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November 2023 - Current NHS Drug Tariff Liothyronine Prices

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The November 2023 NHS Drug Tariff has been published and my blog has been updated. The tariff price for Liothyronine 5microgram tablets has risen to 12350 (from 12300).

Link to a blog post of Monthly NHS Drug Tariff prices for Liothyronine products from January 2023 onwards.

Current NHS Drug Tariff Liothyronine Prices

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sorry to be dim but is this £123.50 for 100 tablets? I’m not great with written explanation or numbers! Thank you

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TiggerMeAmbassador in reply tolondon81

Per box of 28 tablets

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helvellaAdministrator in reply tolondon81

The attached screenshot shows the introduction and first line of the table.

Number of doses (number of tablets) will be 28 for most tablets and is always 28 for thyroid hormone tablets.

(I've updated the blog to try to clarify further. So the screenshot does not match the current blog page.)

Screenshot of blog entry
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1tuppence in reply tohelvella

Why, do you think, pharmaceuticals believe every month has 28 days?

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RedAppleAdministrator in reply to1tuppence

I think this is a UK thing. It’s actually four weeks rather than a month. Other countries often have 30 days, which still doesn’t help with months that have 31 days!

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helvellaAdministrator in reply to1tuppence

They don't.

The health systems they supply largely determine the numbers in packages.

For example, in Germany, levothyroxine is typically in boxes of 50, 98 or 100!

98 being a Kalenderpackung (calendar pack).

Euthyrox in South Africa is in 28, 30 and 100 packs.

Oroxine in Ireland is in 28, 50, 60, 84, 90, 100, 112 tablets. (Possibly not all are available.)

But in the UK, the NHS positively wants all packs to be the same number. This helps with generic prescribing. And anything that isn't a multiple of 7 can be a problem in terms of precise timing of repeats. It can make things awkward if you allow, say, three days - which is fine when you re-request on a Monday - but not when it creeps round to a Friday, Saturday or Sunday.

There is even an industry involved in repackaging from 30 to 28 and vice versa to allow parallel imports.

It all falls down in so many ways such as that we are simply not allowed to lose a single tablet!

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1tuppence in reply tohelvella

Thank you. It makes sense in terms of what you say...but in practice, remembering when to re-order is a nuisance....especially when brain fog is thick :-)

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helvellaAdministrator in reply to1tuppence

Definitely seems worth adding re-order date(s) to phones or other computery devices. (In addition to writing on boards, pinning notes, and everything else like that!)

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waveylines in reply to1tuppence

I alarm my phone. Also if you go by the NHS app prescribing date which says not before.... (Date) usually allows a week for GP and pharmacy to process your request....so gives u a bit of time to order. 😊

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1tuppence in reply towaveylines

Thank you. I admire your fluency with technology. I feel I do quite well.....but much of it is beyond me, brain fog or not :-) I'm a "pen and paper person" and although I write it down in my diary, and can manage to access the on-line prescription request, I still need to remember to do both things :-).

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sparkly

I'm still likely not going to be able to understand but what does nhs indicative price vs drug tariff price mean? Does this have anything to do with not being able to have supplied the brand you need because of costs?

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helvellaAdministrator in reply tosparkly

The only answer I have is: "I don't know!"

You can find partial explanations but none that properly make sense.

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Hashiboy in reply tohelvella

Thanks helvella good to know, it probably means a call asking if I can start cutting up 20mcg 🤫

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waveylines

£123.50 seems a lot for 28tablets. Thoight there was a crackdown on the price?

They must find Armour confusing then as that comes in bottles of 100. Does it mean Armour works out cheaper too? Think it's around £160 per 100. Don't know about the NHS price.

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BeachHut in reply towaveylines

Even worse pricing when you look up Levothyroxine on the Drug Tariff site, 50 and 100mcg = 69 pence for 28 tablets, 25mcg = 78 pence for 28, if I am reading the table correctly.

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helvellaAdministrator in reply towaveylines

£123.50 is a lot. Morningside only got into liothyronine when they saw the prices Advanz/Mercury were charging (and getting away with). But that price would appear to be based on both Viatris (Sigmapharm) and Morningside. Maybe they want a CMA investigation?

And they might be unhappy that the prices for 20 microgram tablets have fallen so far.

I really don't think there is much mileage in comparing the costs of 5 microgram liothyronine and (I assume) one grain/60 milligram Armour. No-one could swap those doses.

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waveylines in reply tohelvella

No not suggesting anyone compares to swop Helvella.... Defo not. I'm interested because of the argument of price sometimes comes my way from doctors to move to lio/, levo. Currently more expensive for me.... good to be prepared. 🤣😂

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tcpace

How come T3 costs way less in Europe? NHS procurement needs to get its act together. You have to wonder whether some "backhander" activity is involved.

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helvellaAdministrator in reply totcpace

It is very odd. I do not understand nd would very much appreciate someone explaining to me why it is as it is.

Yet, for levothyroxine, our prices are very good!

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