So I contracted Influenza A and was pretty ill for 4 days but still not so good despite 6 days on Tamiflu.
Wondering if anyone has
1 had influenza and how it went
2 if my decision to take Tamiflu for 10 instead of 5 days is reasonable ( my docs have always doubled the time for antibiotics for bacterial infections)
3 Not sure how to determine when I am no longer contagious as pcr and similar tests remain positive for a long time
Thx
Skipro
Oh no - so sorry you had to experience this - and also I can't answer this question- but what I can do is pray for your quickest recovery
I would double the Tamiflu time if I could. We *know* our immune systems don't function well. I've always extended treatment on any infectious thing I get, and IMO it's helped. 5 days of Tamiflu was shown to tamp down most of the virus, to where one's body could finish removing it, in the normal immunity population. Not us.
Why are you concerned about how long you are contagious? You aren't working anymore, correct? If you are thinking of self re-infection, you should already be changing pillowcases daily, airing out top bedding, not using same glass or utensil twice, wiping off commonly touched surfaces. Or wear a surgical mask, to prevent breathing out on to surfaces, and more comfortable IMO than an N95 type.
Awe just my wife isn't taking it seriously so I'm guessing she'll get it from me and by then just when I think I'm better she'll give it back to me because I have no B cells , no ability to make antibodies, my CD4:8 ratio is 0.5 so not great Tcell help and I'm not due for immunoglobulins for a couple weeks.
Hi Skipro,
I'm so sorry to hear this
Tamiflu even in healthy ppl who start the medication within 24 to 48 hours as directed, has only shown to shorten the flu by a day or 2 at most. Although healthy people are most contagious in their first 3 to 4 days after infection, people with weakened immune systems can remain contagious with the flu for up to several weeks after developing symptoms. " The CDC recommends self isolating until your fever is normal for 24 hours without taking fever-reducing medication. You can also consider your energy level and symptom severity. If you have at least 90% of your energy back and your symptoms have decreased by 75%, you are probably safe to be around others. "
I hope this information helps . I will keep you in my prayers, and hope your infection resolves soon. 🙏
clltopics.org/ChronInflam/F...
cdc.gov/flu/about/keyfacts.htm
webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-1776...
health.mountsinai.org/blog/....
Awe thank you.
I could barely get out of bed and do much for 3 days. I needed an inhaler multiple times per day for 5 days. everything was far more sore than usual and had a horrific HA. Max temp was 99.6 usually runs 97, but since starting Ven I've taken close to 3000mg Tylenol plus Celebrex 200 mg 1-2 per day snd an occasional Tramadol for back and muscle pain.
I'm on day 8 of Tamiflu to try to make sure I clear the virus and hopefully don't get another 6 week post viral syndrome because at least this one was treatable with antiviral
I started Ven up again yesterday at 200 and 300 today
Everything was gone on day 6 except head ache and a tiny bit of mucous. I have worked pretty hard on projects for 8 -9 hours 3 consecutive days but no attempts at hikes. Max temp now around 98
Thx for all the articles! and prayers
skipro
sorry to hear that as well. I am a huge fan of Dr Peter McCullough and the late Vladimir Zalenko. They both offer great protocols to help .
Ivermectin
Vitamin c and D3
Curcumin
Zinc
Are these the same doctors that spread unproven cures for Covid? 🤔
no, those are the doctors who saved millions of lives and are true hero’s that didn’t bow down.
They personally helped myself and my family members remain healthy , as a frontline worker, I had to be prepared with tested and proven drugs and vitamins.
Unfortunately my other family members that felt the same as you, are now suffering from an array of illnesses.
God bless
"Conventional medicine relies on methods proved to be safe and effective with carefully designed trials and research. But, many complementary and alternative treatments lack solid research on which to base sound deci-sions. The dangers and possible benefits of many complementary and alternative treatments remain unproved.
While the whole medical systems differ in their philosophical approaches to the prevention and treatment of disease, they share a number of common elements. These systems are based on the belief that one's body has the power to heal itself. Healing often involves marshalling multiple techniques that involve the mind, body and spirit. Treatment is often individualized and dependent on the presenting symptoms."
Note:
I have used alternative treatments in the past so I am open to them. I saw a TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) Doctor for 5 years before treatment. I am open to both. My own family was split on preventive measures for Covid. I chose a plan of protection after listening to my own doctors and oncologists who are schooled in science and also added supplements including zinc and vitamin C. If your path worked for you then I am happy for you. 😊
(By the way, I am the only one in my family that did not get Covid. 🙂 )
Jrugg,
The article that Katie-LMHC-Artist referenced, Complementary and Alternative Healthcare: Is it Evidence-based?
