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I have prostate cancer, and I have lowered my PSA level 6.7 to 3.1 in 4 weeks by doing a water fast for 21 days, and then following it with a vegan diet for a week.
After receiving my PSA results, and getting MRI and CAT scans, my Biopsy revealed cancer in 7/18 samples.
Tumour size varied from 0.5mm - 5mm.
Gleeson score 3+4=7.
Prognosis: Intermediate stage prostate cancer.
offered a choice between a prostatectomy or radiation. Both have the possible side effects of impotence and incontinence which sometimes can not be
An appointment was made for a robotic prostatectomy in 4 months time, which could be cancelled or moved into the future if I succeed at healing my cancer by myself. Since then I have seen another specialist who has assured me I can wait up to year before choosing an allopathic option.
Water fasting has the maximum up side for your well being, cleaning out the whole body/mind and giving it a reset. It is like giving yourself a re-boot. Even if it doesn't work to cure your ailment completely, it will definitely not do you any harm to give yourself a rest from caloric intake, and allow all your systems to come back into balance.
That said, the down side of water fasting is that some people have experienced fainting, brain fog, fatigue, and alterations in hormone levels in women if done for a prolonged period. Water fasting can also cause low blood pressure, dehydration, gastrointestinal upset, musculoskeletal pain, mood changes, migraine headaches, disordered eating, and can worsen some chronic diseases if done incorrectly. (Pregnant people, those with type 1 diabetes, and anyone who needs to take medication with food should avoid water fasting.
It costs nothing to eat nothing. All you need for a water fast is a supply for super clean or distilled water.
For me the cost started and ended with my purchase of a new filter ($250) for my water tap.
My doctor agreed to oversee my water fast by looking at my blood tests and PSA levels and advising on them. Following the advice of the True North Health Centre, I took my own readings of my blood pressure, blood sugar (glucose), pulse rate, blood oxygen level and body weight every day, and reported them to my GP. After 14 days I got my first PSA and blood test. After 28 days I had my second PSA
After two weeks I got the results from my first blood test and PSA test. The PSA had dropped from 6.7 to 3.8! I was delighted! The blood test showed a high uric acid reading that indicated that I was losing too much muscle. My doctor recommended adding lemon to my water to alkalise it, so I did this for the third week. The water tasted so delicious with just the simple addition of lemon!
10 days later later I had another blood and PSA test.
On the down side, my blood showed low creatinine and sodium levels and I was feeling very weak and tired all the time. My doctor recommended that I end the fast, so I did. I started with vegetable broth and vegetable juices, and graduated to thicker soups and finally solid food after 6 days.
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All I will say is - it is your choice. But I would have given anything for my dad's cancer (4+3, PSA 5.2 at diagnosis) to be taken seriously by doctors and that he had been given a possibility of curative treatment.
We come from Slovenia - state health. 3 doctors claimed that my dad will die of old age and not cancer - he was diagnosed at 74 and in perfect health and shape.
Before I could get someone to listen, it was too late for radiation to be effective.
He is 81, metastatic castrate resistant and disease is progressing. He will die of prostate cancer, he will be in pain and his quality of life has been seriously hit by hormone treatment. And i suffer alongside him and deal with guilt that I was not able to push for curative treatment in time. I feel I have failed him.
Be careful what you are playing with. Once it escapes prostate, it is too late. At that point most would be willing to do anything, but various treatments with potentially severe side effects can only delay the inevitable for most.
Sorry to hear your Dad did not get the care he needed. It makes it doubly hard when someone else has that opportunity for proper medical care and yet decides to drink water instead, convinced it will cure him, life can be unfair. Best wishes
Yes, you are absolutely right. It is my choice and I love it that I have the ability to inform myself and make informed decisions based on my own research (thank you internet!) All the stories I have heard from folks who did not ask for second opinions, and did not take any agency in healing themselves, have unhappy endings. I love seeing how allopathic practitioners are becoming more informed about alternative treatments because people are doing alternative protocols that work to heal themselves. For instance all the medically proven research points to a plant based diet being the best for anyone with cancer. Food is medicine. Processed meat has now been officially labeled as a carcinogen. There is a wonderful exchange in information going on , and we are all growing exponentially because of it. This is why we are seeing so many new therapies emerge now compared with what was happening 50 years ago.
