Hello everyone Needs one
I remember reading somewhere that Covid 19 may trigger the AF
Has anyone experience it , last time I had the vaccine I had some slight nose bleed , now I am on blood thinners so I am bit concerned having the vaccine , any advise
Thank you
Covid itself triggered my afib and others. Just one more reason to get the vaccine.
Jim
Hi Jim
I am bit concerned as I am taking Blood thinners at the moment
I did have the vaccine but the GP offering the booster, I do not want my flutter start again
thanks
Mercifully having had all the vaccines boosters on offer had no adverse reaction but do understand that "everyone is different" so weigh up the disadvantages against the potential advantage of avoiding covid infection against geting it with all the attendant problems this can bring.
That's funny. I never came down with COVID until after I was vaccinated and boosted per the CDC guidance. Did not seem to help me at all. In fact I came down with COVID two separate times after being vaccinated and boosted per CDC guidance in US. I remember them saying follow the Science but the COVID science at the time was conjecture at best.
Getting the vaccine doesn't always keep one from getting covid but it does lessen the effects of covid. Since the beginning of vaccine availability I've had one every 6 months, and yes, I've had covid twice, but they were both mild cases like having a cold for a few days.
not necessarily so, I know a number of vaxxed people who got worse covid than unvaccinated people. My husband is one of those people.
I am unvaccinated and have contracted covid from him 2-3 times and each time he had far worse symptoms than I did. I actually had only 1/2 a day of a little tightness in chest last time he gave me covid. I was never really sick and had zero fevers or lethargy, etc.
I only tested myself because he had covid.
I have noticed a number of my most vaccinated neighbors and family members getting covid more often and fairly often they have had more symptoms than those who didn’t have a vaccine or who only had 1 vaccine. My point is one never knows and everyone is different and should decide for themselves. My hubby regrets getting the vaccine and feels he was lied to. I don’t regret not getting it.
Vaccines don't stop disease. Mr Biden got carried away when the vaccine first came out, but science always knew the reality.
Vaccines always have done no more than boost the immune system to stop the worst forms of diseases, keeping people at home getting well instead of in hospital becoming very ill.
Steve
Very common. And it's not because the vaccine makes you more susceptible to Covid. Has to do with that many of us were more cautious in the beginning with isolation and masking but became less cautious later on, especially after being vaccinated. But in any event, the point of the vaccine is not to prevent Covid, but to mitigate the symptoms and keep you out of the hospital, should you get Covid. So you should feel very lucky that you got Covid with the protection of the vaccine. Rather than earlier when you would not have been protected and could've had a worse outcome, especially if you're a senior or had any kind of comorbidity.
Jim
It’s a personal choice - I was badly affected by every COVID vaccine so never going to have another.
Nor me
Nor me.
Nor me
From what I read the serious issues from most batches of the C - jabs are way above past acceptable levels. With PAF myself I have never had and won't be having any of them. If you have any health issues, I would suggest you avoid.
I personally will not take the booster. This is not advice of course.
My last AF episode over two years ago must have been triggered by covid as I tested positive, with no other symptoms, the following day, after our daughter, who we had seen the previous day, let us know that she had tested positive. It was ended with 100mg Flecainide as a PIP in a few hours and though I went on to test positive for covid for the next 14 days, I felt no different than usual as was the case with my husband who didn’t test positive til my day 10! We were both free of it 5 days later. The vaccines have been fine apart from one that I turned out to be allergic to,, that seems to have damaged the muscle in my left arm and the last one I had in my right leg instead which caused it to be painful when I walked for a few days but seems fine now. I stopped taking the blood thinners some time ago as I haven’t had an AF episode of any length for ages and they messed up my digestion. We have found we are all different though.
A quick google search “is covid still a killer” will show from reputable research organisations that it is, and that the long term effects of covid are still prevalent. The thought of long covid horrifies me more than AF. Therefore I will continue to have a booster even though I suspect my persistent AF was triggered by having flu and covid jabs at the same time. So post-ablation and now in NSR I bite the bullet every year, breathe deeply, practice deep relaxation and never ever have the two jabs at the same time ever again.
Thanks Rainfern
It is a very difficult choice
I've had all of the inoculations and all of the booster jabs. None of them caused an AF episode. The worst reaction I've had was with the last booster, which caused a red patch about 4" across at the injection site. It didn't hurt unless touched and gradually faded over a week.