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl... is well worth a read. It finishes,
"Those who have had success with one alternative therapy for a minor ailment may be convinced of its efficacy and persuaded to extrapolate that success to some other alternative therapy for a more serious, possibly life-threatening illness. For this reason, critics contend that therapies that rely on the placebo effect to define success are very dangerous. Scientifically unsupported health practices can lead individuals to forgo effective treatments and this can be referred to as “opportunity cost”. Individuals who spend large amounts of time and money on ineffective treatments may be left with precious little of either, and may forfeit the opportunity to obtain treatments that could be more helpful. More research must be undertaken to prove the effectiveness of complimentary therapies before they can be incorporated in formal medical practice. Sufficient evidence is required for biological or clinical plausibility in order to justify the investment of time and energy in exploring the merits of alternative medicine. After all, human life is precious and no chances can be taken to comprise the health of any individual."
Doctors Peter McCulloch and the late Vladimir Zalenko both promoted the use of hydrochloquine based COVID-19 therapy, which was proven ineffective early in the pandemic.
The adoption of ivermectin for use against COVID-19, came out of Australian in vitro research on monkey kidney cells. I was dubious about the claims, but began to think there might be something to it, when news broke that the largest study supporting its effectiveness, was based on faked study data and the paper was withdrawn. When that paper and a few other questionable/poor quality papers were removed from meta-analyses, the evidence for ivermectin's effectivness pretty well vanished. Quite a few high quality studies followed and failed to find a worthwhile effect, but by then some high profile individuals had become highly invested in promoting and profiteering from it.
See: healthunlocked.com/cllsuppo... and the summary of my following of the ivermectin story here healthunlocked.com/cllsuppo...
Neil
"During the COVID-19 pandemic, McCullough advocated for early treatment using the discredited treatments hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin,[25][26][24] criticized the response of the National Institutes of Health and the Food and Drug Administration,[25] dissented from public health recommendations,[27][24][28] and contributed to COVID-19 misinformation.[29][30][31]".
24 Gorski, David (May 10, 2021). "The COVID-19 "Vaccine Holocaust": The latest antivaccine messaging". Science-Based Medicine.
25 McGinley, Laurie; Dawsey, Josh (July 10, 2020). "Touting criticized study, White House presses FDA to authorize hydroxychloroquine — again". The Washington Post.
26 Iati, Marisa (November 20, 2020). "Senate holds hearing on hydroxychloroquine, despite no evidence it works against covid-19". The Washington Post.
27 "Joe Rogan interview with Peter McCullough contains multiple false and unsubstantiated claims about the COVID-19 pandemic and vaccines". Health Feedback. December 23, 2021. Retrieved November 26, 2022.
28 Sharp, Rachel (December 17, 2021). "Joe Rogan podcast hosts doctor known for pushing debunked claims about Covid-19". The Independent. Retrieved November 26, 2022.
29 Banet, Rémi (April 9, 2021). "US cardiologist makes false claims about Covid-19 vaccination". Agence France-Presse.
30 Teoh, Flora, ed. (June 4, 2021). "Vaccines are a safer alternative for acquiring immunity compared to natural infection and COVID-19 survivors benefit from getting vaccinated, contrary to claims by Peter McCullough". Health Feedback.
31 Ecarma, Caleb (July 8, 2021). "The Right-Wing Vaccine Rebellion Has Arrived on Campus". Vanity Fair. One Fox News medical expert, Peter McCullough, M.D., went so far as to steal the Joe Rogan argument, asserting on Wednesday that no college-age person in America should receive the COVID-19 vaccine. "Overall, the equation is very unfavorable for vaccination of anyone below age 30," he said during an appearance on Laura Ingraham's program Wednesday night. "Unless we really have a compelling case, no one under age 30 should receive any one of these vaccines."
[emphasis added]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter...
Look it up if you want to see a nightmare in the making.
And don't forget Nicki Minaj and her tweet that went around the world:
@NICKIMINAJ
"My cousin in Trinidad won’t get the vaccine cuz his friend got it & became impotent. His testicles became swollen. His friend was weeks away from getting married, now the girl called off the wedding. So just pray on it & make sure you’re comfortable with ur decision, not bullied"
5:44 PM · Sep 13, 2021
A little humor! 😂😂😂
Katie
👍😊
Don’t stand so close to me!
