I'm looking for a true residential mental illness treatment center. Does anybody have any experience? I've been in really horrible shape lately. I've completely lost myself. I feel like furniture. All my interests are gone. I feel im gone.I used to read a lot, intellectually curious, movies/TV, museums and art. Now I don't care about anything. I can't function, I can't work. I feel like a piece of furniture. Ive had depression for 30 years and its out of control. It's created a huge unequal marriage between my wife and I. And we're in serious trouble. Now I'm afraid she's leaving me. I think I need to go away to get better. I've had Suicidal ideation also, but I have a 12 year old so that's out of the question. Any help please.
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I think residential treatment is a good idea. I know there is a highly regarded one in Westchester (I believe on Bloomingdale Rd. in White Plains.). I believe it is run by Columbia Presbyterian or Weill Cornell. I think if you google "residential psiachiatric treatment in White Plains,NY it will come up.
That's actually an in patient hospital, otherwise known as a Psychiatric ward. I was there for 49 days last year. It was an utter nightmare. I came out worse than when I went in. There is no therapy. There is no treatment. It's strictly crisis management. I went in on 4 medications that they took me off of. Gave me half a course of ECT, arbitrarily stopped it and released me the next day on zero meds.
What I'm talking about is a real treatment center with therapists and group therapy to actually help people get better like the Ranch in Pennsylvania as an example.
Josh - Type in Westchester Behavioral Center. It is run by Columbia University Medical Center and Weill Cornell. It does not sound like anything you described. Maybe there are two different facilities at the same location. The address is 21 Bloomingdale Rd.
Thanks for following up for me, I appreciate it. But that is the same place. I also grew up near there. They do have an outpatient clinic that I know someone goes too. Maybe that's what you're seeing but that's where I was alright. I also have a lit of PTSD from there. Thanks again for your help and looking out for me
Have you checked out McCleans in Boston. I do not have personal experience. They just have a long, interesting history of good mental health care. (Also a long list of famous patients.) They are an extension of Harvard and Brigham.
I’ve tried to encourage Josh. I understand pain. But I’m waiting for Josh to try just one thing to help himself. If he can post on here, he can do something with his son. One of my suggestions. He can lend someone else support without it being part of his own discussion. That means just reading someone’s post and trying to develop empathy by answering it. I’m reading post after post without seeing him trying anything. Not one thing. If he were laying in bed with the covers over his head (I’ve been there) he would not be able to post here. I also suggested, because he writes, to start a diary/journal in which he tries to answer some of his own questions. Josh is privileged. He has multiple weekly therapy sessions. He admits to being a defendant personality. He needs to stop posting and make some decisions about his life. You are not understanding what’s going on here if you see none of this. I want to hear Josh report just one step towards becoming more independent. The problem here is not depression. It really is not. It’s a very defendant/narcissistic personality talking. That’s it.
I am truly sorry if I've offended anyone. However, some of this is unfair. I have been helpful. To say I'm narcissistic is also unfair. But i do have a dependency problem. I admit that. You are going by words on a message board. You do not actually know me. I do journal, I do plenty with my son. I am not as privileged as you think. I am heavily in debt because of my therapy. I am currently on unpaid leave and borrowing money because I cannot work because of depression/anxiety. Everybody here knows pain. I am in a residential treatment that has independent apartments, but my therapist said I should look for a higher level of care, hence my post. I am trying. We all share a mental illness, and we can all empathize with each other. I have written posts supporting other people (im not going to go back and pull them all up) and have made many friends here I talk to offline.That said, I wish everyone well and hope they can recover from our awful diseases. Being as sick as we are, sometimes we lose ourselves and are just looking for help.
and that goes exactly for you too. I have only read 3 of your comments and in 2 of them you have called people names. I understand you are depressed, but that does not give you bad manners and the right to call others names
Sadly for some you have to work through the pain, break it down, trample the hurts underfoot, then get up, stand tall, and build yourself up. It seems to me too many people put obstacles in the way, make excuses. No pain, No gain. If you wanting healing, you must begin with YOU! If you're not prepared to try yourself, no one can help.
