Hallucinogens

Ok so I’m just throwing this out there.

I was “diagnosed” with major depressive disorder/ anxiety /dysthymia years ago.

However I show many racey symptoms of bipolar illness that I read about.

All of these mental hinderances are a tough road on their own for the average person to succumb to right?

Now what about people who have dabbled in mind altering hallucinogens waaaay prior to ever seeking help for mental illness.

The question is now.....are we more prepared for the horrors of the mind having the previous experience of things like lsd and dmt usage?

Is depression different when you’ve been to that place mentally.

Please share🙏❤️

[Isinatra]

It sounds like you had some bad experiences using hallucinogens. Do you take into account the users that didn’t have bad experiences and comparing them to the long term effects on a&d as well. Seems like a scientific study (if you could find one) would be more helpful. It’s hard to compare oneself to oneself. 🧐

[Hidden in reply to Isinatra]

Actually sometimes I “lose it” less or at least I convince myself because I’ve been to some far reaches of my own mind. It wasn’t always scary

[Isinatra in reply to Hidden]

My personal experiences with hallucinogens, a long time ago, was in no way the experience I’ve had with a&d. Sometimes I wonder if the A&d was exacerbated by lsd, but found no studies on it. So it is something to just throw out for discussion, but have no expectations to find any answers. I get what you’re asking.❤️🏄‍♀️

[Isinatra in reply to Isinatra]

You may still be having flashbacks. I still see colors sometimes from 50 years ago.

[Hidden in reply to Isinatra]

Yes I also wonder if I jinxed my system for lack of better term and now I’m stuck with it but can also find the beauty in the awareness of things around me. However, I had multiple suicides on my mother’s side of the family from mental illness so it just makes me go 🤔🤔🤔.

However, I doubt they ever did lsd.

And they were still in a bad place.

Thank you for sharing.

I’m always seeking something friend

[Isinatra in reply to Hidden]

🤝

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Neuroplasticity...that learned response from your younger years is hard to "unlearn"... but new thinking on "rewiring" the brain is changing opinion.....i read somewhere mild doses of neurotropics can increase bdnf .....but again experimental advice with differing results due to age and poor diets....frontiersin.org/articles/10...

[Hidden in reply to Hidden]

a life full of purpose whatever that be.......gives one tremendous strenght and pulls anyone out of the mud and ditch...........find purpose and u will fly through the so called challenges because u will a powerhouse rather than a deflated cupcake they want u to be.................everyone has challenges ahhhh but purpose.........step aside world.........defeat the purpose defeat the man........build purpose fires up the man or woman and makes getting out of bed.........easy..........like those with a prothesis-- death or??? what prothesis- get out of my way..........

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could be sports could be a club or activities or charities......anyting from keepiing us (me of courses) from thinking about the past or here and now despite what they say.........reading music fill your life with quaity........forget the dang diagnosis.............so i have a "bald spot " ooooh so what to my real freinds...........

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Thank you!

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partner............so many people have helped me besides play ing baseball all alone gets points for endurance but ...............yehehhe lots more fun iwth comrades.............grab yer glove and bat - practice is on at 2~~!!!!!! come on pitcher fire one of them red hots right in there...........never too late for a first or second childhood.............we ..............earned it.............and so have UUUUUUUUUU

pot luck!! bring whatever u want!!!!

[Hidden in reply to Hidden]

That makes me feel so good to hear that! Thank you so much. Great wisdom 🙏

[Saffron_Spice]

That is a very interesting train of thought and inquiry. I'm not sure how it could be answered. I know I thoroughly enjoyed hallucinogens and have wondered if taking more therapeutically in a controlled situation would be helpful. There have been studies in this area....

If I were to guess, I'd say hallucinogens helped more than harmed my mind, but also that my mind was open and inviting to the hallucinogenic experience and tolerated it well. Then there is the pot use... I think it makes mental and emotional illness less severe, when used moderately and therapeutically. This gives much to ponder.

Take care.

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100% agree.

Thank you!

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This is also a big reason why therapists and doctors and I don’t always vibe.

It’s hard to sit across from someone in that chair who’s telling you what to try for your mental ease yet they have never heard the color blue even once 🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭

[Hidden]

Chicken and egg...there is so much we dont understand about brain chemistry...and associated conditions.Using any mind altering drug be it lsd or even antidepressant is bit of "what could happen if i did this?" Sometimes its good...sometimes its bad.People often say that any mind altering ingredient will simply amplify your present mood...hence "badtrips" when all you seek is a way out of your troubled thinking.Nowadays all i want is peace of mind, so i avoid "substances" at all costs...having said that i have had some weird flashbacks using things like cinnamon in coffee and certain red wines!...