I hear your pain in seeing the decline of your father and wishing you had done things differently. I also hear that you have a lot of faith in the possible benefits of radiotherapy, and wish that your father had tried that route earlier.
However, neither of us know how your father might have responded to radiotherapy. Maybe his quality of life would have been highly compromised, maybe he would have recovered completely, and maybe some other outcome would have happened that nobody foresaw. Who knows?
For me knowing the common side effects of radiotherapy and prostatectomy being impotence and incontinence, motivates me to want to avoid the traditional allopathic options that have these possible outcomes, and look for other ones that, as much as possible, cure prostate cancer without damaging the body so much and causing these unwanted side effects. That said, if nothing I am trying works, I will resort to the allopathic options offered to me, and choose between a robotic prostatectomy or robotic radiotherapy.
Why? Because I really do respect the input of my GP and urology specialists. Everything I am doing is being medically supervised, so please be assured that I am not throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
I am really interested in hearing from others who have followed alternative paths to recovery with success, and in giving hope to those who are just beginning on this path, by sharing my own learnings and successes in the same area.
I wish you all the best in supporting your fathers' quality of life, and making his remaining days as precious, peaceful and loving as possible.
you are doing the right thing. You have time to try different and alternative healing. You are also monitoring your situation. Even if things didnt work a the disease progressed you can still take care of it and it wont be too far advanced when you find out because of your monitoring. If things work out with the alternative healing you would have done great, better than otherwise. btw, Guy Tannenbaum,are you familiar with him? If you are not look him up on YouTube.
I fully subscribe to a vegetarian diet or in my case, pecatarian. I do eat fish. Cleansing the body is always a good idea. This is the first I have heard of water fasting. Interesting, I shall do some research. Keep us informed of your progress.
Might work for some(like you and Guy Tenenbaum) but it is not a guarantee. I previously wrote about Guy Tenenbaum's success story here: healthunlocked.com/advanced...
For my part, I did a 18 days water fast and while I got lots of benefits from it (no more need for glasses for about a month, no more cat allergies for nearly 3 years now, etc...) it did not make my cancer go away. Maybe its my BRAC2 mutated genes ?
My stance is that I recommend doing extended water fasting to improve your overall health as well as to reverse the aging process a little, but do not abandon your oncologist.
Thanks for heads up re Guy Tenenbaum. Fascinating story. It may also be that 18 days was not long enough to see the changes in your PSA reading that you were hoping for. The doctors at the True North Health Centre in California advocate longer - up to 40 days - medically supervised, of course.
Nothing works for everyone, right? Not chemo, not lu177 or adt. The meds for this disease are so harsh on the body that any way you can keep yourself stronger and healthier is good .
Do you take supplements? Quercetin might be helpful for brca2 in that one of the things it does is act as a part inhibitor. im not saying it can replace any medicine but may be supportive.
Sorry I am always a bit cynical and skeptical of some one who joins this forum (e.g. 17-Aug-2023) doesn’t provide any bio information and espouses that they have a “cure” for prostate cancer naturally. I fully support people using alternative/ holistic therapies and diet in conjunction with conventional medicine. I find it irresponsible to hawk these type of “cures” with anecdotal information. Maybe I drank too much water today😃.
I don't know why you are on this forum acting like a second hand car salesman with people's health. This is for advanced prostate cancer. After 2 years excellent treatment by the specialist oncologists I recommend following professional advice. Before peddling quack treatment get into a randomised trial to get it tested or please be quiet. I probably don't have much longer to live but have enjoyed 2 good years since my original life limiting diagnosis. A few more good months will be a marvelous bonus for me I did Statistics 50 years ago and the most worrying thing I learned is people trying to draw conclusions without understanding the starting logic. My statistics is now way out of date but to think your results can be due to your diet changes is the biggest flaw we ever make and why tobacco companies and others got away for years killing people off
Sorry about this but I have had my rant now and will go back to silent observing. I do not mean to have a go at you just the type of actions and possible false hope proposed. Maybe my response will be censored.
Patients, and less excusably doctors who should know better, take the PSA level as a barometer of the progress and the severity of prostate cancer when there is not a strong link between the PSA level and what the cancer is doing.