If only I were strong Dansing, but I'm not - I rely totally on my faith and prayers. Encouragement is good, but being realistic and pointing out the pitfalls, is far more helpful. That place where you and so any others on this forum are at present, the depression, the hopelessness, lack of understanding, the pain and anguish, I spent 30 years going through. If only someone had been firmer with me, who knows I may have regained my life much earlier. (I will be 75 in 1 month) Sadly modern technology wasn't around as much in 1970/80's as it is now, and we kept our feeling much to ourselves - there was no HealthUnlocked, and not many support groups around as there are now. Healing starts with the self! When we take responsibility for ourselves we achieve far more than by sugar coated words. I know this, I have been there, done that and worn the many TShirts. You can too!
sorry, dependent, not defendant. ❤️I wish you the best Josh.
As for me? I’m just someone who tried to gently help until I realized that Josh does not want or use help offered here. My issues with anxiety and depression I’ve never discussed. In all the times I’ve answered Josh…never did he ever evidence any curiosity about me or my issues. He simply never asked. It’s the words that you do not hear from Josh that are diagnostic of his problems with dependency and narcissism. I know exactly what I’m talking about. I’m professionally trained to know.
Maybe he has BPD and is seeking attention? Sometimes meds like antidepressants, namely zoloft(SSRI) make you unempathetic. Either way psychology, CBT are the best for recovery. I know what you mean, you try and help someone, again and again and there seems to be no willingness to try what you suggest. It literally is a waste of your time because you could of been helping someone else that needed help, that wasn't getting any. I have caught these BPD people out too. They need to do D.B.T.
I do not have BPD or seeking attention. I do do DBT. I have depression/anxiety just like everyone else here. You have no idea how many suggestions I have tried, what I've tried to do. You don't know me, I'm sure you have not read every post I've put on here. You don't know how hard i work and just because you post a suggestion you assume either I follow it to letter or not. I've been doing DBT for almost a year. I take classes in it. It's hard. Or don't you know? You automatically assume i havent. Thats very myopic and unhelpful. Have you done i dont know. But im not going to assume whether you need to or not. I know people who have left this board bc of people like you. They come here looking for help and answers and get unhelpful, assumptions, criticisms and attitude. Ive had treatment resistant depression for 30 years. You don't know how hard I've worked, my suicidal ideation. And why would you caught out (I assume you meant call) someone with BPD. What are you 7 yrs old? It's a serious disease many people have, people I know, like my mother in law. People here are really sick. It's Obvious you don't know hard people work to better themselves because you automatically make assumptions about the impact of your words. Yes words. Grow up, be an adult. Treat people with respect. This is supposed to be a place of healing, not judgement. That goes for you too hidden. You don't get to decide who's more sick than someone else and pretend to know how hard they've worked. Some people never get better no matter how hard they work. We can't all be like you.
I am so upset about a couple of responses you received. Hope you read my reply to one of them. They are both assuming a lot and trying to make diagnoses. Nobody on here should be judging anyone else. We all have our own issues unique to only ourselves and as you said should respect each other. Nobody but you knows how you feel, what you have been through or what you have or haven't tried. I sincerely hope you find the treatment you seek and are able to heal. Take care.
