I wish to apologise for using the "cure" in the title of the post I made here about a week ago.
For reference the title of the post has now been changed to "Bring PSA from 6.7 to 3.1 in 4 weeks by pure water fast (3wks) and vegan diet (1 wk)."
I now realise that I made a big mistake by using the word 'cure', because the definition of cure in this context is total remission.
For most this would mean a no symptoms whatsoever for a minimum of 5 years, and biopsies and scans to prove it.
I am also aware that the PSA score is not an accurate Gleeson score, but just a guide.
Thank you for all 72 of the comments made in the first two days before the post was edited by admin and the ability to comment was revoked. I learned a lot from both the positive and the negative.
I really appreciate your replies because I felt alone on my journey being newly diagnosed with PC, and now I feel some joy in knowing that I have company and support.
To those of you who were angered by what I wrote, and/or were concerned that I may be giving people false hope, I am truly sorry. I have learned my lesson and will not do it again.
To those of you who offered support, links, and research on alternative therapies for prostrate cancer - thank you.
Warm regards,
DADICIDAD.
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Dad: As you are newly diagnosed, and from my own experience a year and a half ago, I can only offer my encouragement and understanding.
One thing your post exemplifies is that a prostate cancer diagnosis is overwhelming from a thinking perspective - i.e. not only regarding any immediate symptoms, or the emotions regarding a possibly foreshortened future.
But PCa is so darn complicated. And add in that all this thinking drives a lot of decision making. It's high stakes, not just a hobby. (That is if you're not just going to do what various doctors say without understanding it.)
Couple of comments:
1) I can't remember if you were metastatic or not. Gleason and PSA are not proxies for each other, in the way that your comment above suggests.
2) I'm not a big fan of adding the term "water" to "fast". It kind of implies something that's not intended - a fast is a fast.
3) fasting could be fantastic, but one has two consider the risks associated with the road to sarcopenia.
4) I don't recall you mentioning exercise, but we are learning that exercise is more important than we knew or even that was possible to imagine.
5) I'm metastatic. My PSA is zero. It took 8 months to get there from 1700 (not a typo). I'm on triplet therapy. I'm not convinced that PSA change within a few weeks means very much.
Regardless, bravo finding and engaging with this forum. There are people here from all around the world! It's the best forum I have found.
So a big success for you and all of us. Prostate cancer, especially metastatic prostate cancer, and all hormone related cancers, of which breast cancer is the female counterpart, are crazy complicated.
We can learn things that will help us here - while we do our best - and while new therapies may be developed. (The silver bullet has been around the corner for 50 years 🤪.) Keep on truckin' 😀
And the reminder to do more exercise! Yes I did lose some muscle mass when I fasted, and am now working hard to get it back.
Funny how fasting is interpreted differently by different folks, isn't it. When I contacted the folks at Truenorth, they were adamant that fasting means water only, and nothing but! Then I became aware that some folks think that you can juice fast, which Truenorth would call a diet, not a fast. I added the word "water"to be clear for those folks.
I want to understand how you can have a PSA of zero and be metastatic. Does this mean that your prostate is clear of cancer but the cancer has now moved to elsewhere in your body? Or does it mean that the PSA test is completely useless as an indicator?
Thanks once again for reaching out, it means a lot to me.
And good luck with your triplet therapy. I hope it goes well.
1. A juice fast? Because we want to feed our metabolic syndrome?
2. As for PSA at zero and being metastatic - you need to read and study more. For your own sake if you want to make good decisions with your doctors.
With prostate cancer once you're metastatic, it doesn't go away, at least until you die. And PCa therapy works for a while, until it doesn't.
PSA is not useless but it is also not of direct measure of "cancer" - only a reasonable proxy for prostate cancer cell "activity", wherever those cells may be found, in the prostate or in metastases.
If one's PSA is ~zero then the therapy has put those cells to sleep - if one is lucky some cells may even have died.
How and why "sleeping" cells wake up again and why therapy stops working, or doesn't stop working, seems to be a very complicated question.
I appreciate your post. I don't know if your diet made a difference or not (I need to spend more time thinking about and looking into it), but that you said you've learned a lot from the comments is awesome! Many people don't take kindly to any feedback and start to double down on their position...
I don 't think you really need to apologize because there are a lot of other people on this website also promoting diet in some capacity as a way to fight prostate cancer, and in reality I don't think we have a permanent "cure" for cancer yet. Most of us are adult enough that we can read people's posts and decide whether we think they make sense to us or not, and censoring people can be counterproductive. Good luck, I wish you success in your treatments whatever they turn out to be! 😀🦊
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