My husband has been eating a lot of peanut butter. I read posts that it is bad for PCa. True?? His psa now 25 starting provenge soon then chemo. Last psa 21 now 25 in one month. On casodex andlupron. Had great run on zytiga then on trial keytruda and xtandi. Failure 😖 he was diagnosed 8 years ago Gleason 8. Lymph node involvement. Treated with dr snuffy Meyers who then retired. Miss him. He is going for scans today just praying not in bones. This is a ramble I know but just afraid and if peanut butter a culprit need to stop it soon. Thanks all Judy
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Peanut butter is a calorie rich and nutrition dense food.
100 Gram of peanut butter has: 600 calories, 50 grams of fat, 25 grams of protein and 10 grams of Sugar.
Also, it is rich source of Niacin, Vit B6, Vit E, Magnesium, Manganese and phosphorus.
As you notice, eating a lot of peanut butter can provide huge amount of calories especially
fat calories …..causing weight gain.
It is known that obesity is not good when it comes to prostate cancer and might worsen PSA. Also, it might worsen his Lipid profile raising risk of heart attack.
However, a small amount of peanut butter (less than 25 grams a day ) may be OK. Lets see what other members have to say about this.
I think it is generally understood (but not scientifically proven) that natural, organic (no additives) peanut butter does not fuel tumor growth.
My view is that one should generally avoid high additive, processed food in order to maintain the health of your body while on the PCa journey.
Almond and Tahini (sesame) spreads are good alternatives if peanut butter spooks you.
Must be natural.
- Pleroma
No. Too many plant based oils do cause cancer. I find studies stating this all the time. And I am living proof that peanuts and peanut oil will destroy your prostate! You all believe lies in this thread. It's sad. We didn't evolve eating grass and seeds or seed oil, such as corn oil! Veganism is wrong. Grass fed beef, pork, and seafood are way healthier than seed oils or plant oils! Give me a break. I am living proof! Omega 6 is too high in our diet. Humans evolved eating meat, tubers, berries, and sometimes nuts. Not seeds! And not seed oil! Misinformation!
That is untrue. Even grass fed animals have been given hormones and antibiotics. I am a vegan and have been for 7 years, and i am the healthiest i have ever been in my life.
I've been eating lots of peanut butter myself, as well as almond butter and sunflower seed butter. IMHO, it's a healthier option for a bagel than cream cheese. I also use olive oil where I'd previously use butter. You may notice a pattern here of substituting plant fats for animal fats where possible.
Food in general feeds cancer, just like it feeds every other cell in your body. I'm focusing on keeping the normal cells healthy and well fed (not over-fed) and hoping the drugs will take care of the cancer with some help from a healthy immune system.
Plant based oils cause prostate cancer and prostatitis! You are spreading misinformation! Animal fats are not bad for humans. Outdated science
My mom cured my dad of prostate cancer with a few natural therapies, juicing natural green juice from organic vegetables to name one. And absolutely no sugar. Cancer feeds on sugar. She had him on a raw diet, and she was on it too. They felt great. He refused chemo, and the doctors said there was nothing more they could do. His levels were at 35, and when he went for a year follow up his. Numbers were normal. No one could believe it.
Cancer does not feed on sugar
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-Patrick
Patrick could you please explain what this means?
"Peanut butter consumption was associated with a significantly increased risk {+33%} of non-advanced prostate cancer .., but not with total or advanced prostate cancer."
Is it saying that if you have PCa and it has not advanced or aggressive there is more risk?
but, if you hae advanced prostate cancer/later stage it is not a risk?
thanks...
To add to this. Nuts get rancid. I find very little peanut butter that isn't rancid. Train your nose to smell what rancid smells like.
We use almond and other nut butters. Though we do make sure it isn't rancid. We buy organic without fillers like sugar. If you can grind your own in the health food stores, you can smell the nuts and check that way. Use your nose. This is the same with so many things these days.
As far as food, I do feel it can play a part, we've seen it more with supplements that are contraindicated. As far as food. We've tried many ways of eating. We switch things up but mostly good fresh food. We aren't sweet eaters or heavy meat eaters.
It will drive you crazy monitoring everything. Do your best. I'd say everything in moderation and also try mono diet if there is a question about something that doesn't feel good that he's eating. Meaning.. eat that one thing nothing else and see how he feels.
We are doing our own thing. We aren't fanatical about anything. The only thing we are more careful about these days is caffeinated coffee that really jacks up his nervous system.
Just by common sense, when something disturbs your nervous system that greatly then we assume it's not great for him in general. Although, he has an occasional caffeinated coffee, or will use 1/4 beans.
I'm not going to say relax. I give you a lot of credit for caring and for monitoring. He's lucky.
Peanuts were not associated with increased risk - but peanut butter was.
