Fenbendazole Just Might be Working–Part 1

[cigafred]

I do not pretend that the following proves anything, or is much good as evidence. The move from 0.02 to <0.02 is certainly small. Obviously it could all go poof with the next PSA test, but until then I am hopeful. My MO, not a supplements fan, isnot impressed.

I have read that Fenbendazole is expected to (start to?) show its impact 12 to 20 weeks after initiation. My 9th week PSA reading went to undetectable.

Date PSA

5/4/09 5.3RP, Gleason 3+4, only negative was focal perineural invasion

10/27/110.22BC Relapse

9,10/20120.66Salvage Radiation (no benefit)

7/30/141.89Nano-MRI, Radboud, Nijmegen, 8 lymph node mets, 4-9 mm,

left para-aortic and right common iliac

2,3/2015IMRT to lymph node mets with 3 months degarelix

6/17/15<0.01Resulting PSAAs the degarelix wore off, PSA returned

12/22/163.64re-started degarelix

6/8/170.02PSA reached on 6/8/17

Continued at exactly 0.02 for 22 measurements until 8/6/19

8/20/180.02Switched from degarelix to lupron due to side effects

6/4/19Started Fenbendazole, one week constant, then 3 days on/4 off

8/6/19<0.02PSA undetectable, confirmed by repeat test 8/8/19

PSA measured on the same machine since September 2015–machine minimum reading 0.02.

Later, if all goes well, I will do an ultra-sensitive test.

I have for some time been taking small amounts of nattokinase, beta-glucan, modified citrus pectin, IP6 & inositol, cantabiline, berberine, and a selection of the common supplements like milk thistle and curcumin. I follow a pescatarian diet, no dairy. No recent changes.

How are the rest of you testing fenbendazole doing?

[Shooter1]

Stable at 0.12/0.13 for last 3 mo on benfendazole. Good or bad??? Guess stable is good, been the same for a year so at least no harm.

[kapakahi]

PSA 1/08: 2.5

2/04/08: 6.6

2/14/08 8.8

DX 2/19/08: Gleason 8; then changed to 4+3, then to 3+4; no mets

HIFU #1: 4/08 (Regensburg, Germany)

PCa recurs: 2/10

HIFU #2: 4/10 (Nuremburg, Germany)

PCa recurs: 3/13

HIFU #3: 5/13 (Lyon, France - France has better pastries)

PCa recurs: 6/15

HIFU #4: 7/15 (Lyon, France - France still has better pastries)

PSA 6/18: 0.6

11/18: 0.9

4/19 1.8

5/19 2.277

Axumin scan 6/04: uptake and location suggests PCa, consistent with history of PCa; no indication of mets

Urologist recommends TRUS biopsy; I postpone decision; he orders MRI at my request

Start fenben 6/12/19: 4 grams, two weeks, 3 days on/4 days off

MRI 6/27/19: suggestive of PCa given history

Rejected in request for MRI-guided biopsy; radiologist says he "can't see what to biopsy" due to scarring from HIFUs

PSA 7/15/19: 1.824

Fenben 7/18 - 8/13/19: 4 grams, 4 weeks, 3 days on/4 days off

PSA 8/14/19: 1.505

Fenben 8/16 - 9/10/19: 4 grams, 4 weeks, 3 days on/4 days off

PSA 9/11/19: ?.??? (to be cont.)

No known side effects yet; liver tests upcoming

[CrocodileShoes]

Are the Febendazole experimental group taking any other ADT therapies or is this a monotherapy? I've clearly didn't get a memo and need to catch up!

[j-o-h-n in reply to CrocodileShoes]

Hello C S.... Would you be kind enough to give us some details regarding your Pca? Age? Location? PSA and Gleason scores? Treatments to date? Treatment center(s)? Doctor's name(s). All info voluntary but it help us help you and helps us too. Thank you...

Did you know that crocodiles wear human shoes?

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Wednesday 09/11/2019 5:08 PM DST - Another day to remember.

[monte1111 in reply to j-o-h-n]

Damn. These hums don't fit.

[j-o-h-n in reply to monte1111]

Try some Hymns instead of Hums.... like

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Wednesday 09/11/2019 8:05 PM - Another day to remember.

