Wondering if you could guy help me sort out this special case.
Guy Tenenbaum is a youtuber that I’ve been following for the past 10 months but I’ve watched every video that he’s put out over the past 2 years to document his journey.
I truly believe the guy (no pun intended) is legit as he doesn’t sell anything and you see how his body has changed over the past two years (white hair became grey, went from heavy set to skinny, etc…) and he also makes all of his documents (MRI, Scans, etc…) available for all to view on Google Drive.
He is a 69 year-old French man who’s been living in Miami for the past 15 years and was diagnosed in both countries as Stage 4 Gleason 9 with metastasis to the bones (ribs) back in August 2018 and was sent home to die by his oncologist who told him that he’d be dead within 2 years and that he should put his things in order and enjoy what’s left of his life.
Aside from having tried Zitiga for 2 months shortly after his diagnosis and having to stop because he was getting ulcers and other side-effects, he’s had no treatment like radiation, surgery or chemo. He still has his prostate intact, but he did get his testicles removed surgically shortly after stopping Zitiga because his doctor told him that this would lower his testosterone and maybe help him survive a little longer. He did not mind doing so because he thought he was going to die anyway.
He’s had no traditional treatment, but simply did lots of fasting and taking supplements and he’s been diagnosed as cancer free since last June. His metastasis are gone and only the old scars remain on his bone scans.
He’s met with Thomas Seyfried already and here is an interview he’s done with Dr Eric Berg youtube.com/watch?v=uOXom6f... but he’s been interviewed by him more than once.
One anomaly I cannot understand though is that his PSA has been at below 0.1 for over a year now and yet he still has a prostate. How is this possible?
The other question I ask myself is whether having the testicles removed might be a better option than ADT even it means no sex for the rest of what could be a longer life.
Maybe there is fewer side-effects and it is more efficient to fight cancer that way?
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Seems like the Guy has done some research. He is eating Cauliflower and Cabbage...Source of Sulforaphanes....Onions and Garlic ..Source of QuercetinLot of Green peppers..Viamin c and antioxidants.
Where are Resvestral rich foods like Dark red grapes, Peanuts, Red Onions. etc.
His C Reactive Protein level may be like mine...less than 0.1. Old man really knows his stuff !
He does not eat red grapes or pomegranate because they contain too much sweet carbs and he believes that all cancer feed on sugar. Yet he still eats poultry despite lots of articles saying that choline might be linked to prostate cancer.
I believe he takes the resveratrol as a supplement though.
For my part, I believe that cancer adapts and if you don't give it some fuel, it makes its own. Think I read somewhere that if prostate cancer cannot feed on your testosterone it will then produce it on its own using cholesterol or something along those lines. Prostate cancer is quite adaptive it seems. A nasty beast.
Guy seems to have a false assumption that prostate cancer feeds on sugar. Many other cancers do feed on sugar...But Not Prostate cancer.In fact, Prostate cancer feeds on Amino acids and Fatty acids.
In very very advanced stage, when the tumors become large and develop their own blood supply, then, PCa learns how to utilize sugar directly and starts to feed on sugar.
Raw Fructose (sugar) coming from vegetables and fruits does not cause problem.
Refined sugar in high quantity increases body weight and indirectly can harm us.
In addition to the view "that prostate cancer feeds on sugar" there is some thinking that sugar promotes an insulin response, and to some degree insulin is considered a pro-growth hormone.
There are different metabolic approaches to different cancers, and I'm starting to think a focus on amino acids makes the most sense for PC. (The cancer can make whatever fatty acids it needs from those amino acids.)
But I think a carb-reduction or fasting approach (including time -restricted eating) can be geared towards down-regulation of pathways, growth factors and hormones that might stimulate PC progression, rather than thinking only in terms of depriving PC cells of glucose.
I would definitely agree that fasting plays a factor as I find that it helps on so many levels and in so many ways such a getting rid of junk cells and creating new stem cells that can turn into fresh immune system cells. I find that fasting rejuvenated me and made all of my former chronic diseases, other than my cancer, go away.