It was a Dutch study & I have no insight into the peanut butter options in the Netherlands, or why/how they might increase risk. (However, see [1], below, for some Calvé Peanut Butter hype. Ingredients: peanuts 93%, vegetable oils and fats, salt.)
Different countries follow different screening patterns & one can't assume that the results would be similar in other countries.
"significantly increased risk {+33%} of non-advanced prostate cancer" might mean that peanut butter users were more inclined to have regular PSA tests. This can lead to PCa being detected earlier, as well as the detection of inconsequential PCa.
It does not mean that the cancer will not become advanced.
-Patrick
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From: "Six Things You Didn’t Know About the Netherlands"
6.They are crazy about peanut butter!
There are only two countries that eat more peanut butter per capita than the USA – Canada and the Netherlands. The favourite Dutch brand is Calvé Peanut Butter, which has an incredibly strong ‘cult’ following. In the Netherlands, many people start eating Calvé as children and it will be their preferred peanut butter throughout their lives, and it is considered the national brand of peanut butter.
Since production of peanut butter began in 1948, Calvé’s iconic advertising campaigns have ensured that the brand has continued to be a family favourite. It is now available to the UK public for the first time.
Comprised of 85% peanuts, Calvé peanut butter, which is produced by Unilever, contains a high concentration of healthy unsaturated fat and is a source of protein, fibres, vitamins & minerals.
There are three varieties on offer – Smooth, Crunchy and Light – all of which come in 350g jars. For those who prefer a low fat option, the Light variety has 30% less fat than the other Calvé varieties.
Although it is a firm favourite in the Netherlands, Calvé has also proven itself to be a huge hit internationally, and is sold in countries including France, Spain, Italy, Turkey, USA and China.
The company responsible for importing Calvé to the UK is Pragmatic International Trading, run by Director Toni van Eijden, who is Dutch.
“Calvé is so popular in the Netherlands that many Dutch people will not consider any other brand of peanut butter. Because of its unique texture and creamy flavour, it is seen as superior to alternative brands.
“Peanut butter is growing in popularity in the UK every year as people get more health-conscious and realise the real benefits that peanut butter can bring.
“We are sure that once people try our favourite peanut butter they will taste the difference between Calvé and the established brands. So far our feedback in the UK has been great, and Calvé is as popular as it is in the Netherlands!”
Calvé peanut butter is usually enjoyed on bread, toast or in a sandwich, but is incredibly versatile and can be used in baking, milkshakes and curries too. As a good source of protein, it is a great choice for vegetarians, vegans and those on other diets.
thanks.. Patrick.. interesting aside about the Netherlands and peanut butter...
there are better nut butters like macadamia and almond.. IMO
Most all plant based oils are horrible for the prostate. This is the consensus and I am living proof! Animals fats are good for humans. We didn't evolve eating seeds! You need to get with the program. Corn oil is bad and butter is healthy!
No, it's pretty healthy. It contain fat 50%, protein 25%, carb 20% and an array of minerals and vitamins. Choose real peanut butter. It should contain nothing but peanuts and a bit of salt. Avoid the junk with added sugar and oil.
You can read all sorts of garbage on this forum, mostly posted by people who don't understand how to evaluate studies. I hope you will only pay attention to what is actually credible, otherwise you will drive yourself and your husband crazy.
"What is actually credible" , that is what's crucial. People have different views about what is credible.
It's not up to laymen like us to judge what is credible. Credibility is judged (as all science is) by a consensus of the top scientists.* They have analyzed the kinds of studies that have reproducible results and the kinds that haven't. As a result of their analysis of thousands of studies, they have come to a consensus of the kinds of studies that constitute higher and lower "levels of evidence." In addition, they may evaluate the quality of each study and assign it a "GRADE." At the top end of the spectrum is a large, confirmed, well-done randomized clinical trial (Level 1a). At the bottom of the spectrum are mouse and lab studies and professional opinions (Level 5).
*For example, climate change. A consensus of 97% of climate change scientists agree that climate change is a result of human activities. You and I don't have the expertise to look at all the studies and become expert enough to evaluate them all for ourselves, so we rely on the expertise of scientists who study such things professionally.
I agree with your example regarding climate change. But even then it's much more difficult to come up with a consensus of how to tackle climate change.
But remember this thread was originally about peanut butter.
Its not practicable to have the top scientists form a consensus from high level studies for every aspect of diet with regard to PCa. Not enough highest quality studies have been done and they are unlikely to be done any time soon due to lack of funding.
For people with serious health issues the buck then stops with them and/or their medical advisors with making whatever sense they can from the evidence available, if they can be bothered to do so.