I've recently had the booster, no effect on my afib but chills and shivers the day after for a couple of hours. I'll accept that rather than covid
I've been on Rivaroxaban since 2017 and had all the jabs and yearly boosters. Whilst I've had sore arms and felt a bit groggy for about 36 hours (having the influenza jab at the same time might not have helped), it hasn't triggered my AF or caused other issues.
Having lost my mother, sister's partner and nearly my sister to Covid, it's a no-brainer from me. I'd rather have a nosebleed or a bout of AF than risk the alternative.
Five days ago I had my booster and have had no reactions at all, not even a sore arm. It may be something to do with which vaccine you are given, but I have never had an AF episode after any jab.
Which vaccine did you have please?
It was the Spikevax JN-1. I do not know who makes it though.
What you call "blood thinners" are in fact anticoagulants which do not thin the blood. I had the latest COVID jab on Monday, with no side effects yet. I've had every COVID jab offered and never had any side effects. I have never had COVID either.
Last one I had was November 2022, not having another, each time I had the vaccine it triggered AF, in fact my AF started after a covid vaccination along with Polymyalgia which resulted in me having steroids for 3 years. I had COVID in January 2024 and the cold I have just recovered from was worse. No more for me,!
It took me 12 months to get over the last booster that l had. Never again.
That’s terrible! I wonder how long it will take for the medical profession to realise that we are all different and one size (of vaccine) definitely doesn’t fit us all!
Thank for your sympathy Vonnegut. There is such a thing as “long covid vaccine” which isn’t advertised very much. Hope you are well this morning and have a good day. Xxx
I wouldn’t say I am well as the fatigue is very draining but I hope to enjoy some of the sunshine later and fortunately, my husband is still fit and cares for me pretty well.
I am always fatigued in the mornings. I take my drugs with breakfast so think it might be that, or just old age. Take care.
I was fit and healthy until a virus in my mid seventies when I was unable to get an appointment at our useless surgery when an antiviral might have saved me from both the chronic fatigue and the paroxysmal AF which is brilliantly controlled by Flecainide which comes with fatigue as a “rare” side effect! A sense of humour is essential (as well as a helpful husband in my case).
My Flecainide must be taken in an empty stomach or an hour before food. Are you sure it’s ok to take yours with your breakfast?
It’s a battle for all of us at times, but we have to take these drugs. It could be worse. I suppose there are sicker people than us who would swap places. It’s that thought that helps. X
Yes. We have this friendly community and fortunately, our brains still work! Having serious problems there would be much worse!
I went back into AF 6 days after my second Covid boosterafter being in normal rhythm for 3 1/2 years plus. The relapse may or may not have been related to the jab. I had a cardioversion 6 months later, which put me back into NSR again, and I've had 2 Moderna vaccines since then with no adverse effects, I'm still in normal rhythm.
There is no data available on the side effects of all these booster shoots
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There's actually lots of available data. Such aspubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/393...
There is a long list of things that the covid vaccine can trigger. Not just AF
please share a link
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Have a look at dr john campbells you tube channel please, interviews with dr robert clancy, dr aseem mulhotra and plenty of others, he goes through all the data, take your time, to listen to some of those interviews, then decide.
Unlike side effects for other drugs/ treatments talking about the side effects from the covid vaccine, upsets certain people, so sharing links on open forum is best avoided. Private message is different.
If this is something that interests or concerns you there is alot of information available online. Just be careful there is alot of disinformation on both sides
As Tomred say in his post, Dr John Campbell gives links to alot of "official", information that isn't available on Google search
There are also help groups for those who have concerns or have suffered side effects .
I hope this helps
Hornet's nest this one, but it's long discussed and acknowledged on this forum and amongst Cardio physicians that any inflammation may be a trigger for arrythmia in many sufferers. We know inoculation often causes mild, temporary inflammation so it goes with the territory. Most people accept the temporary effects.
I am in New Zealand. I have had covid twice and both times it set off afib (I have paroxysmal). So many people here have developed myocarditis and pericarditis from the vaccines. I have had two, but quit my job so I didn't have to get a booster. They have affected my health in other ways as well as my heart.
personal experience…I main, 3 booster no issues. My sister opted not to, and covid almost killed her. She was on life support for 2 weeks, and she never fully recovered, she developed SVT after. But each to his/ her own. My final medical decisions are heavily influenced by y my GP and cardio specialists. Not the internet.
Non AFIB related, my wife had a wicked cold which morphed into bronchitis which she was prescribed penicillin, which she has had before for other ailments, with no adverse effects. This time it sent her to the ER with jaundice. A very rare reaction, it shows that even historically safe meds can have a dire reaction in otherwise healthy individuals.
