing cardinals, and it wasn't one of my best moments!

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to HeleneCorsa]

Oh no! I hope they weren't looking

[Bluebirdrunner Graduate]

Ha, great post Anniemurph.😊

Running caps ( to keep the rain out of your eyes or glasses)

The joy of a buff when its really cold.

To carry a donut shaped water bottle or not...

I wish I hadn't bothered carrying water as I don't bother now..but it was a bit like a lifeline during the c25k plan, and I would gratefully sip some on my warm down walk..

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to Bluebirdrunner]

Oh, yes - and glasses, contacts, sunnies, caps, hats, hats with a hole for a pony tail, buffs (cold and hot weather, the wearing of).

Water - bottles vs hydration packs - and then we get into nutrition! There could be a set of Plus podcasts for this series as well

[Bluebirdrunner Graduate in reply to Anniemurph]

I'd like a hat with a pony tail..for when I'm prancing...

I have sensible shortish hair that doesn't swish😊x

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to Bluebirdrunner]

I had a pony tail up until this morning. It didn't swish, though. It was a bit spiky and uncooperative. I never had the chance to put it through the hole in my freebie hat

[LittleNell83 in reply to Anniemurph]

In London, I saw a girl running with a literal pony tail coming from the back of her shorts..... I did a double take

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to LittleNell83]

Ha! I was going to write Fab! - and then I thought more. Wouldn't it swish against the back of your legs and irritate you?

[Oldfloss Administrator Graduate]

I am with GoogleMe and the knickers

Streamlined and taut... that is the look I am going for ..ha ha!!! Not working so far!

And.. the brighter the better, gear... out there and flaunting it.. as roseabi says

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to Oldfloss]

Armourplated, streamlined knickers? Excellent! Me too!

You do look very streamlined though, dear Floss, and I agree we should all be nice and bright There should be no excuse for us not to be seen on the roads. Oh, there's something else to add to Gadgets - lights and reflective doohickery for night running!

[Oldfloss Administrator Graduate in reply to Anniemurph]

Too kind Annie x

The Accessories section will be huge....!! Brilliant

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to Oldfloss]

It's almost a separate set of podcasts on its own

[Bluebirdrunner Graduate in reply to Anniemurph]

Ha, yes and running is supposed to be a free activity😆x

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to Bluebirdrunner]

Whoever told you that???

[roseabi in reply to Oldfloss]

Definitely - you have to go out there looking fabulous!

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to roseabi]

I bet you always look fabulous, roseabi !

[roseabi in reply to Anniemurph]

Ha I wish...

[roseabi in reply to roseabi]

... very kind of you to think so though!

Sorry, where are my manners?

xx

[Gabby08 Graduate]

Five months in, I’ve mastered most of the basics but I still can’t get back out of that flaming bra for love nor money! This made me laugh out loud 😂😂😂

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to Gabby08]

It's not easy, is it? And the more you panic the tighter it sticks! We'd have to get someone to read this with a very calm voice, someone who can inspire confidence and determination to succeed. Alternatively, I am starting to consider employing a full-time support crew, to run with me and carry everything I need, and one of the team could be available to unhook me afterwards. They would have to stand at a discreet distance, and they would be paid danger money, and their insurance would have to be good, but I'm starting to think it may be the only solution.

[Gabby08 Graduate in reply to Anniemurph]

You’re a genius! This is a fantastic idea. Otherwise, I can only go running when there’s someone else at home, for fear of being trapped in the flipping contraption. Surely only double-joined people or super-bendy yoga types can get them off? Alternatively, I’m going to have to get to know my neighbours a bit better to I can knock on the door and ask them to unhook me (danger money probably still a requirement)...

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to Gabby08]

Ah, a new yoga class!

I wonder if Minor Injuries Units or local fire stations have any statistics on trapped runners?

[LittleNell83 in reply to Gabby08]

That's why I love my front fastening bra. You do need to be careful of catching yourself in the zip though.

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to LittleNell83]

Ouch!

[HeleneCorsa Graduate in reply to Gabby08]

When I was (very) pregnant with my second I had to knock on my neighbour's door to ask for help in getting out of a pair of overknee boots. I tried every possible manoeuvre possible in my condition but there was no way I could get free of them. My husband was working overnight so it was either that or sleep in them. It has been the cause of much mirth ever since.

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to HeleneCorsa]

Brilliant! Thank goodness for nice neighbours!

