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I honestly just want to cry.

I've just had an appointment with the GP to talk about my concerns re: thyroid. He could not have been any more useless. He said my thyroid is fine (perfect actually!!!) and that my anxiety is making me worry, that my low iron is making me tired and my hair fall out and just keep taking the mountain of Ferrus Sulphate tablets they sent me. Book an appointment for the heart palpitations I'm having, oh and don't waste my money on private blood tests. He generously offered to do another blood test in 6 months to check my thyroid for my own peace of mind because I'm as healthy as ever he says.

ARGH.

Shall I just give up? Because nobody wants to take me seriously. Shall I just leave my thyroid to shrivel up and die?

I can't afford to go private 😞

Oh, and the best part? "Normal people can have high TPO antibodies and not have an autoimmune condition ".

🤯

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Part of the problem is your TSH isnt high enough, although now your FT4 is very low. Likely you would have to wait for treatment when your FT4 drops below range unless you can work hard on vitamin levels which might help your TSH rise.

You had good recommendations in this recent reply: healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

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Mummybear0213 in reply toJaydee1507

Yes it was brilliant advice. I'm taking my vitamins religiously everyday so I hope it makes a difference soon

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Vitamin results from 13 days ago

Your vitamin levels are terrible

Especially ferritin

Serum ferritin: 14 ug/L (20 to 235)

Are you now on iron supplements for your anaemia

Ferritin below 30 is deficient

Folate : 3.20 ug/L (3.10 to 20.50)

Have you started on dairy vitamin B complex to improve low folate?

Vitamin D 44 nmol/L (≥ 49)

Aiming for ferritin at least over 70 minimum

Vitamin D at least over 80nmol

Folate at top of range

Retest thyroid and vitamin levels in 2-3 months after working HARD on improving low vitamin levels

Look at increasing iron rich foods in your diet too

low vitamin levels, especially low ferritin tend to lower TSH

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Mummybear0213 in reply toSlowDragon

Yep I'm on an iron supplement and Thorne b vit complex, along with Better You Vit D spray (the high dose one with added.... something???)

According to the GP all my vitamins are fine except my iron. Honestly I just cannot 🤦🏻‍♀️

I've been taking the B and D for a while now so those have improved.

I didn't know that ferritin lowered TSH, I'll definitely be working hard to improve that.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toMummybear0213

A GP is only obligated to treat vitamin deficiencies

They are quite likely to stop iron prescription once Ferritin gets over 30

You may need to self supplement and importantly self test iron if they do

retest 3-4 times a year if self supplementing.

It’s possible to have low ferritin but high iron

Test early morning, only water to drink between waking and test. Avoid high iron rich dinner night before test

If taking any iron supplements stop 5-7 days before testing

Medichecks iron panel test

medichecks.com/products/iro...

Vitamin D at 44nmol is classed as insufficient so GP should technically have prescribed 1600iu per day for 6 months

But you are likely to improve faster on 2000iu or 3000iu per day

Yes it’s Vitamin D with Vitamin k2 by Better You

One spray = 1000iu

So take 2-3 sprays per day

Retest in 2-3 months

in reply toSlowDragon

Forgive me SD.

I’m confused by one of your comments and hoping you can clarify:

low vitamin levels, especially low ferritin tend to lower TSH

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Low vitamin levels lead to poor conversion of Ft4 to Ft3

So Ft4 tends to be higher and Ft3 lower

Low Ft3 leads to lower vitamin levels

Vicious circle downwards

High Ft4 tends to lead to lower TSH regardless of how poor Ft3 might be

in reply toSlowDragon

High Ft4 tends to lead to lower TSH regardless of how poor Ft3 might be

Hello SD

I wasn’t aware of this. However, looking back through my records to post TT when a silly young Specialist Registrar in Endocrinology gave me 200 mcg Levo, this is all too apparent. My FT4 was at 42 (12-22) with my FT3 at about 5. My TSH was suppressed. The woman was unaware of poor conversion and kept raising my Levo in an attempt to raise FT3

When I told the doctor how ill I felt, she told me I should go to GP as I probably had a virus!

As always, many thanks for clarifying SD.

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Suppressed TSH also tends to worsen conversion rate

in reply toSlowDragon

So once your TSH has been suppressed by T3, you can’t really go back to Levo only ???

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Why there’s a time lag on TSH changing….and might not ever change if been suppressed long time

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

in reply toSlowDragon

I remember  jimh111 making this point some time ago.

