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Found this recent article where it states that new'ish research says taking a probiotic after antibiotics is pretty much pointless but as we all know there is so much conflicting stuff out there.

health.com/should-you-take-...

I have a couple of days left on my antibiotic and as I get most of my supplements from Amrita, had a word with somewhere there who could recommend one to take so I bought this one activatedprobiotics.com.au/... which apparently is especially designed to take whilst you are on the antibiotic but I am holding off until probably tomorrow.

To be honest, after reading that article, I wonder whether it's worth taking at all, especially after reading this bit "Probiotic supplements also typically contain gut microbes that settle in the small intestine, but the vast majority of gut microbiota colonizes in the colon, Alper explained" and that's pretty much what happens with SIBO when I had it, microbes settle in the wrong area and with the continuous anxiety I am sure I still have gut issues.

It's only a 30 day supply so wondering whether I should take it not tbh

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I’ve benefited from probiotics, after a short course of antibiotics messed up my digestive system. I feel so much better having taken probiotic supplements (I used Biokult) and Kefir 2 weeks on from the antibiotics.

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Jefner in reply toBuddy195

just doing a bit of a shopping list on sainsburys and kimchi is supposed to be good and someone recommended YeoValley and they do different flavoured drinks, but need to be wary of the sugar content. I definitely feel my tummy is going through the mill so I think I should maybe start those probiotics I have now and I am pretty sure I have ongoing gut issues anyway cus of the anxiety

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elaar in reply toJefner

Personal preference of course, but I find Kimchi pretty disgusting unfortunately. Tesco now stock a Fresh Beetroot based Kimchi (Vadasz Super Beet Kimchi), and I love Beetroot, but that's still pretty awful.

The Biotiful Gut Kefir Protein is good. Low lactose, hardly any sugar, and a good amount of protein to get your started in the morning.

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Jefner in reply toBuddy195

started that probiotic a few days ago after finishing my antibiotic on Sunday, had 5 so far and Sunday and Monday when I woke up my waking anxiety wasn't as bad and my tummy felt fine but today when I woke up and even now as I write I have had a horrible day with worsened anxiety, fatigue, dizzy etc., and more nausea. I rang and spoke with a nutritionist at Amrita where I bought the probiotic from because I felt a little worried that it might be the wrong one for me and because I feel sensitive to stuff she said probably having a whole tablet every day was a little too much and I should empty some of the contents and take around half the amount for a few days before upping back to a full one. Purchased some YeoValley kefir. Is it ok to have a few sips a day of it along with the probiotic tablet or is that overload. Never had kefir before so no idea how much to have each day

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Buddy195Administrator in reply toJefner

My mantra for any new meds/ foodstuffs is go ‘low and slow’ until well tolerated. I think I’d stick to a small portion of kefir yoghurt and see how you feel.

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Jefner in reply toBuddy195

infection hasn't cleared so have a doc coming out tomorrow to look at it. I suspect I am gonna need another course of antibiotics which I don't because all this has set off an immune response as it is and I feel awful. There is a small head on it looking this morning so I suspect an abscess but wondering if there is a better tolerated antibiotic I could try. One I had was Flucloxacillin. Dreading it if the Doc says I need another course

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Buddy195Administrator in reply toJefner

I also had Flucloxacillin and that really affected my stomach. Hopefully you don’t need another course 🤞

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Jefner in reply toBuddy195

i probably will, wondering what else I could try that isn't so harsh; have you had anything else that better suits you?

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Buddy195Administrator in reply toJefner

Sorry I haven’t tried any others. Maybe start a new post?

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Mostew

It's I'mportant to take the appropriate strains of probiotic.Sounds like you have been advised and have correct one for during antibiotic course.

But may not be the one to take after.

I would ring company again to check.(they sound reputable)

Always conflicting opinions. But all good Functional doctors I have seen recommend.

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Jefner in reply toMostew

i have been using that company for years for their supps as they are good quality. They said it's ok to take during and after, 30 day course. Tummy is feeling so miserable and nauseous right now and my anxiety is so bad again so I have started one already

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Mostew

I find stress is the worst thing for tummy . I'm sure you are doing your best to work on that .

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tattybogle

after antibiotics i always do ..a bit of these everyday : yeo valley natural live yoghurt , it's not sweetened at all , but is very creamy and nice tasting ... buy a big pot it's cheaper ....... sourcraut , also cheap ....i don't like it but hey ho, i just take a spoonful like medicine ....and raw fruit and veg in lots of different colours .

and a bottle of something expensive from out of the fridge in the health food shop ,,,i just look for whatever has the widest variety of beasties in it.

basically i just chuck loads of variety at my gut and hope some of it sticks.

not very scientific ... lol

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Jefner in reply totattybogle

every little helps as Tesco would say lol

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Jefner in reply totattybogle

Purchased some YeoValley kefir. Is it ok to have a few sips a day of it along with the probiotic tablet or is that overload. Bought some Kimchi as well which I have a little of alongside my evening meal. Never had kefir before so no idea how much to have each day

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tattybogle in reply toJefner

personally i wouldn't worry about overload, i'd just chuck a bit of everything in your gob each day... but this opinion is based on 'nothing much' other than the vague knowledge that a people who eat the widest variety of foodstuffs will have a wider variety of beasties in their microbiome .

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Katherine1234

Probiotics are good to take with antibiotics 4 hours apart I believe. Some countries write you a prescription for them if they have given a patient antibiotics. The only time probiotics are not good is when you have SIBO. Best to starve SIBO out by going on a carnivore diet for 2 months.

