i’ve tried all the natural remedies and am still testing positive for this plus i also have SIBO.
Tried matula tea (1 month perhaps not for long enough) mastic gum, Toxaprevent.
The quadruple therapy is made up of bismuth, tetracyline, metronidazole and omeprazole for 10 days. Absolutely dreading it but feel i have no choice as gut in such bad shape.
thanks very much for your feedback
I can’t help you with the effects of the four together but have been on metronidazole for a parasite. I was expecting it to be awful but I had no side effects at all, other than a bit of dizziness. Sorry I couldn’t be more help
yes, I took these after a gastroscopy picked up h pylori. I only had the 2 antibiotics tetracycline & metronidazole though as the other drugs you mention are a PPI & bismuth, presumably given to lower/ deal with acid. I had been prescribed a PPI prior to the gastroscopy only to then find that they were the opposite of what I needed as my issue was low acid not high related to the pernicious anaemia & Hashimoto’s I was later diagnosed with. I can’t remember any serious side effects from the combo of antibiotics, other than slightly loose stools. I took a good dose of probiotics before & after the treatment. Good luck!
PS. PPIs also block the absorption of b12 (& I would guess some other nutrients) so not a good idea generally & the worst possible thing to give someone with very low b12/pernicious anaemia!
Hi, i think the bismuth is to help with eradication and the ppi to protect your stomach. Did you redo an endoscopy or breath test after the treatment and test negative for h.pylori?
Did you feel better after the treatment was finished? Digest better?
Ha! No of course there was no repeat testing or endoscopy!! It was the NHS. The whole thing was an absolute sh**show tbh, & I was more concerned that I had pernicious anaemia & Hashimoto’s & was pushing for testing/ treatment regarding that. I was then started on the protocol for PA of intensive b12 injections & not long after (inadequate amounts of) T4. I can’t really say that I felt better because there were these other issues going on but my gastro symptoms were never that bad, more like indigestion which I don’t have now.
This was 2016 so the protocol may have changed for h pylori but I’ve just checked & the NICE guidance stipulates the 2 abx & a PPI (which I would definitely avoid long term). No mention of bismuth. Acid reflux type symptoms are just as likely to be low acid rather than high with a thyroid condition , so I would look into that. With adequate thyroid replacement, low acid is often helped. I follow the Zoe protocol for gut health & never have any tummy/ gastro issues. I also read somewhere that chamomile tea (I think?)is good for h pylori, so Google that maybe to check. All the best! ☺️
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Thanks very much. I’ve never had acid reflux just very bad digestion. Undigested food particles in stools. Inability to eat large meals etc green stools. I had a huge amount of stress in last 6 months which i think increased inflammation with existing h.pylori.
I’m in France and the quadruple protocol is bismuth, tetracycline, metronidazole and omeprazole. So in fact 2 abx plus bismuth which helps eradication.
Its quite easy to get either a breath test or stool antigen for h pylori from one’s GP. I’ve found the breath test to be more accurate in terms of how much information it gives.
H Pylori is naturally found in the stomach, and is not a bad things until we get too much of it. I read somewhere that it is present for a reason, and we should not get rid of it completely.
As always, and based on personal experience, I strongly recommend trying a probiotic , with water kefir being the one that I find easiest to make and take. decdun.me.uk/Kefir/Water_ke...
I would highly recommend drinking freshly pressed cabbage juice. Works wonders with any GI issues. Google around and you’ll find it helped a lot of people. Good luck !
My sister did it and it went by relatively ok. She was having gall bladder issues for quite a long time beforehand. However although eradicated it did not stop her gallbladder issues and had to have that removed.
I used Organic, Oil of Oregano and it worked but Cedarwood Oil is the best for H Pylori. The Oregano cleared up the parasite in my Kidney back in 2022.
It’s quite a challenge to have antibiotics with SIBO. I have SIBO purely because of the number of antibiotics I’ve had to have for UTIs and other infections.
My GP recommended probiotics and this was a huge mistake. I had ‘die off’ from the probiotics and also from the antibiotics. To add to the misery, I take Omeprazole too which, like all PPIs, causes absorption issues. Long term use of PPIs has caused me to have Iron and nutrient deficiency.