This is why I’m so frustrated in trying to make doctors understand that however much they try to raise TSH by reducing Levo or even stopping T3, nothing’s going to change.

We just end up under medicated and with TSH still suppressed!!

To make matters worse, after TT for cancer, we’re dosed with 60 mcg T3 for about 9 months

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Sparklingsunshine

As someone who struggled with dire iron levels for much of my adult life I would say Iron Sulphate is possibly the most difficult iron supplement to tolerate. It gave me lots of digestive issues.

I found Iron Fumarate ( ferrous) much easier on the stomach and you can buy it otc in many chemists. If you dont get free prescriptions its cheaper to buy it this way. Having very low iron can make you feel dreadful. My ferritin was once 6.

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the mountain of Ferrus Sulphate tablets

You have been prescribed the nastiest and least well tolerated of all the iron tablets that your doctor can prescribe.

A better tolerated (although, admittedly, still not great) alternative is ferrous fumarate (FF). I think a lot more people tolerate FF than the ferrous sulfate (FS).

I found I tolerated FF better with food. Not ideal because it might slow down absorption, but I wanted to improve my iron without destroying my stomach lining.

The difference in price between FF and FS is tiny.

Ask your doctor to prescribe FF rather than FS to see if it makes a difference.

Looking at the BNF to get an idea of the price of each tablet :

bnf.nice.org.uk/drugs/ferro...

The FS mentioned in the BNF by AAH Pharmaceuticals is £5.80 per 100 i.e. 5.8p per tablet.

bnf.nice.org.uk/drugs/ferro...

The FF mentioned in the BNF by AAH Pharmaceuticals is £3.99 per 84 i.e. 4.75 p per tablet.

Note I didn't scour the BNF to check for the cheapest option, I just went for an option from a supplier starting with A. :)

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Note that iron pills of the kind that doctors prescribe (iron salts) can be bought in pharmacies in the UK without a prescription. I used to buy my ferrous fumarate 210mg myself. The last box of 84 tablets I bought (last year) cost between £6 and £7 for the box.

It would save money, of course, if you could persuade your doctor to prescribe FF 210mg rather than FS, just to see if you tolerate them better than FS.

.

There are other possibilities that many people do better with in raising their iron and ferritin but they are more expensive than the iron salts you are being prescribed, and they are heme or haem tablets/capsules. Do a search for posts mentioning "Three Arrows". Here's one :

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

and info on dosages :

threearrowsnutra.com/en-uk/...

Good luck. :)

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Sparklingsunshine in reply tohumanbean

The one I tolerated the best was Ferrous Gluconate, the downside is it contains the least amount of iron, but the upside is you can neck them down so can take more if needed, without the horrible side effects of Sulphate.

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humanbean in reply toSparklingsunshine

Oops! I forgot to mention ferrous gluconate, probably because I've never taken it:

bnf.nice.org.uk/drugs/ferro...

bnf.nice.org.uk/drugs/ferro...

Few people ever mention having taken it, don't know why. Before the doses of all iron salts were dramatically reduced a few years ago people were told they could take up to six ferrous gluconate 300mg a day which would give them the same amount of iron as three tablets of ferrous fumarate 210mg or three tablets of ferrous sulfate 200mg.

For people who struggle with iron salts (which is most people) the lower iron dose of ferrous gluconate might be far better tolerated than ferrous sulfate or ferrous fumarate but whether it will slow down absorption for everyone I couldn't say.

The reduction of dosages for iron tablets was discussed in this thread :

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

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Mummybear0213 in reply tohumanbean

I tried finding Three Arrows (or any heme iron tablets in fact) but I'm struggling to find any in the UK 🤔

Would really prefer to try something more natural because the side effects to the GP stuff are awful.

I'll send a request now for some ff until I can find something better.

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Jaydee1507Administrator in reply toMummybear0213

Three Arrows website which many members use with success: threearrowsnutra.com/en-uk/...

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TiggerMeAmbassador in reply toJaydee1507

FRANKLIN saves you 10% and if you buy 3 bottles it's free shipping

Heme is more natural in the fact it is more bio available and doesn't need any conversion to absorb and it has a decent shelf life

Only available from America or Aus/New Zealand

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Mummybear0213 in reply toJaydee1507

Ooh thank you very much for this. Just ordered 90 days worth!

Never thought I'd be excited about something like iron capsules 😂

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Jaydee1507Administrator in reply toMummybear0213

Ha! Be sure to take it 4hrs away from Levo or anything else that matters. Take it with orange juice or vit C to help it absorb. Good luck!

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