A word about depression...there are two paths.....reactive....endogenous.

My understanding ....If you have a life event....loss of business...loss of partner ....death of relative...then you most certainly become depressed through reaction in the early stages...this is often helped with tranquillisers...antidepressants ...

But if you become depressed because your brain is not making enough happy chemicals...this is born within and creeps up unnoticed.At some point you realise things are not as good as they once were...this is endogenous..again this needs professional help.Same goes with bi-polar issues.....flip flopping hi and low because the neuros have no braking system.

Some sufferers seek recreational substitutes as a means of self help in the short term....but like all good things...you build tolerance...then need more to obtain the same lift...trouble soon follows.

There is a relationship between psychosis and drug abuse.

."don't bogart that joint!"....be safe...be happy.

[Hidden in reply to Hidden]

Yes fully agree! Great words thank you!

[fauxartist in reply to Hidden]

Did you know that you can grow new neuron pathways by just learning something new every day? Taking a different path on walks, learning something new like painting or photography...all is thought to help with early onset of Alzheimer’s...and staves off boredom for me. Enjoy your path in life but don’t forget to take the side roads along the way.

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I picked up playing drums about 3 years ago. I went to a community college for painting and illustration. I love being creative just lose it sometimes. I like to call it “artists block” if I can’t do it on canvas I do it with spray paint on car parts or something. I need to tinker always. I snowboard, coach, lift weights, love my 4 rescued dogs and play in the dirt. I have all the tools in place I just get so numb sometimes

[fauxartist in reply to Hidden]

I understand that believe it or not....and there’s a lot behind that constant need to ‘do something else'. For me it's a couple of things that drive me. The good thing is it adds to my creative curiosity trying new things in my art work and learning…but also on the other side of it: the fear of failure can stunt my personal growth. But that's just old tapes from my CPTSD childhood. The three 'P's. : perfection, procrastination, paralysis... that plagued me for many years and the fear of not being or doing good enough. Then there is also that hole in the middle I was always trying to fill...over work, over achieving, over indulgence...but most of all that was just a quick fix endorphin release for temporary solutions. Everyone has their own stuff...most of that for me has been worked out now that I understand it and had years of therapy. But there is no cure for some things...just management and accepting the things I cannot change.

[QCuriosa in reply to Hidden]

Just came upon your post. I think I’ve been misdiagnosed and do not have the typical major depression but more of a persistent low level depression which, when reading your post would be endogenous: misfiring in my brain. Went back on a higher dose of my SSRI because what I was taking was not even therapeutic

[Hidden]

i was better off before the mental health services.......we live with this all the time and have adjusted........then all of a sudden to them its huge problems......and their advice fits them or others......theydont know us or how capable we are.......ignore what doesnt fit...........i learned to ignore most of the stuff they say........sure who doestn have some disorder to them..........we adapt and compensate who cares.......one mans experence take them with a grain of salt ...ur the same person u were two seconds before this supposedly hrrendous diagnosis..............no.

[Hidden in reply to Hidden]

Such a minefield....two trick cyclists will offer up different labels in the same person...when they use electric shock therapy but never know how it works should give you a big clue....they can only experiment ..hoping for improvement...

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i get both sides...........pass tho........the side effects of meds ..........i have my own unofficail methods that i dont talk about as i trry not to give others advice

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I hear you...i have not tried to share my own personal protocols either...what works for me may not work for others...unless we talk about magnesium....thats a game changer right there.

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I love the confidence in that perspective friend....it resonates with me well

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we speak similar language- prob is they treat patients like were children and they are the parents knowing whats best.........well........we know us all our life.....they dont..........and they want to run the bus......secondly we cant funciton nor recognize ourselves on those strong drugs.........third........the 60 pound wt gain..........the side effecdts are worse than the academic conditon.........

we can dose to effect like using miracle grwo on plants.......just a touch and not the box............were not that stupid doctors.........one aspirin for sore muscles doesnt mean the whole box..........but they thnk were not taht smart..........dose to mild effecdt like anesthesia.........little wine........heck al of europe drinks wine daily

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my body...........mh control

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we use in in quieting horses.........as veterinarians.......and as anesthesia doc.......lots fo ways of not sedating a person or animal.......just queiting things down in finer notches.......like slowing a truck rpm..........too many doctors go from one extreeme to whoa............in anesthesia............fenesee...........whats the hurry......one tiny step at a time.........doctors never listen