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Blood results - it's been a while since I have posted. I had a follow up blood test (6 months after my last) regarding my thyroid.My latest results are

Serum TSH level - 8.9 mU/L (0.27 - 4.5).

T4 LEVEL 13.3 pmol/L (11.0 - 23.0)

Haven't spoke to the doctor yet but have read my notes and apparently these are satisfactory even after previous results that are out of range and says retest, which will prob be in another 6 months, so another 6 months of feeling rubbish.

I first went to doctors in Jan due to feeling extremely tired, dry skin, weight gain and irregular periods. Still having the same issues, can anyone advise me on what to say/ask doctor when I have my telephone appointment??

Any help will be great!!

Thanks

Ps my first test results are above (January)

Followed by private results (that the NHS don't accept either even tho it is a NHS approved lab)

Results from 6months ago.

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Private blood results

Private blood results (Feb)
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Emt81 in reply toEmt81

My doctors did a blood test a few weeks after these results as they didn't accept these and the results wereAntibodies - 134 (<34)

T4 12.7

Tsh 4.5

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TiggerMeAmbassador in reply toEmt81

I'm guessing the ranges are the same...

TSH 4.5 mIU/L (0.27 - 4.5) 100.0%

Free T4 (fT4) 12.7 pmol/L (11 - 23) 14.2%

So you are horribly under replaced and need an increase, you are aiming to bring your TSH down to around 1 to start with and then se how well you convert.

Sounds like you have a total duffer of a GP so down to you to push for a 25mcg increase and a retest in 8 weeks

Have you been supplementing your vits and mins which were all terrible in your last post?

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Emt81 in reply toTiggerMe

Serum TSH level - 8.9 mU/L (0.27 - 4.5).T4 LEVEL 13.3 pmol/L (11.0 - 23.0) these are my most recent results this week. I have been given no medication yet and this is my 4th blood test where my results have been out of range!

I have been taking supplements but my gp wouldn't retest these as according to him they were fine so not sure if these have improved at all.

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TiggerMeAmbassador in reply toEmt81

Perhaps ask for a second opinion or raise it with the practice manager saying your symptoms are being ignored and you would like a 'trial' on levothyroxine, they like the word trial as it sounds temporary 😉

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toTiggerMe

She’s not currently diagnosed or on any levothyroxine

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toEmt81

With TSH over 5 but JUST below 10 you should have had 2nd blood test 2-3 months after first one as it clearly states on test results

ALWAYS test thyroid levels early morning

Were both tests done in morning?

With 2 tests now with TSH over 5, high thyroid antibodies and symptoms you should be starting on levothyroxine

Starting levothyroxine - flow chart

gps.northcentrallondonccg.n...

Guidelines of dose Levo by weight

approx how much do you weigh in kilo

Even if we usually start on only 50mcg, dose levothyroxine is then slowly upwards in 25mcg steps (retesting 6-8 weeks after each increase) until eventually on, or somewhere near full replacement dose (typically 1.6mcg levothyroxine per kilo of your weight per day)

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bnf.nice.org.uk/drugs/levot...

nhs.uk/medicines/levothyrox...

Adults usually start with a dose between 50 micrograms and 100 micrograms taken once a day. This may be increased gradually over a few weeks to between 100 micrograms and 200 micrograms taken once a day.

Some people need a bit less than guidelines, some a bit more

Bloods should be retested 6-8 weeks after each dose change or brand change in levothyroxine

For full Thyroid evaluation you need TSH, FT4 and FT3 tested

Also both TPO and TG thyroid antibodies tested at least once to see if your hypothyroidism is autoimmune

Very important to test vitamin D, folate, ferritin and B12 at least once year minimum

Low vitamin levels are extremely common when hypothyroid, especially with autoimmune thyroid disease

Your high thyroid antibodies confirms cause is autoimmune thyroid disease

About 90% of primary hypothyroidism is autoimmune thyroid disease, usually diagnosed by high TPO and/or high TG thyroid antibodies

Autoimmune thyroid disease with goitre is Hashimoto’s

Autoimmune thyroid disease without goitre is Ord’s thyroiditis.

Both are autoimmune and generally called Hashimoto’s.

In U.K. medics hardly ever refer to autoimmune thyroid disease as Hashimoto’s (or Ord’s thyroiditis)

when you retest after 6-8 weeks on 50mcg Levothyroxine

Recommended that all thyroid blood tests early morning, ideally just before 9am, only drink water between waking and test and last dose levothyroxine 24 hours before test

This gives highest TSH, lowest FT4 and most consistent results. (Patient to patient tip)

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toEmt81

Having read previous posts

Your private test was Monitor My Health that’s NHS private test service so GP should accept results

was private test early morning

Antibodies - 134 (<34)

T4 12.7

Tsh 4.5

Was NHS test in morning?