It should be remembered that some of the most aggressive and deadly cancers have low PSA levels while other essentially slow moving cancers churn out PSA.
The guy who invented PSA testing said that he hoped the test would be replaced by something better and more predictive. But still it staggers on. It is pretty good, certainly a lot better than the finger up the bottom method for picking up early tumours. It's biggest advantages is that it is cheap and easily performed in mass analysis by machine.
Not only that but PSA levels may fluctuate for other reasons, take a look at this guy who had a PSA test done everyday for 28 days, look how it fluctuates despite the fact that he is doing nothing in the way of treatment at all.
"It is pretty good, certainly a lot better than the finger up the bottom method for picking up early tumours. "
Don't ridicule the DRE test. My PSA was only 2.7 when a suspicious DRE result got me sent to a urologist for a biopsy. Gleason 8. I chose HIFU as my treatment option. Without that DRE seven years ago I would be in a very bad way today. My tumor would have been left to grow, as tumors are wont to do.
I find it interesting that not one medical professional I have ever heard of has stated there “is a cure” for PCa. Especially metastasized PCa. If it worked for you, for which you don’t provide any verification, be thankful. But to think you found the cure is absolute BS.
Bravo! I agree on all fronts, that the fasting can be a windfall for general health and reverse some issues. I also agree that an reduction of PSA does not represent a reduction in cancer necessarily...
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After receiving my PSA results, and getting MRI and CAT scans, my Biopsy revealed cancer in 7/18 samples.
Tumour size varied from 0.5mm - 5mm.
Gleeson score 3+4=7.
Prognosis: Intermediate stage prostate cancer.
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So, only follow up tests showing a reduction of lesions, count, or size can attest to an effect upon the cancer itself. What's great here, is that is even possible. That you've taken tests prior to, and afterwards embarked upon your journey, and can then retest to show any efficacy as described towards the cancer itself, or not.
Ultimately, I do believe that metabolism, and diet have great effect upon our health, especially because once we've been diagnosed and also begin treatment for the disease, how much our metabolism is affected by it, especially with the introduction of drugs. So it cannot be one way only.
Unfortunately, I also believe that acute dietary changes do not suffer the overall lifetime of habit and diet well. Meaning a month or two of dieting cannot undo what I've eaten since birth, environmental exposure, constant bombardment of toxins and chemicals, etc. We are, what we are! It's not surrender, just acknowledgement. But I have seen many realize personal health gains by sustained dietary changes, over time.
Now, I do take supplementation as well, in the hope that it has some small effect on my general health and gives the body the ability to fight at the highest level. I believe that is the ultimate, because we dismiss too easily what the body itself is capable of. But does each body itself seek stasis, or it's equilibrium? Like those who try to change their base/acidity, only to find the body fight and adjust it back, as an example?
Anyways, Einstein said it best ...
The person who follows the crowd will usually go no further than the crowd. And those who walk alone find places no one has seen before!
Doesn't mean those places are better, lol, just different!
So... Stop back and publish your follow up tests and keep the thread current so that we may all be encouraged, or educated, as to your condition and progress!
I always find it funny that those who are full on alternative treatments say those of us who choose a blend or just conventional didn’t do our own research and don't advocate for ourselves. That's so lopsided. It is not the fault of those with cancer if their cancer is aggressive or progresses. Cancer has its own mind. And I have a couple of dear friends who are oncologists with family members with cancer. If water fasting and veganism- or RSO- or just eating healthy- would cure their family they'd be all over it. I asjed them- i researched. Those who say they cured their advanced cancer did do treatments- or had less advanced cancer- or git lucky. No one knows for certain. There are so many stories of people who do what you are advocating (all holistic- no treatments) and they die. Those aren't in the studies about radiation or other treatments because they didn't do them. So you truly cannot know, and True North cannot know, that their customers wouldn't have been just as good, if not better, had they gone the conventional route. A 3+4 contained diagnosis often goes on active surveillance. Which is what you're doing. This group is for advanced stages. My husband went full on vegan with no alcohol at diagnosis. But he did it to feel his best overall- and to feel some control-not because it would cure him- his cancer is oncologist team is trying to work on. And it makes him no better than the guys who love their meat and beer. They care about themselves as much as he does. And many who eat those things do great and their treatments are saving their lives💙
I went to Goldhamer's clinic in 2019 and adopted his diet. I also did a 10 day water only fast. However, I was already receiving Lupron for MPCa and never considered doing fasting or the diet instead of regular treatment.