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Mlinde

Antibiotics kill the good bacteria in your gut and need to be replaced, so kefir, live yoghurt etc, help to replace them, not sure about probiotics tho. Most of your immune system is in your gut.

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RockyPath

Yes, a Functional Medicine doc explained that kefir and all the probiotic foods are good. However the antibiotics are a Nuclear Attack on the gut biome. A probiotic capsule with 50 billion live cultures, taken four hours after each oral antibiotic will keep the gut from becoming a nuclear wasteland during the antibiotics treatment.

Kimchi, yogurt and fermented foods only contain a tiny fraction compared to what can be packed in a capsule.

Antibiotics are powerful. The 50 billion capsule, four hours after, is the only way my gut has made it through ten days and felt comfortable.

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Jefner in reply toRockyPath

Purchased some YeoValley kefir. Is it ok to have a few sips a day of it along with the probiotic tablet or is that overload. Never had kefir before so no idea how much to have each day. Feeling rough on day 5 of the probiotic at the moment so the nutritionist told me a whole tablet might be too much initially so advised to empty half out for around a week then work back up to a whole one

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RockyPath in reply toJefner

A few sips of a liquid won't have any impact. It's far more likely that the antibiotic has savaged your gut biome than the probiotic is bothering anything. The antibiotics will make you feel terribly ill with the disturbance of the gut biome.

The probiotic capsule is designed to carry the gut bugs to your gut. If you open the capsule, the good bugs lose their protection and all die in your stomach. Nothing gets delivered.

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Jefner in reply toRockyPath

not true because the nutritionist suggested I could empty some of the contents with the particular one I have, they don't need to be kept in the fridge, plus they can be opened and sprinkled on food; a lot of people take them that way because they have issues swallowing tablets

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RockyPath in reply toJefner

Your Biome Advanced Probiotic web page linked in your post has a picture that explains the protective micro encapsulation under "Features"

It says "Protective micro encapsulation technology ensures 5x more probiotic bacteria survive and reach the gut alive."

If the seller is telling you to open the micro encapsulation, then likely barely anything is surviving into your gut. It gets destroyed by stomach acid.

I would suggest you use the Contact page on the website for the probiotic supplement and ask them the question directly, "Will this do any good if I open the capsule and sprinkle the contents on my food.?"

activatedprobiotics.com.au/...

I expect they will tell you the adverse effects of the current course of antibiotics, and the expected ill-effects of the next course, can be alleviated by following their instructions.

I'm sorry you're having a rough time of it with the infection.

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Jefner in reply toRockyPath

i don't open it and sprinkle on my food, I just said that because others do. I was told to open it and tip some contents out initially just before I swallow it

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LynneG

Hi Jenner

From what I have learned, like Rocky Path states, antibiotica leave us with a nuclear wasteland and a leaky gut. The strongest organisms which are more likely to survive are the bad guys, the least beneficial. just Typical! These not so great organisms will then colonize the gut wall with having no competition which is a bad scenario

Take a good probiotic as soon as you can, the worse that can happen is that you are wasting your money, the best, some of the good guys will keep being replenished and will also be attaching to your gut wall to compete until good colonies can be established. It is best to take for at least 3-6 months and to change around some of the specific species. So each month buy a different make. Although microbz (British) which are in a liquid form containing also prebiotics in order to feed the good guys in the gut and stay alive in the bottle called Revive this is the initial reseeding and then you use their next stage Sustain, to follow on

Read the valuable information on their website

One major issue whatever you decide is: the BAD guys feed and thrive on an environment in your gut that is conducive to their growth and reproduction - Sugar. Which is not just table sugar or the obvious sweets, biscuits , glucose syrup and cakes but refined grains such as wheat, corn and rice flours so don't eat your cereals, bread and toast, pasta and read food labels. Added wheat, corn and rice flour is added sugar. Starchy veg too like potatoes. So dont eat /drink them at least for now until you have no gut symptoms and those linked with gut symptoms. Hope this helps

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Capan24

I always thought it was beneficial to take a probiotic after a course of antibiotics. I've always taken probiotics for about a month without any ill effects. From what I read, it's an important idea to choose a high-quality probiotic with strains like Lactobacillus and Bifidobacterium . Like anything else, we all are react differently. I know some people when they take probiotics have gas, bloating, upset stomach and diarrhea. I guess since you already have a 30-day supply, you can try it and see how you feel.

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Jefner in reply toCapan24

Purchased some YeoValley kefir. Is it ok to have a few sips a day of it along with the probiotic tablet or is that overload. Never had kefir before so no idea how much to have each day. Feeling rough on day 5 of the probiotic at the moment so the nutritionist told me a whole tablet might be too much initially so advised to empty half out for around a week then work back up to a whole one

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Capan24 in reply toJefner

I wouldn't know about kefir. I don't eat any dairy. I am lactose intolerant. I think it is worth trying half a dose of the probiotic. If you still bad, maybe just try a couple of sips of kefir or try some plain Greek yogurt. Antibiotics can upset the gut microbiome. Fermented foods are good for your gut. Antibiotics work by killing or inhibiting the growth of bacteria, including the beneficial bacteria that live in your gut. So it will probably take awile to get your gut back to normal.

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Heaven20

Since my bronchiectasis diagnosis and use of antibiotics Fage greek yoghurt is now included in my diet, I no longer have stomach problems. If I cant get a Fage, I have Yeo Valley. Both full of live cultures.

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