They are ignoring obvious symptoms and test results

Low thyroid levels results in low vitamin levels

Low vitamin levels tend to lower TSH

Essential to test and maintain GOOD vitamin levels, especially ferritin

Especially if struggling to get diagnosed

Previous post shows absolutely dire ferritin, low B12 and virtually deficient folate

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Presumably you have been working on improving

They need retesting……including Vitamin D

if GP remains obtuse……see thyroid specialist

But get vitamin levels tested and optimal FIRST

Here’s link for how to request Thyroid U.K.list of private Doctors emailed to you, but within the email a link to download list of recommended thyroid specialist endocrinologists

Ideally choose an endocrinologist to see privately initially and who also does NHS consultations so that might eventually transfer to getting T3 on NHS

thyroiduk.org/contact-us/ge...

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Emt81 in reply toSlowDragon

Hi thanks for your reply, yes it was monitor my health but doctor laughed when I said it was NHS. I have had all the blood tests done it the morning and going off the latest results I have just had a message to return in 3 months time for repeat blood test. I just feel it is so hard to get help!

These are my latest results that I had from my blood test yesterday

Serum TSH level - 8.9 mU/L (0.27 - 4.5).

T4 LEVEL 13.3 pmol/L (11.0 - 23.0)

I am 43 next week so peri menopause may be a possibility, however my sister is currently in exact position as me regarding thyroid testing and getting nowhere her tsh level is high but t4 within range although on low side (is thyroid problem hereditary??)

Private doctors aren't an option at the moment due to cost.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toEmt81

Make a face to face appointment with different GP

With 2 NHS tests with TSH over 5 and high thyroid antibodies and symptoms you should be starting on Levothyroxine at 50mcg

Retest in 2-3 months

Politely insist on vitamin testing NOW

Full iron panel test including ferritin

Vitamin D

B12 and folate

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toEmt81

Is thyroid problem hereditary

Yes autoimmune diseases very often run in families

Any close family have any autoimmune diseases?

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Emt81 in reply toSlowDragon

Not that I'm aware of, but our family is complicated and my "dad's" side didn't want to know his children after a few years.

I will try with a different GP, however they are not very understanding and always tend to get fobbed off. Worst comes to worst it's only another 3 months.

Thanks for all your advice, I really appreciate it.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toEmt81

The longer you are left untreated the lower vitamin levels will drop and then TSH tends to drop

Essential to get vitamin levels tested and maintain at GOOD Levels by supplements if necessary

when you see different GP don’t leave consultation without a blood test form to get vitamin D, folate, B12 and ferritin levels tested

Plus sex hormones

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irregular periods

How old are you?

Peri menopause?

Though irregular periods can be hypo symptom

Request GP test sex hormones

Also coeliac blood test as well

Poor gut function with Hashimoto’s can lead leaky gut (literally holes in gut wall) this can cause food intolerances.

Most common by far is gluten.

Dairy is second most common.

A trial of strictly gluten free diet is always worth doing

Only 5% of Hashimoto’s patients test positive for coeliac but a further 81% of Hashimoto’s patients who try gluten free diet find noticeable or significant improvement or find it’s essential

A strictly gluten free diet helps or is essential due to gluten intolerance (no test available) or due to leaky gut and gluten causing molecular mimicry (see Amy Myers link)

Changing to a strictly gluten free diet may help reduce symptoms, help gut heal and may slowly lower TPO antibodies

While still eating high gluten diet ask GP for coeliac blood test first as per NICE Guidelines

nice.org.uk/guidance/ng20/c...

Or buy a test online, about £20

Assuming test is negative you can immediately go on strictly gluten free diet 

(If test is positive you will need to remain on high gluten diet until endoscopy, maximum 6 weeks wait officially) 

Trying gluten free diet for 3-6 months. If no noticeable improvement then reintroduce gluten and see if symptoms get worse

chriskresser.com/the-gluten...

amymyersmd.com/2018/04/3-re...

thyroidpharmacist.com/artic...

drknews.com/changing-your-d...

Non Coeliac Gluten sensitivity (NCGS) and autoimmune disease

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/296...

The predominance of Hashimoto thyroiditis represents an interesting finding, since it has been indirectly confirmed by an Italian study, showing that autoimmune thyroid disease is a risk factor for the evolution towards NCGS in a group of patients with minimal duodenal inflammation. On these bases, an autoimmune stigma in NCGS is strongly supported

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In summary, whereas it is not yet clear whether a gluten free diet can prevent autoimmune diseases, it is worth mentioning that HT patients with or without CD benefit from a diet low in gluten as far as the progression and the potential disease complications are concerned

restartmed.com/hashimotos-g...

Despite the fact that 5-10% of patients have Celiac disease, in my experience and in the experience of many other physicians, at least 80% + of patients with Hashimoto's who go gluten-free notice a reduction in their symptoms almost immediately.

Similarly few months later consider trying dairy free too. Approx 50-60% find dairy free beneficial

With loads of vegan dairy alternatives these days it’s not as difficult as in the past

Post discussing gluten

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

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Emt81 in reply toSlowDragon

I had a celiac test in February and it came back fine 😊

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toEmt81

so now you can trial strictly gluten free diet

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