I believe in the possibility of alternative methods helping over the long term, but I'm skeptical that your 21 day fast and 1 week of vegan diet caused your PSA drop. However, I have been very pleased with the metabolic changes that have occurred over the four years on Goldhamer's diet. They have been dramatic, but they didn't happen overnight, or even the first year; it's been a long steady improvement in weight, blood pressure, cholesterol, triglycerides, etc.
I appreciate what you are doing for your body. And hope it works for you.
I’m shocked at the horrible comments you have received because you are approaching your cancer treatment differently.
May we allow for people to do what they feel is best for them without harsh judgment and attack.
My dad’s PSA dropped from 5000 to 0.046 and still dropping. He has not reached PSA nadir yet. He is taking abira and pred and ELIGARD shot every 6 months.
All doctors are shocked. They say he’s remarkable. All of his tests look good .. liver, kidney, heart, etc..
My dad was told he had 2 months to live, that was almost 2 years ago. He was also told he would never walk again.. he walked after 2 months and gardened all last summer.. and still walking.
Although dad is on allopathic treatment, his diet comprises 98% whole foods.. with lots of greens, CRUCIFEROUS etc , nuts, 40% raw. He also takes some supplements which have been beneficial. Both dad and I believe that his diet, his faith, his movement etc have all supported his body in responding well to the allopathic treatment.
I think there is outcry because he has used the term "cure" and he does not have advanced PCa (APCa) - he has intermediate PCa that was caught early (surprisingly early - good for him!). There is no cure for advanced PCa, period, even if there is a very real hope that we can minimize the effects this affliction (as your dad's experience so wonderfully demonstrates)!
Using "cure" strikes a chord in us all. I think this post and its responses illustrate very well the feelings of hope, fear, frustration, regret and loss that always linger on the edges of our thoughts. While we support our brothers that are doing well (well even to the point of seemingly having actually defeated this monster), we are human and are at some level jealous, suspicious, and skeptical.
As you say, each of us is on our own path. Many men on this APCa forum are down a more clinical, cynical and weary path based on their experiences. While DADICIDAD has some very interesting information (some of which I intend to do my own research on!), its message comes across as cavalier and naïve to a group of men who have had little choice but to pursue nasty, scary treatments like surgery, chemo, and radiation.
For example, I was diagnosed almost 7 years ago on my 49th birthday with Stage IV cancer: Numerous bone metastases including large ones on my pelvis, femur, and spine - one that broke my c-spine. We had two teenagers and, like your father, I was given an extremely poor prognosis. I did not have the luxury of taking a year to pursue alternatives, as does DADICIDAD. I wish I did - I may well have done what he has done.
Give my most sincere regards to your father! May his path be a long and happy one. - Joe M.
This should be CELEBRATED! Unfortunately, anything other than mainstream is so feared and mocked. Crazy really, when there are so many success stories out there, and when the science behind it explains it so well and makes perfect sense. Yet a highly toxic poison that obliterates the system head to toe we walk into with no question whatsoever. Btw, I'm not saying conventional is wrong, but I firmly believe that in conjunction with the integrative approach we would see astounding differences in outcomes. There is no magic bullet here, this is a hard, long and gradual process which takes extreme commitment, dedication and willingness for massive action/ change. It's about really attacking from all angles. None of this comes easy. So happy for your dad, good luck to him and long may he keep doing what he's doing. I so wish mine had done the same and had a little more faith, and encouragement with all this stuff 😔
This is hard to read and triggers some frustration. My husband ate a vegetarian diet and drank only water( no sodas) and coffee for 10 years BEFORE his diagnosis of advanced prostate cancer. I appreciate that you are open to natural remedies, we use acupuncture and other spiritual tools too. But for those of us who are now fighting for our lives, water and veggies will not be the magic cure.
It’s still early for you. No one knows what you’ll get. Best of luck .
Here’s the issue: Replacing modern medicine with alternative treatments rather than augmenting them is playing with fire. The problem is if it doesn’t work to be invested to the point of denying that, until it’s too late. Which is likely.