[Sandyscroll]

I still haven't got a clue! I've got the trainers sorted, the bra is still a struggle after an outing, but for the rest I'm still just wearing whatever I already had in the wardrobe. I have to admit that I'm beginning to get a bit chilly in cheap leggings and a 'basics' t-shirt, so I'm going to have to learn fast and buy the right stuff. I'm absolutely certain that your programme with have me kitted out in no time. I could even be your first graduate!🏆... Maybe. 😉

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to Sandyscroll]

There's nothing wrong with cheap leggings and t-shirts! Trainers and bras are important, but Sainsburys, Tesco, Primark, H&M, Mountain Warehouse, Aldi and Lidl all sell excellent running kit at low prices. My favourite jacket is an Aldi cycling jacket - pockets and a longer back, fleecy lined, reflective bits - it's great! You can of course spend loads, but you don't have to. Have fun!

[Sandyscroll in reply to Anniemurph]

I can see a week of shopping fun on the horizon for next week. This could all work out very well. Airwicking, lightweight, reflective is good...slippage, chaffing, strangulation is bad. We'll see how I do. 👖👕👙😀

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to Sandyscroll]

Woohoo - shopping!!! Let us know how you get on

[IgaT Graduate]

I would appreciate some info regarding Parkruns. What is it? When to start? Should I wait till the end of programme? Is it free? How much it usually cost? Sources where to find parkruns near you. Etc.

I have some answers, but I'm sure I wasn't the only one wondering.

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to IgaT]

Parkrun is fantastic! It's free, there is no pressure, you can start right now, because you can walk bits if you need to and loads of other people will be walking as well, and there is always a person at the back, a volunteer called the Tailrunner who makes sure no one ever comes last and will happily chat all the way round Go to this website parkrun.org.uk/ and find out more. Enjoy!

[IgaT Graduate in reply to Anniemurph]

Thanks. Till now the one parkrun I found near me need a small payment. I know that I can join at every point of C25K. At least after being in this forum for quite some time, I know it

Thanks for website, I'll check it out.

[IgaT Graduate]

Re week8: wireless earphones, fitbit or other watches, belts for your beloved house keys and other necessities, something for water on the run (I don't know much about it, as my runs are still too short). Maybe basics of running gear if you go with yoir dog/cat/tiger?

I think somewhere, maybe with injuries a section about stretching, maybe also foam rolling...

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to IgaT]

Yes, great additions. Actually, this is turning into a serious list!

There are a couple of recommendations for earphones further up the list. If you search the forum for watches, you will get loads of info. Basically, my understanding is that a fitbit etc. is a fitness tracker, but if you want to look at your running stats you will at some point need a watch because it gives much more detail. Canicross is a whole different matter I know nothing about, and I refuse to get involved with tigers

Foam rollers are fiendish. Great, but painful. You can find videos on YouTube, but my experience is, go very slowly, and only ever roll muscle.

[IgaT Graduate in reply to Anniemurph]

My questions where more of ideas what else to add. For now, I have all the answers I need, as this forum is great source of information. However, I greatly appreciate your time for answering my questions.

And some other things it's just a method of trial and error

What else could be added: apps to register your runs (Endomondo, Strava, etc)

[LookNannyruns Graduate]

Oh how I laughed, I am a compulsive/ obsessive buyer of the right gear for my activities. Each of my current exercise regimes comes with its own expenses... running socks ,yoga ,socks,walking socks gardening, socks, similar range of trainers and shoes.

Then there are the bags of all things shiny for Bollywood dance and all things spanish for Flamenco

Amazon and eBay positively rub their hands in glee at the sound of “oh that sounds like fun I think I’ll try that”

Being a couch potato would most certainly be cheaper but not as much fun .

However I’m a tad worried that the bathroom cabinet is beginning to be as varied ,what with rubs, creams ,plasters, supports, painkillers, vitamin supplements...

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to LookNannyruns]

Oooh, shiny things! Bollywood and Flamenco, how fantastic!

And socks...

I agree that we need a section on potions and lotions though My daughters eyed my massive tub of Vaseline askance, until I told them it's my go-to running gloop - pre-blister, post-blister, pre-chafing, post-chafing, cold-weather face protector - you name it, it probably works!

[Bluebirdrunner Graduate in reply to Anniemurph]

Was just going to suggest moisturiser as a must for the face....😊

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to Bluebirdrunner]

Sun screen in summer - mustn't forget that!

[Bluebirdrunner Graduate in reply to Anniemurph]

Ha, you just caught me oogling the wireless headphones on amazon....drool😉xx

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to Bluebirdrunner]

Tee hee xx

[Theziggy Graduate]

Nipple burn and how to treat it - both M + F

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to Theziggy]

Ah... I've seen people at races come in across the line with bloody patches on their shirts, and winced. I think you can get little plasters, can't you? Although how that works if you have hair, I don't know

[Theziggy Graduate in reply to Anniemurph]

Just suggesting it as a topic for the podcasts. I used to put the cord/wire for my headphones under my running shirt, it could cause a lot of irritation - though I could have used a plaster to stick it in a (non irritating) place!