Also, don’t be afraid to consult your pharmacist as well. They are a wealth of drug reaction information, and have access to a extensive database of reactions.
I've had all injections for everything my GP has told me to. No problems, no side effects ...no whatever. I'm slap bang up to date.
Yes, C19 is still around and still can be dangerous. But then so is Flu. The absolute risk can be expressed by the "NNV", number needed to vaccinate to prevent one case. Search "Appendix 1: UKHSA report estimating the number needed to vaccinate to prevent COVID-19". Pick your age and vulnerability in the tables down the page. My NNV is 12,100 of being hospitalized with C19. That means 12,100 people like me have to be vaccinated to prevent one case. The risk reduction is the NNV's reciprocal, so my risk reduction is 1/12100 = 0.0000826, or 0.0083%. This is such a tiny reduction in risk that I would not consider the vaccine again.
Key factors to consider include the current strain of C19 and whether the vaccine is tailored to that. It's exactly the same as the flu vaccine, the vaxes are pretty much ineffective against strains other than the one they are designed for, and they don't tell you the strain at vaccination. Check papers by Shrestha which show sometimes a negative effectiveness where the strains don't match.
Another thing is, check Dr David Grimes blog website. It is now well proven that Vitamin D deficiency reduces your ability to fight any bug (not just C19). But don't guess, get yourself tested (I used the firm Neovos for a good home test). Then get your vit D levels above 100 nmol/l to get into the immune system boosting zone.
I won't go into the risks of the vaccine here. This is such a partisan issue that it is very hard to find objective views, but Dr John Campbell on Youtube takes properly published information and discusses it, and you may find some of his insights useful. He is denigrated as anti-vax, but that's incorrect, he only comments on published papers etc. Make up your own mind on him, don't shoot the messenger, just examine the message and make up your own mind.
In the end, there simply isn't the large scale *objective* research being done, so it will be a matter of your own opinion.
Hi Cliff
It is very interesting abut vatamin D
Yes I take D2 and last blood test shows normal level of D
Thanks
What do you count as "normal"?
Hi Cliff
last June was 84nmol/ l and says normal
Not bad 😎. My test results said 150 nmol/l for the best effect on immunity
that very good
what type of D you take
D3. I was just over 100 nmol/l on 4000 IU/day so have gone to 6000 and will retest in a few months. My wife was 105 on 2000 IU, so a good example of why you shouldn't guess, but get tested
In Jan I was really ill , chest infections etc, turned out my Vit D leval was 20, just finished loading dose of 20,000 vit D and now on lower dose till end of month then retest, so yes Vit D intake is so important. I thought I had everything covered but I guess not, at least I was protected from Covid as I couldn't go out and I'd had my 4th vaccine .
Asthmatic as well as AF, the only one I don't react to is Moderna, won't have any other .
I am convinced the Covid jab gave me AF. I had 5 jabs, but decided I’m not having any more.
My paroxysmal AF became persistent very soon after catching Covid for the first and so far only (knock wood) time. Whether it was the after-effect of the virus, or the very long waits for cardioversion (6 months) and then ablation (another 8 months), it is proving very difficult to control, even with drugs. I've had every jab for which I am eligible. I missed the spring booster two years ago, and caught Covid in May.
I do agree with Rainfern that I will never, ever have the Covid and flu jab together again. That was the only time I ever felt real side effects apart from a bit of a sore arm and a bit tired.
I can't find the link, but perhaps two years ago I read a clinical study (not a random post on social media) that reported 20% of people admitted to hospital with Covid develop blood clots, whereas about 0.02% of people develop them after having a jab. For me, in persistent AF, this is a no-brainer.
Cardiac complications from jabs seem to be more of a concern in growing young people than in older folk. I read that in online discussions with the US cardiologist Dr John Mandrola.
Hi Redactrice
Thank you for high lighting some of study about the vaccine
I see that some are openly question about the booster jab
Thanks
When I got Covid, it caused my AFib to start. I am not 75 yet, so can’t have a booster on the NHS this Spring. I am saving for a private one. Boots does them, but they are £98. Not sure if it’s worth it, but having had an ablation in September 2024, I don’t want to risk getting Covid again and possibly getting an AFib episode, because of it. . Covid itself didn’t really make me feel very ill, apart from a cough.I’ve had all the Covid jabs I’m allowed. I did have the Covid and Flu jabs 2 weeks apart in the Autumn,just to be on the safe side. No problems with either apart from a sore arm.I am on anti- coagulants and it’s not caused any bleeding, when I’ve had vaccinations.