[CrocodileShoes in reply to j-o-h-n]

Apologies John. Very happy to share my history. DX'd in 2009.PSA 3.7; Gleason 3+4 Had High Dose Brachy and low-dose radiotherapy and all was good until late 2017, when PSA began to rise. BCR was diagnosed, and I started on Bicalutamide 150 mg as a monotherapy. I attempted a form of intermittent ADT, but PSA oscillated wildly (as low as 1.8, as high as 18) A few months ago I had a PSMA scan which showed bilateral tumour, with seminal vesicle involvement. But technically, Stage 3. I've been hormone sensitive for two years, (as my man boobs demonstrate) and investigating possible slavage treatments that might still work with seminal vesicles. Cryotherapy seems likeliest option, but also investigating IRE. I'm currently supplementing Casodex with POMI-T, Reservatrol, Vit D, and about to start Berberine, having shown no tolerance for Metformin. My current PSA is 2.4.

I was actually an early participant in the repurposed trial run by Care Oncology - and I've also taken Cimetedine. The data seems to suggest that anti-worming/ anti-inflammatories have an impact, but not for me unfortunately.

Hope this helps.

[j-o-h-n in reply to CrocodileShoes]

Thank you for your detailed reply. It may be a good idea to copy and paste it to your introduction page, where you say "Hi I'm CrocodileShoes". This way we can refer to it...

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Thursday 09/12/2019 3:01 PM DST

[CrocodileShoes in reply to j-o-h-n]

Will do!

[Hidden]

Great that you are keeping data on what is going on! So much good material is lost because the "experiment" is full of holes. My take on your numbers:

You cancer load is too low to get a "kill" PSA spike on less sensitive PSA machines. We need someone with more P cancer (PSA >1) to take a dose or two and measure the PSA after 24 hours from the first dose. If there is killing going on, the PSA should rise. That would be great news and add another killer to our arsenal. No need to wait months to find a result. I would give it a go, but am in the middle of other experiments right now.

Fenbendazole kills gut worms. A person with a load of gut worms will also have a bad gut biome (worm crap is not good for you and they are eating your food), and a reduced immune system. Killing the bad guys will also up the natural kill rate of cancer cells, and a lower PSA should result after a few weeks. This factor needs to be taken into account when working out how many cancer cells are killed directly by being "poisoned".

The good news is this is deemed "safe" to use in humans with little side affects, so perhaps more people will experiment and see what happens.

[Tommyj2]

What IS Fenbendazone?? Sometimes I look at the protocols many here are following and I simply want to believe that "best practices" really ARE best practices because this is what I can afford..... being here is sort of like the guy who can't afford really good legal representation.... If he's lucky he'll make it but more often than not he's screwed.... People running off to Europe for Tx... supplements that cost more than my monthly income. Daily personal trainers that enable some to maintain muscle mass and more.... in my next life I am going to have to make a LOT more money : )

[j-o-h-n in reply to Tommyj2]

In your next life money won't be worth a shit.... it'll be clean water that will make you rich....

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Wednesday 09/11/2019 5:11 PM DST - Another day to remember.

[Tommyj2]

Oops.... Fenbendazole!!... no response needed I looked it up and have a bit of an idea now about why one would add it to a supplement regime....

[cigafred in reply to Tommyj2]

And the cost is quite low, less than $10/week, even less if you go for the Safeguard at Walmart.

[Tommyj2 in reply to cigafred]

Out of personal curiosity.... looking at your profile I am wondering why you didn't try more definitive curative Tx initially??..... Frankly... it appears that you are doing as well as most here who did but that begs the question....?? Side effect issues??

[Tommyj2 in reply to cigafred]

OOPS.... sorry... mixed you up with someone else.... please ignore question....

[Hidden]

I've been taking FenBen since 04/09/19, 1g 3 on/4 off along with the Gamma E, and CBD as described in Joe Tippens' protocol. However, my PSA has been undetectable since March so I can't say if there has been any benefit beyond preventative.

[Ralph1966 in reply to Hidden]

Hi Indyflyer,

I am thinking to start the same protocol as yours, but I am worried about the Gamma E Vitamin. Is it safe to take it for a long time? I read conflicting research about Vitamin E and prostate cancer progression.