In my research I discovered many people who have healed their stage 4 cancers… yes it takes a tremendous discipline.. dr William Li a scientist has studied the angiogenic diet.he studies foods and Th rir impact on cancer... his book “eat to beat disease”is great.. Chris Wark Chris beats cancer, Ty Bollinger, offers cancer summits… with many doctors and cancer survivors, there is so much helpful information, re diet and supplements etc. even if conventional is the main treatment choice I believe that choice can be supplemented with natural alternatives that help With QOL.
Of course supplementation with natural alternatives can help. Exercise worth more than all other combined. As I said, it’s depending on it exclusively that is taking a foolish chance.
Some do and beat their cancers. There are many telling their stories. I appreciate that because imo that brings even more hope .. mindset is huge in this battle..
Thank you. Very interesting on the water fasting. I had the same Gleason score as you. I am doing intermittent fasting. Eating hours are more or less are 10 a.m. to 6 p.m.
I did have proton therapy in May which brought my PSA down to 1.99. Gets rechecked in October.
I do take IVM daily now for almost 8 months. I switched from fenben to menben. Menben is daily. Now adding metformin-500mg next week.
Don't throw out Western medicine in your quest for a cure. All kind of homeopathic treatments may help but the heavy lifting will likely be done with SOC treatments.
Interesting report. I do think cancer in earlier stages can be controlled (not cured mind you) by food, supplements, maybe even water fasting… but not when it reached advanced stage.
I myself in 2007 was during one year on almost vegetarian diet and supplements… dropped my PSA in a year from roughly 14 to 5. At this time and at my age Radiation and RP was unbearable even to think off and always preferred natural roads.
However then I made an interesting choice to do I unwatchful waiting … meaning I blocked any thoughts or worries about cancer, I did not do any PSA treats till 2020 and lived life to the fullest (how I understand it back then), drinks, drugs, parties, love, sex … I don’t regret any of it.
In 2020 PSA was 1,600+ and 6 weeks after biopsy 13,000+ … first thing I did is not to take any meds ADT or similar but start IVCs for a month. … I’m not going to detail further my road as it is very detailed in my profile and if you want you can dive into it.
I used all possible and impossible alternative and off label meds and treatments.
You have absolute right to try and test all and any alternative and complementary treatments available to you and you do not owe anyone explanation of your chosen path.
I want to warn you however about relaying on Guy Tenenbaum results. He had orchidectomy and water fast may have nothing to do with his results or may just be an additional bonus in his protocol, but not a result if his water fast. Also he promoted some supplements that could be plain harmful for a person with prostate cancer, so do your own research.
I do think that going after different natural medicines first and especially plant medicines (do research about Ayahuasca, Iboga, etc…) did a lot of good for me and helped enormously with my spiritual development.
Of course I don’t regret anything I have done.
Then time came to incorporate different SOC medicines in unSOC manner and they are working so far.
I strongly believe that it is not how long you drag your physical body till demise that matters, but how you live (!) your (!) life (!) … not survive but live.
I stopped alcohol for spiritual reasons quite recently, I do eat meat, seafood, cheese, sometime cakes and ice creams and aiming for Mediterranean diet (whatever that means 😅).
Exercise is very important too.
I congratulate you with good preliminary results, caution you to understand that it is very early to make conclusions and I wish you good luck and success with whatever way you choose!
I check out and tried everything possible and impossible to do it alternatively as I wrote in my previous post.
Did Chris beat prostate (!) cancer stage 4 (!)?
Did he avoided surgery?
We are not talking here about some other type of cancer, but specifically prostate cancer.
Show me one proven example when alternative treatments completely cured or put into long durable remission prostate (!) cancer stage 4 (!) without any surgeries, radiations, ADT, antiandrogenes, etc???? You will always find in such “miracle examples” if you dig deep that heavy non-alternative treatments played a big part.
I’m definitely not pro SOC, but it is a personal choice if mine and everyone has to make their choices.
I can also say that I put my cancer from 2008 till 2020 in long durable remission with plenty of alchohol and red meat, hamburgers, recreational drugs and some supplements… but truth is I just ignored it existence from 2008 till 2020.
