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Hi

I’m new to the forum and need help analysing my results. First of all I’m so glad I found you as all the information has been invaluable and I’m so much more knowledgeable about my condition so thank you.

My history - I was diagnosed at 26 with Hypothyroidism after the birth of my first child but never told whether it was Ords or Hashimotos. Fast forward 27 years I’m still suffering and never been referred to an Endocrinologist even though I’ve begged. Two years ago I had interval bleeding & was told it was because I was over medicated so GP reduced my dose even though I protested & it turned out it was an ovarian cyst. Since January the GP has been reducing my dose and I feel awful. She says my symptoms are due to the Perimenopause and wants to prescribe HRT but I’m sure they’re thyroid related. The results below were done by NHS so I don’t have a full blood panel. I weigh 58kg and since September I’ve been taking 125mcg 3 days a week & 100mcg 4 days a week.

January 2022

TSH - 0.16 mU/L 0.4-4.0

April 2022

TSH 0.05 mU/L 0.4-4.0

Free Thyroxine 22.1 pmoI/L 11.5-22.7

June 2022

TSH 0.09 mU/L 0.4-4.0

Free Thyroxine 20.5 pmoI/L 11.5-22.7

August 2022

TSH 3.9 was only told this verbally and that was when the GP reluctantly increased my dose as she said I was in range to the dose above.

I’m still suffering with weight gain, cognitive problems, insomnia and weak muscles and have a blood test booked for tomorrow at 08.40 and want advise on these results and how to tackle my Doctor as I’m sure I need my dose increased.

Sorry for the long email and I appreciate any help you can give me.

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Welcome to the forum

since September I’ve been taking 125mcg 3 days a week & 100mcg 4 days a week.

Request FULL thyroid including Ft4 and Ft3 and vitamin D, folate, ferritin and B12 testing tomorrow

Is this approx 6-8 weeks after increasing levothyroxine dose

Do you normally take your levothyroxine waking?

Last dose levothyroxine should be 24 hours before test

So don’t take levothyroxine until AFTER blood test

Do you always get same brand levothyroxine at each prescription?

What vitamin supplements are you currently taking

When were vitamin levels last tested

Have you had coeliac blood test done ever?

If not, assuming you are not already on strictly gluten free diet…..request GP test for coeliac BEFORE considering trial on strictly gluten free diet

Ask if this can be included tomorrow

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Redhead16 in reply to SlowDragon

It’s been 9 weeks since my last blood test and that was when my medication was increased from 100mcg a day. The brand I’m on and have always been on is Tevo and I started taking multi vitamins after my last blood test however I’ve stopped taking them a week ago in preparation for my blood test tomorrow. I take my meds when I wake up and have been mindful to wait an hour before I eat. I’ve never had my vitamin levels tested or been tested for coeliac. My GP says NHS will only test TSH so I might have to get tests done privately to get a full picture. I’m also thinking about purchasing Levothyroxine online so maybe someone can private message me with a reliable UK online company. I can’t go on feeling like this and need to get well. Thanks for your advise it’s been very helpful.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Redhead16

Multivitamins are never recommended on here …..so don’t restart them ….get levels tested

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

GP absolutely should test vitamin D, folate, ferritin and B12 of anyone who has autoimmune thyroid disease

Vitamin deficiencies are extremely common

But if you can’t face the battle and need to test TSH, Ft4 and Ft3 together anyway, include vitamin testing

List of private testing options and money off codes

thyroiduk.org/getting-a-dia...

Medichecks Thyroid plus antibodies and vitamins

medichecks.com/products/adv...

Blue Horizon Thyroid Premium Gold includes antibodies, cortisol and vitamins

bluehorizonbloodtests.co.uk...

cheapest option for just TSH, FT4 and FT3

£29 (via NHS private service ) and 10% off down to £26.10 if go on thyroid uk for code

thyroiduk.org/getting-a-dia...

monitormyhealth.org.uk/

NHS easy postal kit vitamin D test £29 via

vitamindtest.org.uk

Only do private testing early Monday or Tuesday morning. 

Watch out for postal strikes, probably want to pay for guaranteed 24 hours delivery 

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Redhead16 in reply to SlowDragon

Hi SlowDragon, in answer to your question I’m not lactose intolerant and my levels were stable until recently and only changed when the Doctor started reducing my medication. I don’t think I’ll win the battle with my GP but I’m going to send her Dr Toft’s Pulse Article & The NICE guidelines to fight my cause. If she won’t increase my dose I’ll get tested privately by the companies you recommend and then will get a full picture of where I’m at and what is wrong. Thanks for drawing my attention to the multivitamins as I would’ve blindly continued taking them. Your advise has been so helpful and this site really is a godsend.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Redhead16

Teva upsets many people

Have you only ever had Teva?

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Redhead16

Teva brand levothyroxine upsets many, many people . But for some people (usually if lactose intolerant, Teva is by far the best option)

Are you lactose intolerant?

Teva contains mannitol as a filler, which seems to be possible cause of problems.

