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Hi,

I was directed here from the Fertility UK forum. We’ve had 1 round of IVF/ICSI which we were referred for due to my partner’s low sperm count.

Our first embryo transfer was not successful. We have a frozen embryo, but the clinic advised I get my Vit D and thyroid levels tested before transfer by my GP. The fertility clinic advised these show a Vit D deficiency and underactive thyroid. The results were:

Vit D 27nmol/L (clinic advised needs to be above 50)

Serum free T4 level 14.0pmol/L (range 10.0-22.0)

Serum TSH level 5.0mu/L (range 0.3-4.2) The clinic have advised this needs to be below 2.5.

I have started Vit D supplements (75 micrograms) and been prescribed alternating 75mcg and 50mcg levothyroxine.

The GP were very reluctant to give me an appointment to discuss the results let alone prescribe and I had to get a letter from my clinic. I was also advised by the pharmacist I should have been given an exemption certificate from the GP.

This hasn’t instilled confidence, so I am just looking for some advice on how to go about getting an exemption certificate and how often should I be getting tested and should I be asking for anything other than T4 and TSH tested? Also, any advice on diet or anything else I can do to help with TSH levels is much appreciated.

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I'm sure one of the experts on here will be along shortly to advise, but I just wanted to share in your frustration of not being told about the exemption certificate!

I paid for loads of prescriptions for thyroid meds up until I happened to collect from a different pharmacy and they said I shouldn't be paying for it!

If you ask at the GP reception about it they should give you a form to fill in and it should get signed off pretty fast!

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Thanks, I will do!

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Info about Medical Exemption Certificates for anyone in England diagnosed hypothyroid is here thyroiduk.org/get-support/n...

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Your GP should at the very least be following the NICE guidelines: How should I manage a woman who is preconception or pregnant?cks.nice.org.uk/topics/hypo...

'how often should I be getting tested'

Usually, we say wait 6-8 weeks before re-testing. But given your individual situation, you may want to follow the 3-4 weeks suggested in this section of the NICE guideline:

Initiation and titration

The dose of levothyroxine (LT4) should be individualized on the basis of clinical response and thyroid function test (TFT) results. Treatment must be monitored regularly to determine an adequate dose and to avoid both under- and over-treatment.

Consider starting LT4 at a dosage of 1.6 micrograms per kilogram of bodyweight per day (rounded to the nearest 25 micrograms) for adults under 65 years of age with primary hypothyroidism and no history of cardiovascular disease.

Consider starting LT4 at a dosage of 25–50 micrograms per day with titration for adults aged 65 years and over, and adults with a history of cardiovascular disease.

The British National Formulary (BNF) recommends:

For adults aged 18–49 years — initially 50–100 micrograms once daily; adjusted in steps of 25–50 micrograms every 3–4 weeks, adjusted according to response; maintenance 100–200 micrograms once daily.

For adults aged 50 years and over, with cardiovascular disease, or severe hypothyroidism — initially 25 micrograms once daily; adjusted in steps of 25 micrograms every 4 weeks, adjusted according to response; maintenance 50–200 micrograms once daily.

cks.nice.org.uk/topics/hypo...

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'should I be asking for anything other than T4 and TSH tested? '

At this stage in your treatment, TSH and FT4 are sufficient. But if they haven't already been done, you could ask for thyroid antibodies to be tested to determine whether or not your hyothyroidsism is autoimmune.

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Thank you, that’s really helpful.

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Vitamin D is insufficient and virtually deficient

NHS Guidelines on dose vitamin D required

ouh.nhs.uk/osteoporosis/use...

GP will often only prescribe to bring vitamin D levels to 50nmol.

Some areas will prescribe to bring levels to 75nmol or even 80nmol

leedsformulary.nhs.uk/docs/...

GP should advise on self supplementing if over 50nmol, but under 75nmol (but they rarely do)

mm.wirral.nhs.uk/document_u...

But with Hashimoto’s, improving to around 80nmol or 100nmol by self supplementing may be better

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/218...

vitamindsociety.org/pdf/Vit...

Once you Improve level, very likely you will need on going maintenance dose to keep it there.

Test twice yearly when supplementing

Can test via NHS private testing service

vitamindtest.org.uk

Vitamin D mouth spray by Better You is very effective as it avoids poor gut function.

There’s a version made that also contains vitamin K2 Mk7.

One spray = 1000iu

amazon.co.uk/BetterYou-Dlux...

Suggest you consider initially taking 3 spays per day (3000iu)

Retest in 2-3 months

It’s trial and error what dose we need, with thyroid issues we frequently need higher dose than average

Vitamin D and thyroid disease

grassrootshealth.net/blog/t...

