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I just spent I don't know how long reading quite a few posts that apparently were spawned by an individual who wanted to offer what they believed would be a helpful and safe space for others to reach out. I came into this space with zero expectations, but with the hope that it would be just that...a safe environment. After the diatribe and ranting against someone I feel had the best of intentions, I am now not quite so sure that "safe" would be the word I would use. Firstly we have come to be a country in which people feel that their rights supersede the rights of everyone else and anyone else who disagrees with them, when in fact no one has the right to exercise their own freedoms while trampling on the freedoms of others. Rather than being mature enough to embrace the fact that everyone has opinions, feelings, and experiences which are unique and that those experiences, thoughts, and feelings are valid, we have become a nation of peasants storming the castle as in the fairy tale Beauty and the Beast chanting "we don't like what we don't understand in fact it scares us and this monster is mysterious at least, so lets kill the Beast." It was an all out witch hunt that I read today with justifications ranging from "it's in the site's by laws" to "it's a trigger." Perhaps the real issue is that this is a country that was founded by individuals seeking asylum from persecution of all varieties which has well forgotten its roots. The originator of the post thrust not a thing down anyone's throat and yet immediately was hung on a pike and accused of all manner of things. Why? Fear ...just like the peasants, what we don't like and what we don't understand we must eradicate rather than ask questions. This is precisely how hate germinates and grows momentum. Interestingly in the class I am taking we read bell Hooks. She is a favorite among academics especially feminists, so her writing is used in a great number of classes. The book was All About Love which I have read a number of times for a number of classes. Numerous students commented on how they did not like the fact that Hooks went into a discussion about spirituality and how it helped her overcome trauma. I listened to the criticism for almost an hour, processed why I thought they objected, and then I made this commentary which I am re-iterating here. Hooks is African American. Most of the objections were made by Caucasian students. People of color have historically been mistreated in ways which many are aware and that persecution is both ongoing and equally as traumatizing in 2018 as it was when colonists decided to settle on this soil and destroy the Native culture. In short they live not in a town, or a State, or a country that hates them simply for being alive, but in a WORLD that teaches them that they are not loved on any level. It is for that reason many folks of color raise their children to accept love and healing in the one place where they should be able to find it. Even if it turns out there is no hope that people of color will be accepted anywhere...treated as equals ...at least in giving them faith in a power higher than themselves whatever power that may be...at least hearing that a being created them that will love them unconditionally when human beings can be so obnoxiously hateful and brutally cruel, they have something to hold onto when they are being attacked on every other front. This is not easily understood when analyzed by individuals who come from a privileged race where global love and acceptance is a given. "Keep spirituality to yourself, don't share it, don't spread it," are easy positions to take when you have other resources to deal with your pain and trauma. It would do you good to step back and comprehend that not everyone has that privilege. It is not ok to try to squash someone else's source of hope just because you don't need it, or to tell anyone else that they have less of a right to share what helps them than you have sharing what you utilize as a resource. So when I read someone being attacked for wanting to share their hope with others it made me sad for one thing, but also demonstrated how one person decided that their right to not read about another's choices was supposed to supersede the others right to be heard. I read a lot of things here that I may not agree with but I attempt to see things through someone else's eyes. The definition of empathy is being able to walk in another's shoes. Individuals who try to silence others contribute to the very emotions they come in here to address. I scroll through a lot of "stuff" that I don't find relevant to me or my circumstances the same way I avoid eggplant. If you can't stomach it...don't eat it. Tis' a gift to be simple.

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Sillysausage234 profile image
Sillysausage234

Peace love and positivity 🖖

hypercat54 profile image
hypercat54

This is a safe environment for us all to reach out and help and support each other. It wouldn't be a safe site if contentious issues such as politics, religion, or sex, were allowed as there would be too many disagreements and I can't see that helping anyone on here. Politics and sexism affect my mental health (and others I should imagine) but to avoid causing dissent these issues are avoided. Religion is no different than those.

I am only going to say this once - I don't think any of us here object to someone saying their religion helps them and why. The problems start when they try and promote their particular religion as a way for us all to deal with our health problems. Or try and tell us non believers we are 'Ungodly' or 'Going to hell' Or preach to us. All this has happened on here time and again.

Unfortunately because so many have crossed this religious line it has caused dissent which is why it is better to steer clear of an issue on which many have strong views.

So can me all make an agreement to keep politics, religion, and sex away from the main board and get back to supporting and helping each other. x

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fauxartist in reply to hypercat54

How much persecution has there been through-out history over this topic. How many wars, and genocides does there need to be to resolve the fact that tolerance is not in the vocabulary of zealots. How many women burnt at the stakes, homosexuals, Romani, Jews, etc. either gassed or put in the Nazi camps....12 million?... when does it end.