Hi Sixtychick
Was your ablation successful and where you get done
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I had it done at Leicester Glenfield hospital. So far so good 🤞🤞🤞
Thanks
yes I had mine last week. In AF at the time but no side effects not even a sore arm
The study titled, COVID-19 Vaccination and Cardiovascular Events: A Systematic Review and Bayesian Multivariate Meta-Analysis of Preventive Benefits and Risks, was just published in the International Journal of Preventative Medicine:
my Cardiologist said my Afib was most likely caused by Covid and my Asthma inhalers. I am fully vaccinated. I am no longer on blood thinners or Rhythm medications. I take Metoprolol for my Afib. This is a personal choice as others have stated. The last place I’m going to get political on this subject is here. I’ve learned so much from all of you being new to Afib. It is a subject I’ll be asking my Electro Cardiologist today at my appointment just to be safe. My Cardiologist ok it so I want his take. What a world we live in, specially being from the U.S..
Just had my covid update Sunday. Fever one day, feel great now.
Zero issues on AFIB triggers from Covid vaccines and boosters. I’m getting another this morning. Might be number 8 I think.
My first covid vaccine in 2021 caused severe nonstop afib for 6 months, after which it went back to my Paroxysmal episodes about once every 2 months. Then I had 5 more vaccines with no ill effects whatsoever. All were mRNA.
My covid infection in 2023 was severe and also triggered severe nonstop afib for about 4 months …I received two ablations after that and due to a vagal nerve injury from the second ablation, I now have tachycardia.
My EP says to not get a vaccine ..he also says not to get covid.
Hi Greenbeast
Seems you have gone through a bad time
hope you are better now
I did take flu one
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I had 3 shots, getting sicker each shot. In the 2 years since last shot, I came down with cancer, then A fib and now I have acute pancreatitis. I was healthy prior to the jabs!
My AF has never been triggered by the vaccine -- and I have had six shots. However, an episode of mild Covid late last year triggered AF for several weeks. I will continue with the vaccine for this reason. Make your own choice, of course.
I strongly suspect the COVID vaccine triggered my AFib. My cardiologist was skeptical at first but he now things there is a reasonable probability that there was a causal link between the two. My AFib started within a month after I received the vaccine, I was otherwise healthy, in my early 50s, and with no family history of AFib.
Covid vaccine caused a LBBB which progressed to AF, consultant agreed that was what caused it, needless to say no more jabs for me, other people have absolutely no problems, got to be your personal choice
My afib started in 2018. I had ablation which put me in sinus rhythm in 2019. 2020 I had Covid 2x. I stayed in nsr but man did my heart rate sky rocket. Since then I've had all the shots and boosters with no issues. My wife got Covid in 2020 and still has issues 5 years later. She was 1000x healthier than me.
As we can see, there's a wide range of experience, of both C19 and the jabs. This is the problem, as TPTB will not accept that some people have bad reactions to the jab, then no-one does the research, as research needs funding. The "safe and effective" mantra just keeps being trotted out when in some (but not all) cases that's patently untrue.
My own view is that there are cohorts of people who should have the jab to ward off ill effects, and there are cohorts who should not, and we don't really have a good handle on this. This is where the research needs to be done, but isn't, due to the controversies.
For example, teenage boys in particular can suffer from myocarditis amd pericarditis from the jab, and these are now recognised risks and even listed in the jab leaflets. These are conditions where putting the normal stress of living an active life onto the heart drives the heart towards inflammation, but a healthy heart and a modicum of rest stops it being a problem. But with the vaccine, it seems their hearts get a challenge from the vaccine and then they may do, for them, normal things, which only drives the heart to actual myo- or peri-carditis. The one thing a teenage boy should not do after the vax is stress his heart, for several weeks, possibly longer.
Vitamin D deficient people should simply get themselves replete to around 150 nmol/L. It's now thought that Vitamin D, which is not a true vitamin but a hormone which helps the immune system work, is instrumental not only in fighting off C19, but also the potential ill effects of the jab. But if they run into trouble and are Vit D deficient, they need the fast-acting version, Calcifediol, which acts in a matter of hours, as normal Vit D supplements (D3 or D2) take weeks or months to raise levels. (Read about this on Dr David Grimes' blog site.
Another factor I have heard about is blood type. Blood types are related to the immuen system, and I think it's group A who have a greater risk than O. (I need to check). We have some friends who have found out belatedly that as they are group A then this may explain why they have had every jab and booster goimg yet have had C19 five! times.