And speaking of rejuvenation... Guy's hair was white when he began his videos 2 years ago. They gradually became gray over the past 2 years. In my case the color did not change but my family did notice back in June 2020 that my hair on the top of my head was no longer as thin as it used to be. Don't know for sure if the reversal of baldness was due to my 18-day water fast or to having taken Lupron since both of them were around the same time. Maybe it was the lowering of testosterone that made my hair grow back/get thicker. Not that I have much use for hair since I've taken to shaving my head every 6 weeks for the past 10 years.
Our liver has capacity to convert any of the three major food items, viz. Protein, Fat, carbohydrates into each other.Liver can produce sugar from fat or protein . This is known as Gluconeogenesis.
But if plenty of glucose available, liver does not prefer making glucose as it is energy consuming process and requires more effort.
Famous Oncologist ,Dr Mark Scholtz is very emphatic about this fact that Prostate Cancer is unique as it utilizes amino acids and fatty acids preferentially.
Yes, I'm not disputing that. Just suggesting that a low-carb approach may be directed at metabolic pathways and gene expression, etc,. and not merely as an attempt to deprive the cancer cells of their "food." It seems as though cancer cells eventually use the body itself as food. So the low-carb approach may not be an effort to starve them, but to change the cellular signalling, pathways and crosstalk that drives them to grow fast.
I guess rather than "starving" them of raw materials, the idea might better be termed as "making them lose their appetite," LOL.
I agree with your analysis. Cellular signaling pathways are no doubt affected as compared to a typical western diet. A low carb, low protein diet will lower insulin and IGF 1 ( mTOR, oxidative stress etc) and that's a good thing.
What do you think about the fact that his PSA is <0.1 (or <0.01?) despite still having a prostate? My oncologist says it is impossible but Guy test results show otherwise.
He’s basically on ADT permanently, having had his testes removed. That explains a low PSA. With low testosterone your prostate slowly dies, and the cancer along with it.
I was diagnosed 8 years ago, stage 4, mets to spine. At that time, ADT was standard treatment for metastatic disease. There were no novel anti androgens. Chemo wasn’t used until castrate resistant. 2 years on ADT with a low PSA is not remarkable. Prostate cancer is a very slow growing disease.
My mets went away too. That’s what ADT does. Without testosterone, prostate cells can’t divide, so eventually they die. That applies to both healthy and cancerous cells. The test will come over time when he becomes castrate resistant. That is, his PSA will start to rise, despite ADT. Meaning his prostate cancer cells have mutated to allow them to grow without external testosterone.
Hi Stevecavill, I understand what you're saying and it makes sense to me but it would break my heart to have to relay this information to Guy since it might likely make him anxious for something that might be very far away or may never happen if he dies of old age first. But with his mets being presently gone and his cancer being seemingly dead/dormant at present time, and since his immune system is functionning quite well (he beat Covid19 in 4-5 days at his age) isn't there a chance that his cancer might never become castration resistant and hence might never come back or is that unavoidable?
Actually, not surprising at all. I had focal cryo- treatment on my prostate 10 years ago. I was left with 60% of what was supposedly a healthy prostate and for the next eight years I had a PSA Of about 3.5. When my PSA rose again to north of five, advanced imaging found three Mets. I had SBRT to the three Mets, Adt and Zytega. My PSA went to undetectable within six months and remained there for the entire two years I was on these meds. After I went off the meds for a vacation, my PSA slowly rose back. So clearly someone with a prostate I who essentially is on ADT, can Have undetectable Psa related to his castration.