I stand by what I said because my philosophy is tolerance. My tolerance is expansive enough to appreciate your view and the reasons behind it and I say that sincerely; however, when individuals make sweeping generalizations, that in and of itself is harmful to those included under the umbrella of that generalization. I advocate avoiding making sweeping generalizations as a rule. I would never say "men are idiots" because all men are not idiots just the ones I happen to share my life with. In similar fashion when you use the term "religion" as if all religions are the same, and the individuals who participate in them are all the same, you are actually including yourself. Although it is debated, Agnosticism and Atheism are considered religions in many countries. Point being it is a sweeping generalization to use the term "religion," and then associate negative connotations with that word and the people who follow a religious practice. I believe the person who originally made the post, used the term spiritual not religious and there is a huge difference. Atheists and Agnostics often consider themselves spiritual without the association to any organized religion. Yoga and meditation advocate connecting one's spirit to something outside of oneself. Should we also ban talking about meditation as a healing practice because it is spiritual in nature? In your response which again I appreciate, you have now extended your topic avoidance suggestions to include sex as a taboo topic. There are people who suffer anxiety or who have experienced sexual trauma and need help dealing with their issues and are looking for advice on this forum. Are you then therefore making that subject off limits and limiting the manifestation of mental illness to those you personally condone? That is problematic to me. It may not be your intention, but the manner in which you chose to state your point of view makes it seem as though you harbor hostility towards people who may innocently stumble into this site for help, or attempt to offer help to others. Religion, spirituality , and fanaticism are three different things. What you seem to be opposed to is fanaticism. It is valid to say so, but you targeted someone who did not appear to be a fanatic. You read something in her invitation, which I believe she innocently posted thinking she could help someone based on a positive experience that she had, and because you had a previous negative experience, a red flag shot up for you and you attempted to shut her and her positive experience down. That's not fair to her. It invalidates her method of healing and makes others who have utilized the same method feel as though they have done something in error by sharing that experience in an attempt to as you ended your remark with "get back to supporting and helping each other."

Additionally, religion or politics or sex may well be at the root of someone's trauma, either because they lived in a culture that suppressed women in the name of religion, or because they were born in this country as a Muslim and were persecuted post 911 and now suffer depression as a result, or maybe because they were co-opted into a cult against their will. They should be able to discuss what it feels like to suffer depression as a form of religious based trauma and that involves discussing religion. I am as opposed to fanaticism as strongly as you are as it applies to any issue be it religion, politics, or animal rights for that matter; however, the blanket banning of topics as they apply to mental health in my opinion is wrong and perhaps the more inclusive approach would be to, as I posted originally, just don't read the posts you find offensive. I was raise in a very restrictive church which affected both my choices in life and my mental health and I will share those experiences that I feel affected my mental health in the same candid and transparent manner in which I have shared in all of my posts. My intention is never to offend, but I would then strongly suggest reading the titles of my posts diligently, and scroll past the ones that you feel contain content that you cannot handle. Censoring people is not the answer. It leads to suppression of emotions which causes all manner of issues of mental health. It is akin to going to a restaurant, seeing cabbage on the menu, and because you personally hate cabbage expecting the management to remove it from the menu even though others may indeed enjoy cabbage when the simpler solution is for you to order something else.

I am with Alan234: peace, love, positivity, and I would add tolerance.

hypercat54 profile image
hypercat54 in reply to

Well it's not actually me saying anything but just reminding new people like yourself of the terms and conditions of the site both from the site owners and Health Unlocked. I imagine you have not looked at these yet so am enclosing the link for you. Please also look at the link in Vesa's post. If you are unhappy with these then I suggest you take it up with the relevant bodies.

healthunlocked.com/anxiety-...

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I don't care if someone says they are going to pray or that God helps them or what ever gets you through the day....but if you want to talk about religious tolerance, lets talk about this....Some religion is profoundly homophobic, and many here who are in the LGBTQ community are and have been persecuted by so called tolerant, loving, religious groups....again and again, and they are from all colors, shapes and sizes, and sex.... 'we love everybody as long as they are of the 'Straight' persuasion'. Many in the community have their own faiths as well, and just ignore the judgemental hypocrisy..and believe God is a loving God, or what ever they believe.

I am so tired of this topic being drug through the mud over and over....and it's why politics and religion should be in their own category..nobody ever agrees on anything, and the pot stirring goes on and on... the only color I see here is the color of print on page. Everyone has a right to their own beliefs.....and no one group should dominate a site. There have been so many rants and arguments about this topic....I am sick to death of it.....if this isn't judgement I don't know what is.... nobody wins with a topic like this

....drop it ...please.

If anyone want's to rant and preach and talk about your 'Light Bulb' is your higher power, what ever....go for it...but stop pointing fingers and just do what you want to do......let admin decide what is acceptable and what isn't ...

hypercat54 profile image
hypercat54 in reply to fauxartist

Well said faux. I agree with you. I refuse to have religion forced down my throat by a dogmatic few who are trying to convert me into being a believer. x

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sarengeti in reply to

Very well said. Agree wholeheartedly.

kenster1 profile image
kenster1

I don't mind someone saying god guided them through dark days but at the end of the day hard work and determination to get better is actually what gets someone through it and not god.dont get me started on politics 150 quid for a tv licence and its wall to wall Brexit.

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fauxartist in reply to kenster1

exactly....

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hypercat54 in reply to kenster1

I agree totally kenster. I don't care what others do or believe in and it's only when they try and coerce me into believing what they do when I get annoyed. Then when you point this out they either can't see or refuse to see it.

I think we should start a political group on here and demand everyone believe what we do :) x

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b1b1b1

I agree with Faux and Hypercat. Drop it and read the site rules via the link Hypercat posted. I am also sure there are many sites devoted to religious beliefs of all kinds, which are more appropriate for this type of discussion.

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hypercat54 in reply to b1b1b1

Yes they are not my rules after all. If people don't want to obey them then argue with the powers that be or use a religious site. There are plenty of them after all. x

Your title gave me a laugh, thanks!

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kenster1

I new this young guy about 20 was into the club scene going out every weekend.one weekend he got attacked just for trying to break up a fight.his mum joined the Mormons and had him out nearly every day knocking on doors all over Scotland.it was clear the Mormons had an effect on him and he couldn't ever be himself.he was trapped in the religion and it took over his mind.sadly he decided the only way to break free from it was to jump in front of a train.needless to say his mum was devastated and she soon left afterwards blaming herself.

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hypercat54 in reply to kenster1

That's awful kenster. Religion isn't by itself to blame for that but much more the attitude of others who forced it upon him. My oldest friends sister is a Jehovahs Witness and she finds it works for her. My friend isn't interested though which is her choice. x

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