Good evening you beautiful bumpy hearted lot, what magnesium do you use, how much do you take, where do you get it from and what are your bank details 🤪🤣 I’m off for a cardiac mri on Thursday and I’m taking 2.5 milligrams of bisoprolol twice a day to help with my pvcs, I’ve had no Af whatsoever since my ablation last June, I’ve had some fast heart rate mixed in with pvcs but since I’ve stopped flecainide the pvcs have been a constant companion(very unwelcome). They are dying right down, but still there on occasions and quite frequent for hours, one can you take magnesium with beta blockers, two how much should I take, I’ve got some magnesium citrate which I used to take 400 mill of a day, was that too much and would 200 do? Thanks I’m advance.
What magnesium to use?: Good evening... - Atrial Fibrillati...
What magnesium to use?
I did lots of research on this and if you get through the pseudo-science and commercial backed nonsense all over the Internet, it seems that, if it's going to work at all, the best form of magnesium is any at all as all will boost the blood levels equally. I tried the taurate form for many months with no effects, as did two friends; I tried oxide for many months more, again with no effects!
Magnesium is absolutely brilliant (in much larger doses...) as a laxative; as for its use as a heart calming med... I remain to be convinced! It is, however, unlike potassium, safe to take as the body safely excretes all it doesn't want (hence its laxative effect).
Steve
Good to see confirmation that ANY form of magnesium works just as well! As an important "aside" to the whole Mg issue:
I used to heavily use "TUMS" (calcium carbonate) for nocturnal reflux issues. Then I read (one link attached) that excess calcium will inhibit absorption of magnesium! (fairly common for elements that are in close proximity on the periodic table). So, no more TUMS. I now use GELUSIL (magnesium and aluminum hydroxides)-2 GELUSIL = 400mg magnesium hydroxide.
I also remain to be convinced that this is doing anything for my heart, but it's not hurting, works 100% for the reflux, and no GI side effects.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/154...
I used to gobble Rennies for my acid indigestion problems and never thought of that. Interesting! They are a mix of Ca and Mg carbonates. Later, I switched to Milk of Magnesia (Mg(OH)2). Neither touched my ectopics or arrhythmias, sadly nor later attempts with taurate and oxide. I find it hard to believe that oral magnesium can affect the heart, to be honest. The science stands against it but it’s quite popular thanks perhaps more to marketing and social media than effects but who knows? It’s safe enough to try.
I’ve never been keen on aluminium salts, although widely used (Aludrox SA, for example). There used to be some negative reports about aluminium to the extent that aluminium-free deodorants found themselves a new market.
Steve
Agree with Mg and heart effects. I'd say the jury is still out on Al, conflicting reports, as usual! At least the alleged "definitive" link between Al and Alzheimers seems to have been thoroughly debunked (save for the fact that they both begin with Al!).
I haven’t seen that debunking. I’ll look out for it. Linking anything to long term age related conditions must always be difficult.
Steve
Steve: I hate it when someone says "Oh I saw it on the internet somewhere", but.....from what I recall is the concern over elevated levels of Al in the brains of AD victims, specifically in the fibroid bundles. So the question became one of chicken or egg, and the evidence "seemed" to point not in aluminum causing the fibroid bundles, but rather the fibroid bundles that had already formed were absorbing excess aluminum. As you point out, it's all speculative. Myself, pushing 75, figure the damage (if any) is already done! (My customary rose colored glasses!). Always appreciate your knowledgable comments on the forum!
Your post really sent me off to read up on this - thank you. I was way out of date on the toxicity of aluminium salts. I will still be avoiding anti-perspirants, though!
Actually, I rather like aluminium in general. I can well recall growing some marvellous crystals of alum as a child with my Lett's Chemistry Set (the old one later deemed unsafe for children to use and reduced to an anodyne set of experiments that wouldn't excite a soul). Mind you, as crystals go, nothing comes close to copper sulphate for colour and shape!
Steve
Steve: a) I actually have an aluminum containing deodorant.....but I don't use it as a deodorant! Drug stores here in the states have no idea what an old fashioned "styptic" pencil is, or what it's used for-when I needed one, I searched and found a deodorant with aluminum chloride in it, which is basically what a styptic pencil is! Works well as styptic, no idea if it's any good as a deodorant! b) As a retired research medicinal/organic chemist, I share your love of "crystals"-I was the ace in the lab for purifying mixtures by selective crystallization-a technique the newbies are blind to! Old techniques have gone the way of kid chemistry sets-on the junkpile! JimF
I felt from your posts a sense of oneness with you! I never did become the chemist I dreamed of being thanks to finding maths just that bit too difficult. My childhood heroine was Marie Curie and I can still recall reading her amazing biography as a youngster.
I hadn't realised you are American, by the way. As I grew up there were so many truly wonderful Americans on our TV screens - highly educated, erudite voices. Then, as a young man, I went on to read works by the likes of James, Williams, Miller, Bellow, Steinbeck, Bloom and Vidal. I have to say the last few years the media has painted a wholly different picture. I hope that's not the reality! As a teacher, I know that it's not cool to be clever these days - such a shame.
Steve
Fullnesium by AAVALABS. From Amazon. Mag ox, bisglycinate chelate, mag cit, mag malate, mag taurate. Seems to help ok. Had others too.
Hi,I have been taking 2 different forms of magnesium since January this year, as my magnesium levels were very low and I’m convinced that both types have helped me continue to stay in NSR. I take 1.25mg Bisoprolol only and I haven’t had an ablation and I don’t have any PVCs that I can feel, or ever register on my devices.
I take combinations of magnesium glycenate ( Nutri- advanced brand) and magnesium taurate (Viridian brand) throughout the day ( breakfast, lunch & 1-2 hrs before bed). Some people take taurine on its own as a separate dose to magnesium glycenate as it’s a little cheaper, but I’ve started on this regime, which seems to suit me, so I think it’s best I don’t rock the boat 😊
There’s no hard and fast rules to combinations or measurements I’ve found, I think you just do what you feel is best, but I now take just over 400mg in total, daily of the magnesium content, if I add it up. I recently had a magnesium test and after taking 350mg for 5 months, my results were slightly higher, but were still on the low side of the ‘in range’ levels, which is why I’ve increased to just over 400 mg. Any deficiencies in magnesium take a long time to correct, I’ve read. I don’t think it would do you any harm at all to increase your dose again - you could ask your GP if you could have a blood test to test your magnesium levels as well?
I also find I’m sleeping better too and take my largest dose of magnesium before bedtime.
Good luck,
Teresa
I take magnesium biglycinate with taurine separately as it's cheaper. I don't think it has had much effect on my afib but I get less ectopics between episodes . I do think it has relaxed me more as I don't get anxiety attacks any more and I am far less symptomatic when in afib.
That sounds good, thanks for your reply.
Magnesium oxide is basically a laxative for most people. I use magnesium glycinate. Others use other forms. Seems glycinate and citrate may be the most popular. Kind of up to you and what your body likes. I take 250 to 300 mg per day. But I use tablets and cut them up (200 mg tabs) in 4 pieces as for me magnesium also lowers my BP. One of the side effects of magnesium. It does a good job to calm the heart. Good luck finding what suits you. 😊
Solgar Chelated Magnesium. 1 x 100 mg tablet twice a day. (100 x 100 mg tablets in a bottle)
All the best.
Roy
Thank you.
Ethical Nutrition's Magnesium Taurate 150 mgs twice a day. I have no idea whether it's doing anything - I've only been taking it for 2 weeks - but I live in hope!
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