If what you say about Mr Tenenbaum is true, then he's the extremely lucky fellow who just needed low Testosterone to get rid of Pca at stage 4. It would have been cheaper for our Australian Medicare to have a doc cut my balls out at diagnosis in 2009 at 62, with in-operable Gleason 9. Drug companies insist ADT works better than having balls cut out, and ADT costs usd $3,500 per year, but ball removal might cost $1,500, and is a minor operation. So somehow Medicare has spent about usd $38,000 they didn't need to spend. I cannot see any difference to how ADT drug or ball removal work, but not all T is stopped by either because some T is made by adrenal glands. If Psa has been at 0.1 for a year, and he's still got his PG, remember that healthy PGs do generate a Psa level and for a man of 60 who is not going to ever have any trouble with his PG, a Psa of 1 is not unusual.
But having Psa at 0.1 does not mean he has remission. After 4 doses of Lu177 my Psa went from 25 before Lu177 to 0.32 at 12 months later in Nov 2019r, and doctors were amazed, but I have always known that to be due to Xtandi working, because I had begun it in April 2019.
Well, Psa didn't stay at 0.32 for long and whizzed up to 30 last July, so I had 2 more doses Lu177, and Psa went to 7, and I think Xtandi no longer works to do what it is designed to do and so I could not have a 7th dose of Lu177 and now Psa > 60, and rising very fast, and it seems now like I need to have my end stage days planned.
I want Radium223, but docs don't really know if that will work, and there are not many add on drugs to make it work better.
So when Psa goes down and stays down for awhile, it does not mean remission.
Having Psa 0.1 is 10 times the low level accurately measured here, and plenty of men have Psa 0.01 after an RP, maybe for 4 years, then Psa starts to rise, and their Long Fight begins.
As time passed since 2010, my Psa level has gone up and down and without ADT or add-on drugs or Lu177, I would have died years ago.
As I watched the Pca spread in scans get worse, the number of bone mets has increased, and I have many little ones not making PsMa hence Lu177 or Ac225 won'k, but Ra may work, but mean extension of lifetime of Ra223 is 4 months, but then men seeking Ra223 have tried all other things and have very high Psa, maybe 600, or 10 times what mine is.
I think having Cabazataxel now would not work, just like Docetaxel didn't work at all, which would allow Psa to rise much more and then it would be too late to get a big benefit from Ra223, which is usually used here to relieve bone pains.
But I read about 10 posts here about Ra223 today and most were positive on Ra223, men got more than 4 months, but Ra223 didn't work for some men. I am not to know full details of their cases, but in my case Lu177 seems to have zapped countless soft tissue mets only found in lymph nodes. So I only have bone cancer. Docs are a little hesitant about giving me Ra223, but I keep thinking its the only way to delay palliative care by about a year if I am lucky.
I eat a bowl of green raw vegies daily, but I doubt they can stop my aggressive type of Pca.
Quite a few men get Pca which is very weak, and easily defeated by say ADT + EBRT, and I've known men like that. But 2 years of ADT + 70Grey EBRT 1/2 way along was supposed to work, but after quitting ADT to see if it had worked, Psa went up from 0.08 to 8 in 6 months, so I have needed ADT ever since.
Quite a few drugs for cancer are developed from non natural substances. Many thousands of natural chemicals were tried and tested before the first chemo drug came along, and Docetaxel was derived from Yew tree sap. Maybe its made in a lab now.
Patrick, sorry to hear your PSA is rising. If I were you I’d do the Ra223. I hope you are still able to ride. Keep us posted on your progress. Best of luck to you. 🌈💪🚵🏿♀️🚴♂️🚵♂️🌅
I would have to correct the statement of “being cancer free” to being in remission. Since he is 2-3 years into his diagnosis the surgical castration is likely what got him to where he is and my best interpretation is that his particular cancer is very dependent on testosterone at this time.