Vitamin D may prevent Autoimmune disease

newscientist.com/article/23...

Web links about taking important cofactors - magnesium and Vit K2-MK7

Magnesium best taken in the afternoon or evening, but must be four hours away from levothyroxine

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

medicalnewstoday.com/articl...

livescience.com/61866-magne...

sciencedaily.com/releases/2...

Interesting article by Dr Malcolm Kendrick on magnesium

drmalcolmkendrick.org/categ...

Vitamin K2 mk7

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

healthline.com/nutrition/vi...

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You need to also test B12, folate and ferritin

Plus test BOTH TPO and TG thyroid antibodies

About 90% of primary hypothyroidism is autoimmune thyroid disease, usually diagnosed by high TPO and/or high TG thyroid antibodies

Autoimmune thyroid disease with goitre is Hashimoto’s

Autoimmune thyroid disease without goitre is Ord’s thyroiditis.

Both are autoimmune and generally called Hashimoto’s.

Significant minority of Hashimoto’s patients only have high TG antibodies (thyroglobulin)

20% of autoimmune thyroid patients never have high thyroid antibodies and ultrasound scan of thyroid can get diagnosis

In U.K. medics hardly ever refer to autoimmune thyroid disease as Hashimoto’s (or Ord’s thyroiditis)

Recommended that all thyroid blood tests early morning, ideally just before 9am, only drink water between waking and test

This gives highest TSH, lowest FT4 and most consistent results. (Patient to patient tip)

Private tests are available as NHS currently rarely tests Ft3 or all relevant vitamins

Testing options and includes money off codes for private testing

thyroiduk.org/testing/

Medichecks Thyroid plus BOTH TPO and TG antibodies and vitamins

medichecks.com/products/adv...

Blue Horizon Thyroid Premium Gold includes BOTH TPO and TG antibodies, cortisol and vitamins

bluehorizonbloodtests.co.uk...

Only do private testing early Monday or Tuesday morning.

Link about thyroid blood tests

thyroiduk.org/testing/thyro...

Link about Hashimoto’s

thyroiduk.org/hypothyroid-b...

Symptoms of hypothyroidism

thyroiduk.org/signs-and-sym...

Tips on how to do DIY finger prick test

support.medichecks.com/hc/e...

Medichecks and BH also offer private blood draw at clinic near you, or private nurse to your own home…..for an extra fee

Low vitamin levels are extremely common when hypothyroid, especially with autoimmune thyroid disease

Pregnancy guidelines

thyroiduk.org/having-a-baby/

NICE guidelines that if hypothyroid or subclinical you should see endocrinologist BEFORE TTC

cks.nice.org.uk/topics/hypo...

IMPORTANT See pages 7&8

btf-thyroid.org/Handlers/Do...

Also here - dose increase in levothyroxine as soon as pregnancy test confirms conception

cuh.nhs.uk/patient-informat...

thyroidpharmacist.com/artic...

Low ferritin, low thyroid levels and miscarriage

preventmiscarriage.com/iron...

Low iron and hypothyroid

endocrineweb.com/news/thyro...

Folate and B12 and Neural tube defects and autism

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

ec.bioscientifica.com/view/...

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Also, any advice on diet or anything else I can do to help with TSH levels is much appreciated.

There's nothing you can do diet-wise to help with thyroid things - apart from avoiding soy. But, it's not about the TSH, anyway.

TSH - Thyroid Stimulating Hormone. It's a message from the pituitary to the thyroid to tell it to make more thyroid hormone. So, when thyroid hormones are low, the TSH is high, and vice versa. And that's about all the TSH does. It doesn't cause symptoms and doesn't have any effect on fertility or anything else.

However, since the TSH test was invented, the medical community decided that that was all they need to test because it told them 'all they needed to know'! How very wrong they were! It's not always a reliable indicator of thyroid status and, in any case, does not differentiate between the T4 and the T3. So, you could be a very poor converter but the TSH won't tell you that.

So, what you need to conceive and carry a pregnancy to term is good levels of FT4 and FT3. And they are assuming that if your TSH goes below 2.5, your FT4/3 will be good. But, as I said, that's not necessarily so.

At the moment, your FT4 is only 33.33% through the range. It needs to come up to about 75%. So, that's what you need to be looking at, not the TSH. And, as your pituitary looks like it might be a bit sluggish, your TSH will probably be below range by the time your FT4 gets up there. But that's OK, because the TSH isn't doing anything much. And don't let anyone tell you otherwise! :)

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