This is all well and good theory but we need some clear, and unbiased information with no conflict of interest, and no-one is giving it.
I was diagnosed I with AFIB in August 2003 after my Fitbit picked it up. I had just undergone a stressful move. It was paroxysmal initially and soon became persistent. I had had all COVID vaccines (Moderna) and boosters sometime prior without issues other than sore arm. I continued to have all recommended COVID boosters and flu shots whether in AFIB or sinus rhythm . Happily I’ve continued in SR since March of last year after a few weeks of amiodarone followed by a CV last March. Amiodarone was continued and I had an ablation In June of last year, after which amiodarone dosage was halved but continued for 3 more months. I’m 81 and am lucky not to have had any other major health issues. I had one mild case of COVID with very minor and short lived symptoms a year before AFIB hit. I intend to continue with recommended vaccines/boosters, including COVID, but am aware that some people are sensitive to vaccines, medications and foods while others aren’t.
After Covid boost shot I got cardioversion.
By now, I'm the 79th reply. This is a great way to get a second opinion - or more! I would not have opted for the vax (not enough testing, lack of informed consent) but was forced to take it in order to travel to help our widowed son. My first Pfizer seemed okay (and there is a website to check your batch for the side effects) but my second set my heart to racing for the next month. After that I had my worst AF episode ever, ended up in the ER. My cardiologist gave me a deferral for any more but I had to have my ablation redone. I've had Covid twice; my friends who did not get the shot have fared better and got it only once.
An important point: Vitamin D. I recall Dr. Fauci saying he was taking 8,000 mg daily during the worst of that time and studies showed a healthy level of vitamin D was critical and even life-saving. I keep taking 1,000 mg/day.
A comment about anticoagulants. I had the nasty cold for the month of March and my nose was bloody all the way through. It's fine now but that's never happened before.
There is a plethora of doctors and research to back up the concerns by now and you've been given helpful tips. It's really sad that the treatments available for Covid were shut down. We each need to decide for ourselves, and getting ample information is extra work but it's necessary to truly have informed consent.
Unfortunately the vaccine affects my arrhythmias and so I'm not able to have it anymore. My cardiologist supports this decision. It puts me in the difficult position of being at risk of the full affects of the disease, however. As I've yet to get COVID I don't know how my body will respond to it but given the vaccine is a boost to the immune response to COVID, I do hold some legitimate concerns about how the real deal will affect me.
That is the big question let’s hope we are not the one to answer it!!!
Belatedly just found this on my "Pending" emails.
Search online for "5.3.6 Cumulative Analysis of Post-authorization Adverse Event Reports". This is an internal Pfizer report on Adverse Effects, whose conclusion is that it "confirms a favorable benefit: risk balance for BNT162b2." I disagree.
Out of 126,212,580 doses of the Pfizer mRNA, there were 42,086 case reports, of which 19,582 were recovered/recovering, and 1,223 were fatal.
The proportion of adverse effects, 42,086 / 126,212,580 = 0.00033345, or 0.033%. Sounds not very concerning? Well, a standard way of judging the prevalence of a rare-ish event is to count it out of 100,000 person-years. So, assuming these events were over a year (acually not at all correct - see below), then this is .00033345 * 100,000 or 33 per 100,000. To put that in context, aortic dissection is a rare-but-not-really-so-rare condition with a prevalance of 6 per 100,000 person-years (Oxvasc study).
Now, the period covered is not a year, but from approval on 1st Dec to 28th Feb 2021, so only 3 months, so the prevalence per 100,000 person-years is actually 4 times 33, or 132 per 100,000 person-years. The death rate over the 3 months is 1/100,000 in 12 months or 4 per 100,000 person-years.
Many vaccines over the years have been withdrawn with only 3 or 4 deaths.
Concerning the picture, another internal Pfizer report I have found (search "Non-Interventional Study Interim Study Report 5 Abstract C4591021") has figures for a range of adverse effects including cardiac and arrhythmic. The study is reported in longhand text but I did a table of the results, see picture. The figures are risk ratio - the risk of the event happening due to the vaccine vs. the effect of the event occurring by itself.
Two years ago while at a visit with my electrophysiologist, he told me that he was seeing many patients who had developed AF after taking the covid injection.
Good book if your interested Turtles all the way down: Vaccine science and myth
100% fact
AF and Covid vaccines 
Pfizer vaccination and AF 
Update on covid and af
Covid 19 vaccine trials