Personally I have no problem with eating well and supplements and fasting but what works for the occasional person does not usually work for the masses. Otherwise we would all be doing well. I have tried everything you can think of in the alternative medical world. For my disease all it did was hurt my savings. I think diet is a no brainer and a healthy plant based diet is the way to go but all these other claims are either anecdotal or supported by very low level evidence with very small numbers of patients (therefore a low power study). Just because you can find an article on PubMed does not mean it is a good study. I think that is a major problem on this forum and others that people post links to “studies” but they really don’t know how to critically analyze them well. The conclusion is where everyone jumps to but in reality the methods is the most important part of any study. I’ve been a doc for 20 years and it took a long time for me to be confident in how I interpret a study.
That rant being said I think trying everything you can that is not dangerous is worth a try. Why not? You may be one of those lucky buggers that go into remission or if early enough cure so why not try?
I agree with most you say. I just don't know anyone who survived cancer on alternatives, diet change, prayer, voodoo, and for many, cancer takes them so fast and is accompanied by so much suffering, they really don't have time to think or to learn, and they are forced to give up hope as their cancer reduces their weight, and treatment gives terrible side effects, and does not work. Many have died in my neighborhood without any chance of remission. It will me my turn soon.
But tomorrow I'll do a nice bike ride where I think I'll feel very well.
You are most welcome spw1. Aside of the surgical castration, I've done and still do everything that Guy Tenenbaum does and more (like Canabis oil, Artemisinin, etc...). But I've not had his success against cancer.
However I've gone from 210lbs in Jan 2019 to 152lbs in Jan 2020 and I look 10 years younger than a year ago so there are definitely benefits to his approach.
If I did not have cancer, I firmly believe that with the lifestyle I've adopted over the past year that I'd likely would be living a health and long life free of any chronic diseases. Because of the cancer, and because of the pharma drugs that I will now have to take and the radiation that I am likely to undergo, I do not know what the future holds. But I am certainly in a better condition to face those challenges now than I would have been if I hadn't changed my lifestyle.
Fasting has benefits for the mind too. This disease is a challenge for both the body and the mind. My husband lost much of his excess weight very fast after dietary changes introduced in August 2020 after his diagnosis. His pain started to improve before he had any medication. He has recently got into trying fasting and this video comes at the right time after he completed his first 40 hour fast.
Congrats to your husband. Tell him that its like with exercise where it is difficult initially but it get easier the more you do it. In fact my only regret from having lost all the excess weight (I am now with a BMI of 23 which is good) is that I can no longer fast more than 3 to 5 days as I'll become unhealthily skinny if I lose another 10 lbs. The biggest benefits from fasting usually start around day 4.
We will keep this in mind. He cannot get any skinnier now but wants to try a longer fast up to 5 days. I tried to accompany him but I cook for the family and the smells in the kitchen are certainly a trial for my mind. My longest fast so far has been 24 hours.
Good for you to be fasting as well My longest fast was 18 days where I've spent the first 8 days at a fasting center away from distractions and then I continued at home for the remaining 10 days. I found every day to be the same as day 1 and it never got progressively more difficult for me. But on day 18 true hunger woke up me during the night and I knew it was time to put an end to it.
You guys are great..you can fast for many days. Honestly, I can not fast more than 24 hours at a time. Hunger pangs start. But I can eat only vegetables , leaves and fruits 100% for many days.My stomach just needs some fluffy stuff (fiber rich food) to believe that food is there inside.
I am getting very close to my ideal weight...i am 148 lbs...ideal is 144.
I find that whenever hunger shows its head, if I drink a glass of water and wait 10 minutes, the hunger goes away. I still WANT to munch on something but I do not NEED to do it. When you really need to eat, the hunger feels quite different. Much more visceral/primal where it feels like my body is telling me that it will do some auto-cannibalism unless I finally give it some food.
I has been following Guy T. for several months, easier for me, as french is my native language. He cured not only cancer, but also diabetes mellitus, psoriasis and Parkinson. He is not alone to have cured cancer with alternative medicines, there are many testimonials.
Myself, I used four different alternative therapies, one of them is the one used by G.T. (except fast), each therapie being backed by testimonials and partial scientific evidence; after three monts I got rid of cancer thread, so said my second MRI.
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