I agree that diet is a difficult thing to do useful trials with. There are a few, but not many. I also understand (from my own experience) the pressing need to DO something, and diet is a relatively easy thing to do. But there really is no credible evidence that dietary changes can benefit existing prostate cancer, at least in the near term. Lacking such evidence, we are all free to make up the diets that we believe will work for us (providing the diets are not so extreme that they impair our health). But let's not kid ourselves that we are doing anything based on credible evidence. We all do whatever makes us feel good about our choices. There is no credible evidence.
Our bodies and the microbiota that we support (there are many more of them than of us) have co-evolved to get what we need from the foods we eat, and to discard the rest. We will never be able to use diet to outsmart the complex systems that billions of years of evolution has led to (let alone metastasized cancer, which evolves faster than anything we can throw at it). I believe that working with evolution rather than against it is the best strategy. I think we do best when we give our bodies a large variety of balanced nutrients to draw from, without extremes in any single nutrient.
Diet is a relatively easy thing to change and there is no credible evidence that changes will not benefit existing PCa to some extent, so why not make changes in accordance with the limited evidence that exists? Also, as you point out, doing something, not just relying on the SOC can have a psychological benefit. Patients feel less powerless.
With regard to your use of the word "credible", it means "believable" or "convincing", it does not mean "beyond doubt". Using the beyond doubt criterion might be essential for powerful and expensive drugs but is not essential for foods considered safe. I don't think many people who change their diet for PCa kid themselves that they are definitely helping with PCa.
I don't think your understanding of PCa evolving over billions of years is correct. It evolves during the life of an individual, yes, but then dies when we die. The real problem is the failure of our cell reproduction and immune systems to evolve over billions of years to counteract it. This failure to evolve is mainly due PCa developing after we have and nurture our children and therefore not affecting the survival of our children before they themselves reproduce. No doubt individual genetic weaknesses are involved.
I think you and Tall_Allen are more in agreement than disagreement. Both of you are suggesting dietary changes to fight cancer, but you differ in whether the effects are direct or indirect (ie, you feel better having changed your diet).
There is a very real danger in putting too much importance on diet in a cancer forum. Some members, like me, are in a situation where it can be difficult to maintain our weight. When I try to eliminate "bad" food, my weight starts to plummet. During chemo, ice cream was a tasty source of needed calories that soothed my sore mouth and throat. During that time my PSA plummeted regardless of what I ate.
Eating healthy is great, but avoiding starvation should be a higher priority.
Our genomes evolved over billions of years. The cancer is one of our cells and contains our entire genetic material - its DNA is our DNA. The problem is its genome has changed, but not its genetics. Things that should be off are on, and things that should be on are off - but they are all there. There are transcription errors. The controls on our genomics fail increasingly as we age for lots of reasons.
I'm a big believer in the psychological effect. How could any of us get through life without at least some "magical thinking" (as Joan Didion calls it)? But I'm also a big believer in being kind, especially to people who are sick. I am saddened when, say, a wife deprives her husband of milk and sugar in his coffee in the misguided belief that depriving him is doing something for him. It's their choice, of course, but some of those people become "true believers" and get on forums preaching their gospel. (My own religious beliefs are anti-ascetic -- I don't believe in making deals with God.)
The limited dietary evidence for prostate cancer so far tells us this: increasing vegetables won't help, cutting out dairy doesn't help, cutting out red meat doesn't help, cutting down on saturated fats helps only if you have a BRCA mutation (which is rare). The limited evidence in humans tells us that dietary changes won't help. There is, however, a wealth of evidence of how dietary changes can help mice. Unfortunately, what is true for mice is seldom true for humans.
First hand experience Trump's estimates. Peanuts are horrible for the prostate. We didn't evolve eating grass and seeds. Animal fats are way healthier than plant oils. The modern age of misinformation!
Peanut butter per se is not linked to PCa or PCa progression, but it can affect your lipid profile, and high total cholesterol is associated with progression of advanced PC.
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After PCa dx, I switched to PB6 powdered peanut butter, which only has about 1.5 grams saturated fat per tbsp, compared with about 6.0 grams in natural PB. I think it helped reduce my TC from 230 to 184, among other things like cutting out steaks and whole milk.
Wrong! Tons of studies show it is and I am living proof! This thread is full misinformed people. Peanuts are horrible for the prostate. Plant based oils should be avoided and animals fats should be consumed. We didn't evolve eating grass and seeds! We eat animals, fungi, tubers, berries. Not corn oil! Butter is way healthier!
Dr. Myers had issue with the particular type of oil it has.
He thought that almond butter on the other hand was affirmatively good for prostate cancer patients.