Hi Josh. I didn't say you had BPD, I was merely suggesting to someone that perhaps that is a reason for your behaviour/actions. Okay, wow if you do DBT, usually only those with BPD will benefit from that. DBT is also used usually unsuccessfully to treat those with C-PTSD/PTSD. Correction, I have not given you any advice at all. My advice was if those that have BPD should do DBT and I never said you did have BPD. Yes I have not read every post, and never intend to and never intend to get to know someone via posts. infact only just read a few. Infact I will not even respond to the rest of your message to me because it has no relevance to me. You are the one making assumptions, not me. I HAVE NOT MADE A SINGLE ASSUMPTION. Just re-read my message. Nowhere did I diagnose you or advise you on the form of treatment for you to get better. Every day I help the seriously mentally ill to regain their lives. 100% better, off their psych meds and fully functional in society. Problem is psychiatry is one of the most fundamentally dysfunctional branches of medicine. Most are ignorant/ undereducated or arrogant. I estimate something like 70% of patients have an incorrect diagnosis, therefore their treatment is not going to help them much at all and they will more than likely never recover. If you take classes in DBT, either the provider doesn't know what they are doing and here I am suggesting something, I suggest you try DBT elsewhere ONCE YOU HAVE FINISHED YOUR CURRENT COURSE. For the fact that you find it hard to do DBT, shows you have may have BPD or trauma. For a psychiatrist to direct you to DBT, they believe you have BPD or trauma. I am horrified that you did ECT. ECT does not help depression or anxiety. TMS does. Again I do not make assumptions, criticisms and have attitude. You are so wrong, so very wrong. I know all about treatment resistant depression. It's the incorrect treatment that usually make depression resistant. I am assuming you have had all your bloods done. Checked vit D levels, Mg, Fe and your thyroid?? A road to recovery involves many facets. There is usually not one pathway. Anyway, I have read to the end of your message. A recap. You and not me have made all the assumptions. You, not me is behaving like a 7 year old child. And what you have said and done shows your total disrespect, whereas I had nothing but respect for those that are trapped in this horrendous nightmare of poor mental health help and management. Those with childhood trauma need to do EMDR. Those people grow up and become adults and the mind has forgotten the abuse but the body remembers and manifests itself as depression and anxiety. All the meds and med combinations and ECT and TMS and DBT and CBT will not make them fully well again. Psychology with a great psychologist who is trauma focussed and does EMDR will be of the most benefit. Again this is not advice to you, not judging you saying you have childhood trauma, this is a generalized comment from someone that has studied psychiatry and neuroscience and am getting people who have been unwell for 10, 20 even30 years to live life to the full. Totally off their Schiziophrenic meds because they did not have schizophrenia. Please do not waste you time replying to me, I do not need an apology, I do not need more criticism and more assumptions thrown my way. Wish you all the best on your long road to recovery. If you do want to get better and I am hearing you do and you are very unwell, perhaps why you jumped to false conclusions that I was judging you and I was recommending things which I wasn't, which is quite common for those that have a negative outlook, which is again is common in depression and low self esteem, seek the services of a good trauma focussed psychologist, eat healthy and walk 30 minutes a day, twice a day. Get your bloods checked if you haven't done so to rule out any physiological problems that might be causing depression. Also believe it or not, those with undiagnosed ADHD are misdiagnosed with schizo affective, schizophrenia, bipolar 2 disorder, depression and anxiety. Here's another fact, the mental health system can actually traumatize people further and make them sicker and I am not surprised that you were treated so poorly in hospital, taken off all your meds and given ECT and then released. My daughter had several similar incidents. She even had a narc psychiatrist tell her she didn't want her as a patient, she will never get better and she has personality disorder and then discharge her, hoping she would kill herself. Also psych wrote so much rubbish and lies, that no other psych would take her on as a patient and was refused admittance to pysch hospital. Nope, the psych has the personality disorder and my daughter after being so unwell and needing fulltime care for almost 10 years is now working, happy functioning, no depression, no anxiety. My daughter could not even attend secondary school, that's how unwell she was. Anyway better go and I wont be back. I do have feelings and am quite upset with what you called me and how you criticized me, but inspite of that, as a grown adult I did not insult you or call you names like you did to me. Just dawned on me, this is my first post to you, my last post was to hidden. How could I of given you advice and made assumptions when I did not even message/post you.
Your soul is black.This is how you want to help.We can only give suggestions, or share our experiences, we are not doctors..are you a Dr to give diagnosis snd maybe I didn't know?What you have against people with BPD anyway? It's a disease..not s joke
I have nothing against those with BPD. Their illness is serious and how the hell did you come up with the assumption it's a joke. Don't bother replying, it was a rhetorical question. Yes I have studied medicine. No, my soul is not black, quite the opposite, i guarantee you that 100%. I am an empath.