Some of the SOC treatments can and should play a part in individualized treatment. Same is regarding off label drugs, supplements,
Well done, a brief bio, with a Moby Dick length missive, and a simple cure for everything from cancer to eczema. If only all those Drs had simply tried water. Thank you
It's your body and life. You can do anything you want. I, however, totally disagree with your recommendations and hope nobody follows them. There are some desperate individuals on this site who may be tempted. My advice as someone with metastatic cancer and is a physician is: get the best care you can from the best centers of excellence.
First of all thanks for the palindrome. I don't recall seeing your age anywhere as well as more detailed bio...... Location? Any meds (before or now)? and is the distilled water wet? BTW are you selling anything? (cause I pass)...
Diet is good. But if anything is adding towards a cure is the work of your immune system and genetic makeup along with systematic therapy given by your RO. Diet has no chance against this evil disease on its own. Why do I say evil? Because children deal with this disease and it's not just an adult disease.
Yours is where mine was when they decided it was benign. My Psa was 2.2. One year later it was 4.2 with the tumor out of the prostate and I’m on adt screwed. Tells me the doctors don’t know enough to wait or not. You don’t stand a chance. PSA means nothing. 4+3 is pretty aggressive. My 50 some year old endocrinologist just had his psa of 5.5 Gleason 4+3 cut out and they hope they got. Too close to call. Good luck. Nothing worse than ADT. Be very afraid.
I would think you might have a problem getting legitimate scans done on insurances dime following these protocols….would,of course be interested in seeing before/after scan and biopsy results as a change in psa is hardly compelling as proof of progress…..good luck to you….when you have some “proof of concept” for us I’m sure a lot of us would be interested to hear.
My thoughts are somewhere in the middle. Lifestyle choices are important but once cancer is there, we need to follow the standard of care. A friend of mine followed lifestyle choices, but after 15 years or so developed metastatic cancer. He is doing ok, but could have been avoided.
NEW YORK — YouTube announced Tuesday that it will start removing false claims about cancer treatments as part of an ongoing effort to build out its medical misinformation policy.
Under the updated policy, YouTube will prohibit "content that promotes cancer treatments proven to be harmful or ineffective, or content that discourages viewers from seeking professional medical treatment," Dr. Garth Graham, head of YouTube Health, said in a blog post Tuesday.
"This includes content that promotes unproven treatments in place of approved care or as a guaranteed cure, and treatments that have been specifically deemed harmful by health authorities," he said, such as the misleading claim that patients should "take vitamin C instead of radiation therapy."
Unless every cancer cell is out of your body you or anyone is not cured. There is no test that will tell you every cancer cell is out of your body. There is no cure for cancer unless you die of something else. Remission is close but there is never any guarantee. Live the best you can for as long as you can no matter what you have. I was also 3+4 and took 19 months to get treatment after much research. Anything above 3+3 is not something to play around with. Even with no treatment (at 69) I was told I would have 5 to 10 years of no symptoms, but basically no hope of any quality of life once they started. I have been health conscious my entire life including many fasts when much younger. Always made me feel better. Good luck.
Please keep us informed. Even a PSA cut in half means it is reduced but still there. In my case there is good evidence that my biopsy was the cause of spread outside prostate, although that took 3 years before detection.
To Mention The Word “CURE” Based On The Facts You Have Mentioned Is 100% Unacceptable. I Look Forward To The Post You Will Hopefully Make In a Year or Two, Based Upon Your “Treatment”. As Others Mentioned, What Did Your Scans Indicate Before Your “Treatment” and What Do They Reveal Now? I Look Forward To This Answer! And, I Look Forward To Additional Scans You Will Have In The Coming Years. I Wish You The Best, But Your Post Is Inappropriate!!! It Gives Hope To Others Without ANY Scientific Basis!!! And, Fir Those Who Commented On The Benefits of Fasting- WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE YOU HAVE TO SUPPORT SUCH CLAIMS?
I think that's awesome! Are you following Joe Tippens Fenben protocol? FECO also very helpful! Best of luck. Look forward to hearing about your continued progress.
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PSA 6.9 six years after prostatectomy but PET/CT negative?
PSA slightly up after salvage radiation
what will be next for me
Could not remove my prostate and the cancer!
