Hi there.......I'm in my 20th year of being a hypothyroid mess. Much to my shame I have never heard anything about T2"s before. Does anyone know where I can source some cheaper than the US Westin Child's brand? . I have just paid £80+ . The shipping is outrageous on top of an already expensive brand. I know T2 hasnt got an amazing press. But then I've tried Armour, NP, Nature Throid, bovine, porcine, iodine etc over the years all to not much avail. And I can't afford the prices of natural anymore.
I'm currently on T3 and T4. So at this point I've got nothing to lose.
Anyone that could point me in the right direction or who have positive experiences with it , I'd be buzzing if you could share and send it. Many thanks in advance 🙏
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Just because we have T2 naturally as part of our total thyroid function, does not mean taking it exogenously will biologically slip right into the body’s cellular chain reactions and top off your thyroid function.
T2 is marketed and studied as a weight loss and workout supplement. Even the most glowing of recommendations note these are completely untested, inconsistent and have side effects and risks that are unknown whether they outweigh any benefits there might be.
Even Westin Childs doesn’t have anything definitive to say other than - hey, it’s worth trying! But even he is hawking it for its metabolic and weight loss benefits. Which for me is a red flag for junk science.
in addition to increased metabolism and reduced fat mass, T2 administration also leads to suppression of the HPT axis, increased food intake, and cardiac hypertrophy. A particular point of concern is the observation that the lower dose of T2 used by the authors exerts negligible effects on adiposity and metabolic outcomes, yet results in a marked suppression of the HPT axis leading to reduced levels of circulating T4 and T3 (and presumably TSH), with unknown long-term consequences. The implication of this finding is that, for a given dose, the detrimental effects of T2 on the HPT axis may preferentially occur before the intended metabolic ones. Thus, for the time being, these new data should compel users of T2-containing supplements to assess their thyroid status, err on the side of caution, and limit their daily dose, as appropriate.
You may note the date is 2015, and wonder if there is anything more recent. I couldn’t find anything - and even Westin Childs article footnotes this one.
Thank you. Desperate times and measures now tho. I have had surgery twice and have still never managed to lose weight ...It's all hormonal. And after all these years I'm full up to the brim of the thyroid situation. So I am still keen to see if I could be one of the lucky folk who it actually shows promise for.
That being said - welcome to the conversation… I see you’re a longtime member but this is your first post!!!!
Hopefully you can share your thyroid blood test results and history so we know more about you and can offer more relevant shared experiences.
It is far more likely there are opportunities to optimize your core “traditional” thyroid treatment and vitamins.
Re to this post - is your goal to feel better, optimize your thyroid hormone levels… or to lose weight?
Further - even if you were to explore other options out on the edges … if you are truly looking at T2, please do read that paper in my first reply carefully. You will see that there is no one who says t2 can help optimize your thyroid hormone situations. And yet there is scientific evidence that the impact it does have in your hpt axis actually holds real risks.
One thing this board has helped me with is not making rash decisions when I feel desperate. This is a tough balancing act on a good day. T2 is very unlikely to make a positive difference. But if you do want to invest in it - please be proactive about your TSH, FT4 and FT3 and those will most likely be impacted in unknown ways.
I am a long time member indeed. Many moons ago when I was searching for T3 information it bought me here. A wealth of knowledge. My thyroid levels have been up and down. I was sent to Leeds under the consult who gave me mega doses of T4 to see how my absorption rate was. This fizzled out because I got a letter saying I was okay. Despite the fact that 1000 mcg's on a Monday for six weeks and 200mcgs daily didn't even push me into hyper.
I am currently on the last supply of the T3 that I have that I was prescribed from out of area. My area won't prescribe. I have appealed. I have got my useless MP involved. Nothing can be done. I don't have the energy to push anymore it's taking up my life . After that's gone they won't prescribe anymore. So I'll have to source my own again. I have never been optimal in feeling okay- never. I have adjusted over the last 20 years to work with what I've got. I have to wear clip in hair. I have had weight loss surgery twice. Yet I'm still over weight. And yes, I'm vain. It matters. Because I shouldn't be fat.
I am anaemic despite having a healthy diet and making sure I get heme iron.
I am working on my gut at present. Trying to put back beneficial gut flora. Which may be missing. So have been eating L-reuteri yoghurt, and have the L-gasseri on route from overseas. I don't generally eat dairy or gluten. Maybe a hint of milk in a hot drink occasionally. But I find both dairy and gluten inflammatory.
I am quite clued up on the importance of co-factors. Selenium, b- vitamins, magnesium potassium vitamin D etc to help my body function. I am also aware of the importance of good sources for these. You can't just take supplements from Amazon. I have taken my time in researching the best bio available ones to use. I have tried everything over the past twenty years. T2 is one of the only things I haven't.
