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Could you please advise if a Ferritin Level of 130ug/L -Range (30- 470) requires B12 supplementation.

My Haemoglobin Estimation is stating Abnormal at 152g/l Range (120-150)

Total White Cell Count 6.44 10*9L Range (4-11)

Red Cell Count 4.93 10*12L Range (3.8 -5.30)

No recommendations made by GP on this ? Any thoughts on this.

Except Vitamin loading dose prescribed for 10 week and advised to take 800iu as maintenance dose.

Many Thanks

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SeasideSusieRemembering

No. You would supplement B12 if your B12 level was low. Ferritin is your iron store, not a B vitamin.

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Fortie in reply to SeasideSusie

Thank you - so I have a average Iron store - (folate was not shown on GP Blood test)

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SlowDragonAdministrator

Except Vitamin loading dose prescribed for 10 week and advised to take 800iu as maintenance dose

This is for low vitamin D

What was actual vitamin D result ?

Retest vitamin D at end of loading dose prescription for vitamin D to see how much it has improved

Test twice yearly via NHS private testing service when supplementing 

vitamindtest.org.uk

Aiming to maintain vitamin D at least over 80nmol

Likely to need higher dose than 800iu as maintenance dose

Vitamin D mouth spray by Better You is very effective as it avoids poor gut function.

There’s a version made that also contains vitamin K2 Mk7. 

One spray = 1000iu

amazon.co.uk/BetterYou-Dlux...

Another member recommended this one recently

Vitamin D with k2

amazon.co.uk/Strength-Subli...

It’s trial and error what maintenance dose vitamin D we need, with thyroid issues we frequently need higher dose than average

GP will often only prescribe to bring vitamin D levels to 50nmol.

Some areas will prescribe to bring levels to 75nmol or even 80nmol

leedsformulary.nhs.uk/docs/...

GP should advise on self supplementing if over 50nmol, but under 75nmol (but they rarely do)

mm.wirral.nhs.uk/document_u...

But improving to around 80nmol or 100nmol by self supplementing may be better

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/218...

vitamindsociety.org/pdf/Vit...

Vitamin D and thyroid disease 

grassrootshealth.net/blog/t...

Vitamin D may prevent Autoimmune disease 

newscientist.com/article/23...

Web links about taking important cofactors - magnesium and Vit K2-MK7

Magnesium best taken in the afternoon or evening, but must be four hours away from levothyroxine

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

medicalnewstoday.com/articl...

livescience.com/61866-magne...

sciencedaily.com/releases/2...

Vitamin K2 mk7

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

healthline.com/nutrition/vi...

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Fortie in reply to SlowDragon

Many Thanks - my Vitamin D level was 21 nmol/l Test date 03.02.23

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Fortie

So GP has prescribed a total of 300,000iu vitamin D over 6-8 weeks?

mm.wirral.nhs.uk/document_u...

See box <30nmol

Notes to GP

Check calcium 1 month after completing loading regimen

Maintenance vitamin D supplements if calcium normal

(800 to 2,000 International Units/day )

800iu may not be high enough maintenance dose

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Fortie in reply to SlowDragon

prescribed Strivit-D3 20.000 units 1 x weekly for 10 wks

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Fortie

Retest vitamin D at end of prescription

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userotc

My understanding is that ferritin should be a minimum of 70 for thyroid hormone to work properly.

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thyr01d in reply to userotc

Just for clarity and not to argue, I think it needs to be mid-range or above and that the actual figure depends on the range used by the lab.

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humanbean in reply to userotc

There is a problem with mentioning 70 as the desired minimum. This number seems to have come from some research papers or articles that didn't supply a reference range. And I think the STTM owner and author mentioned 70 as the target as well for a while - and she often skips the range, which is really annoying!

Someone having a level of 70 for ferritin with a range of 13 - 150 might be fine because it is nearly mid-range. But with the change in the range to 30 to 200, 70 ends up being lower in range as a percentage.

One of my past ferritin results had a range of 13 - 400. And now, older women are being told that 30 - 650 is fine, while for younger women it is lower but I can't remember what.

These days I always suggest 50% - 70% of the way through the range for ferritin.

I'm still dubious about specifying an actual number given the huge variation in ranges because I really don't believe that 70 means the same with a range of 13 - 150 as it does with a range of 30 - 650. And 650 as top of range for ferritin for anyone, whatever their gender and whatever their age, is absolutely bonkers (in my opinion).

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userotc in reply to humanbean

Understood and agreed that % through range is better than absolute. I'd saved a comment from S/Susie way back in 2016 with full comment "Ferritin should be half way through it's range, with a minimum of 70 for thyroid hormone to work properly" but I didnt save the relevant range quoted.

My serum ferritin values have fluctuated between 13 and 26% of range (30-400) in the past couple of years with Medichecks doctor stating "Your ferritin and iron levels are normal indicating healthy iron stores" when 26%. Im guessing you'd disagree? I'm male.

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humanbean in reply to userotc

When I look at iron results I base what I think is optimal on this link :

rt3-adrenals.org/Iron_test_...

Some of the suggestions are a bit "woolly".

For TIBC/Transferrin it says

• Low in range indicates lack of capacity for additional iron

• High in range indicates body's need for supplemental iron

Rightly or wrongly, I always treat that as a woolly way of saying that optimal is roughly mid-range.

For ferritin :

• Low level virtually always indicates need for iron supplementation

• High level with low serum iron/low saturation indicates inflammation

or infection

• High level with high serum iron and low TIBC indicates excess iron

• Over range with saturation above 45% suggests hemochromatosis

Depending on the serum iron/saturation/TIBC I would interpret that as approx mid-range being a "safe" level for ferritin, although other sources say it can go a bit higher, so I suggest a level of 50% - 70% of the way through the range.

But I am really nervous of that range with 650 at the top. It seems much too high to me, and in previous years it might have prompted some cautious doctors to investigate a patient for possible haemochromatosis if their ferritin results were persistently near 650. (It wouldn't happen now, I don't think.)

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Regarding TIBC and transferrin, I don't trust these very much for deciding whether or not someone needs iron. I prefer to look at ferritin, iron, and saturation, probably because I don't know enough about how TIBC and transferrin work in terms of levels. I have seen quite a lot of people with low levels of one or both of those while ferritin and serum iron were quite low. And yet low iron and ferritin are supposed to show up with high levels of TIBC.

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userotc in reply to humanbean

If I recall correctly, a while ago I also found the suggestions in the link you supplied "woolly" so I researched further and decided my serum ferritin levels of 78-130 are likely healthy. However, there is wide variation reported including:

1. Dr Hedberg reports "I prefer a ferritin of about 70-150 for optimal health. Some women need to have a ferritin at 100 or above just to start seeing hair regrowth, to normalize thyroid function, and to really feel better"

drhedberg.com/the-ferritin-...

2. Dr Mercola reports "An ideal level for adult men and non-menstruating women is somewhere between 30 and 60 ng/mL" and "You do not want to be below 20 ng/mL or above 80 ng/mL". But he generally is rather extreme in my experience!

functionalmedicineuniversit...

3. I Wentz suggests 90-110, at least for women/thyroid thyroidpharmacist.com/artic...

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