My second question is from where you buy these 3 supplements? and how about a good quality Curcumin (Turmeric) which brand you are using?

Thank you!

Ralph

[Hidden in reply to Ralph1966]

Hi Ralph,

I bought the FenBen from CalVet online. I can buy it at any of several local pet supply stores off the shelf too. The price is the same either way.

I take Gamma E from LifeExtension: tinyurl.com/y54chrhj Since my PSA is undetectable I may pulse the FenBen and gamma E, cycling eight weeks (3days on/4days off) and then eight weeks off. Though I have been continuous for the past 5 months.

I prepare my own CBD tincture using concentrate from Freedom CBD: freedomcbd.co/ I buy the concentrate syringe and mix with MCT oil to get 25mg daily at 78% concentration. They have easy instructions on their website. That way I know that I'm getting the right stuff. They certify their product and publish the third party reports.

I do not take curcumin, I know Joe includes it in the protocol but there have been reports that curcumin/tumeric alter serum PSA readings to be lower than actual number, so I avoid it. I want accurate PSA readings and the curcumin isn't a necessity to I'm okay without it.

It seems like there is always a contra indication for long term use of many supplements, sometimes its hard to know which to follow. Many people are taking higher doses of the FenBen and continuously rather than pulsing 3/4. There are no reported problems with liver function from larger doses and continuous use. Since we're all a one person clinical trial anyway, we are free to pursue our own journey, so long as we monitor potential interactions and consequences by watching other bodily functions for adverse impact.

I also take low dose aspirin, Vit D3 w/K2, and black maca (for adrenal support) daily.

Keep up the fight, we're all in this together.

Daniel

[Ralph1966 in reply to Hidden]

Thank you Daniel for the thorough explanation.

Appriciated!

[StayingOptimistic in reply to Hidden]

Hi

How is it going with the fenbendazole please? I started a week ago straight then I will switch to the 3/4 routine after holidays. Happy holidays

[Loves2golf]

PSA was headed down for several months with Zytiga and Lupron. Started Fenben and next 2 readings, after 15 weeks of using it, showed an increase in PSA. My husband spoke to the Pharmacist, and he said fenben would interact with Zytiga in the liver making Zytiga less effective. He stopped using it 6 weeks ago, and we will get his next PSA reading on Tuesday. I am hoping he will see his PSA dropping again. If it's still rising, I guess Fenben had nothing to do with it.

[No_stone_unturned in reply to Loves2golf]

I know this post was long ago, but did you ever come to a conclusion?

[cigafred in reply to No_stone_unturned]

I stopped ADT and my PSA came roaring back, so no more fenben and back on ADT. I saw that Joe Tippens now claims lots of successes with PC (on the cases that are being audited by Emery, Stanford, and OMRO).

[No_stone_unturned in reply to cigafred]

Did you see any benefit of doing both? I’ve been doing 400-800mg a day for about a year as well as Zytiga. I’ve been castrate resistant for about 6months. My scans show no progression, my AP is 85, but my psa is rising (just under doubling). Is this evidence that something’s working or am I wanting it to badly to work?

[cigafred in reply to No_stone_unturned]

I do not know if there was any benefit to the two together--see the initial post, that is all I know.

[Loves2golf in reply to No_stone_unturned]

Nothing ever worked. My husband passed away July 31, 2021.

[No_stone_unturned in reply to Loves2golf]

I’m so sorry.

[Golf4eva in reply to Loves2golf]

Sorry to hear but may he rest in peace and that you will find rest from your grief.

[Gentleman999]

Please clarify the fenbendazole dosage to take. Packaging is based on dog weight and maximum is 40 pounds per packet. If one weights 160, does it mean to take 4 packets each time?

[cigafred]

Forget the dogs, Joe says 1 gram of powder which contains 222 mg fenbendazole, 3 times/week. See my later postings for why I stopped. And see Joe Tippens' web site, Facebook page, etc.

[Lovinlife53]

I just added Fenbendazole (3ml) to my Ivermectine (3ml weekly) to test this out. I've been on a vacation from Zoladex for 11 months. (Diagnosed with recurrent PC in Dec 2023). I feel great. My PSA in Sept 2024 was .05. Hoping that it remains at that (or lower!) My next PSA test mid December.