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to Theziggy]

I used to feed the cord through my t-shirt as well, to save me getting tangled up in it. Although sometimes I'd forget, when I was trying to take everything off at the end, and that just made matters worse

[Theziggy Graduate in reply to Anniemurph]

You sound a lot like me Annie.

Lotta work involved in doing these podcasts

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to Theziggy]

I have also tried to take my shirt off before taking my sunnies and headphones off. It's a wonder I survive, honestly.

[HeleneCorsa Graduate]

Maybe we could have a sticky thread on one of these themes each week, where everyone can post their queries, their answers and their top tips?

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to HeleneCorsa]

You might want to suggest that in a separate post and see what the admins think. They might think that there's enough discussion already, or that people can already just ask a question - or they might think it's a brilliant idea!

[Motherin Graduate]

Now that the wetter weather is hear I'd love advice on waterproof jacket please?

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to Motherin]

Good idea! Personally I don't wear one, because I think anything designed to keep water out will also keep water in and I sweat a lot when I run. I just make sure my electronics are reasonably well protected and aim not to run in heavy rain where possible.

[Motherin Graduate in reply to Anniemurph]

Yep I'm not keen on the thought of running in the rain as I'm recovering from a stress fracture. So my confidence isn't great. Will take on board your "sweating" comment though. Thanks

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to Motherin]

Sorry, just seen this. I hope your recovery goes well and I can understand why you might be cautious, especially if it's slippery underfoot.

[Theziggy Graduate in reply to Anniemurph]

I have tried a few and as you say the waterproof jackets also keep the water in. The water resistant ones may be Ok for drizzle. I don't want to spend a small fortune on one either. As for electronics - after having an mp3 player absolutely saturated (it did dry out Ok), I put electronic things in a little zip-loc bag just open enough to let the lead out and that keeps the water at bay.I also try to avoid running in monsoons.

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to Theziggy]

Good advice. I saw someone who also advised putting a couple of those little sachets of silica gel in too, to avoid condensation from body heat, but I don't know if this works or not.

[AlMorr Ambassador Graduate]

OK, what you wear in the great outdoors is important, the season of the year as well counts, like the term 'Hobbit feet' it means hairy feet, I have hairy legs, only a few hairs on my feet, although they say having hair on your feet is a sign of good circulation. I hate and rarely run or cycle in long trousers, I do that in shorts, I don't like my legs restricted in any way. If you watch any running events from a 5k to a marathon the vast majority of runners are in shorts.

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to AlMorr]

Good point about not feeling restricted, and whatever makes you feel comfortable is good. I was doing some running tourism recently and took my standard running kit but felt a bit uncomfortable as everyone else was in dull-coloured baggy 3/4s and baggy t-shirts, sometimes covered with a plastic raincoat - and all this in 29C. Yuk! But that's what they are used to so that's fine for them and I must have looked very odd in my neon form-fitting lycra.

My feet are very large and broad, but they get me round

[AlMorr Ambassador Graduate in reply to Anniemurph]

That's the main thing getting you round the course, must be murder running in 29c heat, for people in the UK 29c is about 84f in old money, really hot.

[ju-ju- Graduate]

I love this idea, brilliant!!!

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to ju-ju-]

Complicated, though!

[ju-ju- Graduate]

I think Rignold s vids may cover some of this, if he ever gets round to finishing them!!!!!!

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to ju-ju-]

Oooh, Rig! We haven't mentioned the s-word anywhere yet!

[Rignold in reply to ju-ju-]

Just need to finish the audio voice overs and the first 4 weeks worth will be ready to go. It turned out to be a bit more of a technical challenge than I anticipated, tbh.

No excuse I know. Will pull my finger out.

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to Rignold]

That will be brilliant. I'm really looking forward to these.

I don't think there's any time pressure from anyone. You are doing this off your own bat, so we are grateful

[CT2017 Graduate]

Suggestions for aspects ; Keys: where do you put them ,?if you want to travel lite, shame : what to do when you go A over T on the zebra crossing!

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to CT2017]

Good point about keys. Many leggings (for women, at least) only have a teeny tiny pocket so I need to take some type of carrier bag with me for the hundred-and-one things I need. And what happened on the zebra crossing? Hope you were okay!

[Pgib in reply to CT2017]

I have mine on a string round my neck, which i put under my tee shirt. I use this when i go for walk, but only once for running so far (started this morning). It seemed to work but i dont know if it would for longer runs.

[Pgib]

There is clearly a lot for me to learn! I have just started - did my first c25k run this morning.... Finally

[Anniemurph Graduate in reply to Pgib]

Well done for starting, and welcome to the programme! You will soon work out what works best for you