So what if you studied medicine! So have I , but it doesn't give you the right to try and diagnose someone you don't even know. And if you don't want to help, why the hell are you on here?? We are here to support each other, not pass judgment or lecture anyone. And to say someone 'needs' a certain treatment is a big assumption on your part. What most of us try to do on here is say what has worked for us. Obviously what works for one will not necessarily work for another.
bethelbee i think you better read my other responses so that you can wake up and realise that I had not given someone a diagnosis. Yes that is right we are here to support each other and not pass judgement or lecture anyone, so could you please follow this yourself. I have not judged or lectured or diagnosed anyone. So what if I have studied medicine. It is significant in the fact that I did not want to but had to to try and help those that were not helped via the mental health system. I am a scientist not a doctor and it is ridiculous that is the length you have to go to get people better, to study medicine and waste all that time and money. And that is how I know how useless a lot of psychiatrists and doctors are. And no it is not a big assumption or even a little one to know that BPD need to do DBT. That is what you are taught and learn in psychiatry and is common knowledge in the field, not an assumption. You have not studied medicine, I guarantee that otherwise I would not of gotten the response I did from you. If you cannot read properly, criticize and lecture others that have done no wrong, you cannot have studied medicine and I call you a liar. You did not even see my point of view, a generalized medical point of view. Anyway I am done with this nonsense. I will not respond again because it is people like you being nasty and judgemental telling knowledgeable educated people a load of crap and upsetting them and causing me to respond and waste my valuable time, where as I could of actually of helped someone. Anyway I do hope Josh reads and re reads my comment and seeks the help he needs to recover and live a full and productive life. As I can see, you a keyboard warrior dishing out irrelevant, nasty and judgemental comments, not only to me but to Hidden as well. Your actions can actually drive someone to suicide. Here is some advice for you1. stop lying 2. be compassionate and non judgemental 3. stop jumping to conclusions. Normally i don't give advice but was giving you a taste of your own medicine, so you can see how to feels and now imagine your assumption was 100% inaccurate and you posted crap to someone. Not nice is it. don't answer,. Sick of wasting my time
Nobody knows exactly what someone else is going through unless you are in their shoes! And for you to assume certain things about someone you basically don't know lacks compassion. You don't know what he has or hasn't tried. You can't make a diagnosis ; you are not his doctor or therapist. Why would you expect him to ask about you and your problems?
What I can say for Josh is that he is in a rough place. I've carried on a private thread with him for some time. What needs to be understood is that where he is, it takes everything he has to be able to interact here. He asks me about my situation with every response. If he doesn't take your advice it's because he's tried it. I've given him plenty of suggestions and he's tried them. You cannot think that he's been dealing with this for so long and not tried normal treatment. You're mad that he isn't receptive to the mental health equivalent to 'have you tried turning it off and on again?' If you're here, be cognizant to the situation of others. If you want more of a dialogue, PM him. Don't expect him to go into a back and forth in a post like that. Hell the reason our chat started is because I posted and he identified and PM'd me as a source of support.
Josh, I'm so sorry you are feeling this way and that you've been through so much. This is way out of my league, and I hope there are others who can give you pertinent advice. I went through a very dark period for 2 years and my anxiety was so intense that I had suicidal ideations. I hope you can find an appropriate residential treatment center. If I've learned anything in my 62 years of life, its that nothing ever stays the same. Most of the time circumstances improve for the better. Hold on and do what you can to find a treatment center. Best of luck to you!
Thank you very much, and I hope you're OK too. I have tried so many things, meds, therapies, I know how devastating anxiety can be and hope you've got it under control. The suicidal ideation is the worst, as you know.
I was in such a bad shape, I tought I will die..for weeks I was waking up with anxiety attacks and panick attacks. I was on Zoloft which made my situation worst..
I tried many meds..my pshiatrist is a nice guy and was listening to me, to my symptoms, until we found a med that helped me stop the attacks.
Glory to God!
I even was in a detox center to get rid of benzos...
The ce nter was very nice, nice people, and nice patients.
We had activities. Tv, good food.
We made friends there..
Wishing you to find your peace and a good place for help
If people are going to criticize others (which is different from defending them from a toxic poster/troll), can you please communicate your criticism in a PM instead?
IMO.. It's not good for this community to argue on public forums, and you can still get your point across in a PM. (which helps to avoid pointless arguments with other members here)
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