I don't mind sticking two fingers up at my doctor and adjusting my dose and taking whatever makes me feel okay. Even if the T3 allegedly puts me at risk of bone thinning. I'm as good as old now anyway. Sorry for the long reply! I will attach the last two set of results. They have little or no meaning as such as they messing about with my levels telling me not to take T3, then telling me up, then drop the T4's. I went along with itz but they are clueless. Thank you for the reply.
Why not go entirely on t3? I was told by the late Dr Peatfield to do so years ago and never looked back. Another boost I have had in the last couple of years is through the Zoe Personalised Nutrition programme. I now have much more energy, I lost weight, sleep better and feel more clear headed. My gut also feels a heck of a lot better.
I did try just the T3 probably about 10 years ago. However I wasn't well supported by my doctor, I was finding it hard to get the dosage right for myself. When I have to source my own T3's I can usually only get the Turkish ones . However a lot has changed in ten years with me. So yeah, actually I'd be willing to give this another shot.....Hadn't really crossed mt mind ro do this again.
Be care ful with Zoe, I haven’t used it but friends have. Read the Trustpilot review before you sign up. It’s a subscription service & be aware that if you cancel you lose all the results of the tests done so do screen shots of everything first. Apparently they’re difficult to communicate with too.
The diet relies heavily on beans & legumes. My sensitive stomach couldn’t tolerate that which is one of the reasons I didn’t join in.
I think their ideology is good but the execution doesn’t quite live up to expectations.
Regarding Zoe, there is a mass of information that is all free, you don't have to sign up for their screening etc. I have learnt an awful lot by listening to their podcasts, but have never paid anything.
My sister and her husband subscribe. He no longer needs medication for his blood pressure and the two of them have lost weight without trying, but they adopted a new lifestyle and neither were vastly overweight.
Another thought, you may do better trying LDN, low dose naltrexone. It’s available privately but cheaply from clinic158.com. I’ve been using it for years with some success.
There is a forum here on Health Unlocked. Not active like this one but with much info on it. It seems to boost the effectiveness of thyroid hormone doses & reduces inflammation, it takes 3 months to reach full dose of 4,5 mcg. The clinic puts you in touch with a prescriber. It’s worth a try.
It worked really well for me for 6 months or so & then I had a virus & it wasn’t as effective maybe because I didn’t take take it then. It’s a bit like that, unpredictable! Suggestion is to stop, have a break & start again, the clinic 158 & Dickson chemist route seems easiest. I needed the sublingual drops as my stomach couldn’t tolerate it. It’s brilliant when it’s working! Hope it works for you, it’s a slow process & there’s a sweet spot to watch out for just like thyroid dosing.
I haven't looked into that, or really know much about it. I'm so pleased there are other avenues to try......I was begining to think I was fully out of option hence the buying of the T2. Many thanks for guidance.
Stamina was noticeably improved walked 15.000 steps many days. fewer aches & pains (I have a Fibro diagnosis), better sleep, lost belly fat 😊. Generally more energetic.
I didn’t drop my T3 dose though some do as I wasn’t on a very high T3 dose for monotherapy, 40mcg. I don’t remember my test results now but the clinic like evidence of blood tests to monitor levels. I had the best summer I’d had for ages. Bloody virus interrupted that. But I still take it. Recently I noticed it has been improving my sleep. Less sleep if I don’t take it in the evening.
When I have a break from it I notice odd symptoms become noticeable. I think it’s generally helpful except to my stomach which is hideously sensitive.
Oh I so feel for you. Do you know what your ft3 levels are? Something is a miss when your on mega doses and your levels are normal. Did they never test ft3 on these doses? It's looks as clear as day you need to be on T3.
No they didn't. That was the only tests they did. They took a test every week for six weeks running. Seven if you count the test before the mega loading started. I am thinking that it may be wise to sack off the T4 if they are clearly doing nothing and just go with the T3? ......
Hi! Lots of replies here, I have only just scanned them.
But my impression is that you have opportunity to optimize your Levo/t3 approach as your basic FT4 and FT3 results have room for improvement.
Thyroid numbers up and down are a sure fire way to prolong feeling not great.
I’ve never heard of mega doses for Levo. This post is getting long and I hope others comment on that. I’ll stand corrected but that doesn’t sound like something that would help.
Ferritin is dire - do you have a full iron panel?
If you can provide a clear list of your most recent:
Tsh
FT4
FT3
B12
Folate
D
Ferritin
I am sure you have opportunity to improve those first.
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