I haven’t got HPylori though. That’s about the only plus in this sorry mess. In your situation, you may have to ‘bite the bullet’ and go for quadruple therapy. If this is the reason for your gastritis you really have no option.
Sorry to be such a Prophet of Doom 😬
The functional doctor am using thinks i need to get rid of the h pylori before attacking the sibo. Metronidazole is supposed to get rid of one type of sibo. Yes if i’ve tried everything then it seems the only option. I would never use ppi’s normally as not necessary. There are some probiotics that are apparently ok with sibo. A soil based one called bacillus coagulans which i read about on Chris Kresser website. Also s.boulardii is supposed to be ok for sibo and for using with abx.
Thanks for that info. Do you have methane SIBO?
I’ve used s.boulardii to no avail.
Are you saying that you’re taking PPI only as part of the Quadruple Therapy protocol? Not heard of that before
Its part of the protocol called Pylera. To protect the stomach i guess. Yes only as part of protocol. I have methane and hydrogen sibo. It started as methane last year and is now both. I don’t know how my gut will recover from abx without probiotics… this is why i’ve been so reluctant to do it so far as i knew there was an issue with abx and SIBO
I didn’t know there was an issue with abx and Sibo - until I did! Then I find there’s also an issue with probiotics taken to prevent antibiotic diarrhoea ….. and then with some Probiotics and Sibo.
I’m giving up hope of my gut ever recovering from all this. I’m thinking of trying Berberine but there are more side effects than I want to even think about.
At the crux of all this is the matter of antibiotic resistance - and yet these drugs are still be churned out.
I tried Berberine twice, it didn’t suit me at all which is annoying because I bought a large bag of it lol
Thanks for the warning! What side effects did you have?
It seemed to create a feeling of uneasiness and anxiety. I stopped taking it for a while and then restarted and had the same feelings again so stopped. It might be that the dose was too high but I wasn’t sure it was helping anyway.
Apparently Berberine can be challenging for the gut.
I’d agree with that.
People are also trying to use it as a substitute for Metformin - diabetic medication.
Very foolish.
Just to update you, i just spoke to my gut health practitioner in the uk and she said going from my last GI Map my system isn’t strong enough to make the quadruple abx a success although she isn’t totally against them as they have bismuth in. Wants to build up adrenal support, sleep (which is crap atm) do a 4 point saliva test and then decide. Otherwise she uses ADP oregano and other stuff. Says she has an 80% success rate with h.pylori
That’s interesting. Bertwills just mentioned Oregano. I was going to warn against bismuth when I replied to your previous post - but thought it was one of those times when I should keep my mouth shut 🤫.
Your practitioner sounds very knowledgable and seems to be aware of your individual needs. I hope you’re soon on the road to recovery Cranky. Take care 😊
you could try Ivermectin or Panacur? Both kill parasites.
Its not a parasite its a bacteria
I know but there is a good chance ivermectin will work.
Domestos kills all known germs. If only 🤣
Panacur? I thought that was for worming animals!
Indeed it is but like Ivermectin it seems it is diverse in its ability to fix other problems. I have my husband on both as he’s having chemo, he saw his consultant after 3 rounds and he said his recovery was so impressive he felt he’d make a complete recovery. His blood proteins created by cancer have dropped from 254 at the start to 16, he’s holding his own so we’re quite optimistic. Given that he was diagnosed with stage 4 with liver mets, spots on his lungs and aorta and a lesion on his sacrum I’m very willing to believe that the Ivermectin and Fenbendazole (Panacur) are doing a good job.
Be wary of taking tetracycline. I took it for severe acne & i blame it for my hypothyroidism. It can cause serious damage to your thyroid. Maybe you already don’t have much thyroid activity but if you do i wouldn’t take it.
Oregano oil worked for me & manuka honey worked for my husband.
Well. There’s a few ideas. Thanks Bertwills
In my teens, I was given low dose Tetracycline long term for acne. I developed a severe allergy. Now anaphylactic risk if I take it.
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