Good grief! What next? Pretty soon all that will be left that is safe to consume will be water, and even that isn’t safe if you believe the studies on it. Even vegans aren’t safe. I think we all need to immediately toss out all of our peanut butter and go to your nearest 5 Guys for a bacon double cheeseburger and a bag of fries. 😉
That’s my go to lunch, a peanut butter (sugar free all natural) WW wrap with apple slices and fresh berries. I eat it pretty much daily. Hasn’t affected my weight or disease status. Probably a good idea to avoid PB with sugar, hydrogenated oils etc. for general health reasons.
I remember asking Dr. Myers about PB and he had no problem with it as long as you avoid the sugary kind.
Ed
I have been eating large quantities of Skippy Extra Crunchy PB several times a week for more years than i can count, including yesterday..I hope it didnt cause my prostate cancer, but if it did i can live with it vs the alternative of going without it. At 79 my give a damn is sort of busted! I agree with Tall's earlier comments. Happy PB everyone!
Peanut butter, peanut oil and peanuts are all very high in Omega 6 oils. The ratio of Omega 6 to Omega 3 in peanut oil is 5320:1, which is extremely high. Omega 6 fatty acids are pro-inflammatory; Omega 3, anti-inflammatory. The objective should be to maintain a healthy ratio of Omega 6 to 3 to control inflammation, which contributes to many health conditions including arthritis, cardiovascular health and cancer. So, should prostate cancer patients be eating a lot of peanuts? Sadly, no. I love them too.
I eat small amounts of 100% natural and organic peanut butter, usually from Costco. The ingredients are: organic peanuts. What contributes to heart disease and cancer are added oils such as: sunflower, safflower etc. Eat things in their natural state, organic if possible, and in moderation. I like adding a little of my PB to some cashewgurt (cashew yogurt).
Hey you cant take all the fun out of life.....whats next pizza....
Judy,
The main concern with all nuts for prostate cancer is fat intake. Prostate cancer is fueled more by fat than by sugar as some other cancers. My husband has eliminated almost all omega 6 fats. He only eats flax oil, no butter or other oils. He is doing the Budwig diet which is heavy in flax oil/omega 3's and he eats more vegetarian, including home-made veggie pizza with a very small amount of fresh mozzarella. We stay away from red meat and chicken, eggs and most dairy except organic nonfat Greek yogurt (used in the Budwig diet), only fish occasionally including sardines (he loves a sardine sandwich!). His diet includes juicing and eating as low-glycemic as possible. You may want to research metformin with statin for prostate cancer. These two drugs may possibly help with PSA rise and/or life extension. Our oncologist prescribed these drugs for my husband. Also he is taking Fenbendazole, almost 1 gram a day. This is slowing pc development as he is IV with mets and has gone resistant to Firmagon and Xtandi after 4 years. He does not plan to take any chemo or radiation as we are using off-patent drugs to contain the cancer and to keep a good quality of life. Hope this helpful!
Wow!!!!!! Now I'm scared, confused, elated, and very happy :)))
"Live to love and love to live" a quote by me.
Small Alan
Ps. Thank God my super crunchy Fix&Fog is 99.95% Argentinian hi-oleic peanuts and 0.05% Marlborough Sea Salt (just down the road from me. I eat buy the truck load along with 99% dark chocolate. My PSA has been dropping over the last 4 months.
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Judymin, I know this Matastised cancer is scary, but I truly feel peanut butter is Not a culprit in causing, aiding or exacerbating cancer. Best luck on husbands scan.
Hey Judymin!
A few years ago I asked my herbalist about peanut butter and prostate cancer. his answer was --NO! Peanuts are really a legume that grow underground, possible fungus. He isn't the only one. However, in a Doctor Greger video it is stated that peanuts are good as a food for men that have had prostate cancer. Conflicting! Other sources both verbally and on line have said that if a man has had prostate cancer peanuts should be avoided. Sad news for me as I am on a Ruth Heidrich type of diet and was hoping for some protein.
Patrick posted one of those disappointing studies about peanuts and men with prostate cancer similar to what I read--so--when in doubt, do without!
The rest of the population can continue to enjoy peanuts and peanut products.
One last thing--the herbalist is in his mid-eighties. Patrick's post covers the science end and the herbalist covers the holistic end. Two votes to one is how I figured it. Disappointing!
Currumpaw
Only one comment... If you're gonna eat peanut butter on sliced untoasted white bread, make sure you have someone near who knows the Heimlich Maneuver cause that sucker is gonna stick to the roof of your mouth and choke you to death..... (and make motions with your hands cause you won't be able to cry for help)....
Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.
j-o-h-n Monday 10/07/2019 9:01 PM DST
Avoid plant based oils as much as possible. I am living proof. They cause cancer. Grass fed beef, pork, and seafood are all way healthier than eating seeds or seed based oils! Man, why does everyone believe the lies. Tons of scientific studies show how bad concentrated plant based oils are!
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