Teva is the only brand that makes 75mcg tablet

Glenmark or Aristo (100mcg only) are lactose free and mannitol free.

May be difficult to track down Glenmark, not been available very long 

Most easily available (and often most easily tolerated) are Mercury Pharma or Accord

Mercury Pharma make 25mcg, 50mcg and 100mcg tablets 

Accord only make 50mcg and 100mcg tablets 

Accord is also boxed as Almus via Boots, and Northstar 50mcg and 100mcg via Lloyds ....but Accord  doesn’t make 25mcg tablets

beware 25mcg Northstar is Teva

List of different brands available in U.K.

thyroiduk.org/if-you-are-hy...

Posts that mention Teva

healthunlocked.com/search/p...

Teva poll

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Once you find a brand that suits you, best to make sure to only get that one at each prescription.

Watch out for brand change when dose is increased or at repeat prescription.

Government guidelines for GP if you find it difficult/impossible to change brands 

gov.uk/drug-safety-update/l...

If a patient reports persistent symptoms when switching between different levothyroxine tablet formulations, consider consistently prescribing a specific product known to be well tolerated by the patient. 

academic.oup.com/jcem/artic...

Physicians should: 1) alert patients that preparations may be switched at the pharmacy; 2) encourage patients to ask to remain on the same preparation at every pharmacy refill; and 3) make sure patients understand the need to have their TSH retested and the potential for dosing readjusted every time their LT4 preparation is switched (18).

Levothyroxine is an extremely fussy hormone and should always be taken on an empty stomach and then nothing apart from water for at least an hour after

Many people take Levothyroxine soon after waking, but it may be more convenient and perhaps more effective taken at bedtime

verywellhealth.com/best-tim...

markvanderpump.co.uk/blog/p...

No other medication or supplements at same as Levothyroxine, leave at least 2 hour gap.

Some like iron, calcium, magnesium, HRT, omeprazole or vitamin D should be four hours away

(Time gap doesn't apply to Vitamin D mouth spray)

If you normally take levothyroxine at bedtime/in night ...adjust timings as follows prior to blood test

Similarly if normally splitting your levothyroxine, take whole daily dose 24 hours before test 

If testing Monday morning, delay Saturday evening dose levothyroxine until Sunday morning. Delay Sunday evening dose levothyroxine until after blood test on Monday morning. Take Monday evening dose levothyroxine as per normal

REMEMBER.....very important....stop taking any supplements that contain biotin a week before ALL BLOOD TESTS as biotin can falsely affect test results - eg vitamin B complex

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pennyannie

Hello Redhead and welcome to the forum :

You are describing symptoms of hypothyroidism so presume your T3 is too low for you :

Unfortunately your results do not include a T3 reading so I'm just guessing !!

I totally understand that in primary care many people are monitored and dosed adjusted on just TSH readings, and sometimes a T4 reading neither which tell the whole story and leaves many people very unwell.

The TSH was originally introduced as a diagnostic tool to help identify a person suffering with hypothyroidism and was never intended to be used once the patient was taking any form of thyroid hormone replacement, as then you must test T3 and T4 levels and dose adjust these two vital hormones to be balanced, in range, at around a 1/4 ratio T3/T4.

We generally feel best when our TSH is down towards the bottom of the range, definitely under 2 and more likely under 1 :

T4 - Levothyroxine is a storage hormone and needs to be converted by your body into T3 the active hormone that runs your body, and your physical, mental, emotional, psychological and spiritual well being, your inner central heating system and your metabolism.

Your own ability to convert the T4 into T3 can be compromised by non optimal levels of ferritin, folate, B12 and vitamin D and inflammation, antibodies, any physiological stress ( emotional or physical ) depression, dieting and ageing though more challenge to manage can also down regulate T4 to T3 conversion.

So, hopefully tomorrow morning you find your doctor receptive and able to run a full thyroid panel to include a TSH, T3, T4 antibodies, inflammation and the vitamins and minerals as detailed.

I failed to get any help and so resorted to getting everything actioned by one of the private companies as listed on the Thyroid UK website - who is the charity who support this amazing forum. thyroiduk.org

When with the results you simply start a new post with the results and ranges and you will be given considered opinion as to how you too can get back on track and restore your own health and well being.

It's a bit like doing a jigsaw puzzle - but once you get a few key pieces out, everything starts to make sense, fall into place and picture emerges of your thyroid journey back to better health.

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Redhead16 in reply to pennyannie

Thank you for all the information pennyannie which will help when I speak to the GP. I’m pretty sure that my levels have remained the same or dropped further and if that’s the case I’d like an increase in dose and would like to get to 1 on the TSH scale & see how I feel then. Over 27 years I’ve only ever been told I’m in range & that’s it but thanks to this forum I asked for a print out of my results & can see exactly where I am on the range.

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pennyannie in reply to Redhead16

The TSH doesn't give you symptoms and is the least reliable of all the measures once on any form of thyroid hormone replacement.

In theory the TSH drops as you increase T4 and the issue is some doctors see a high T4 and or a lowish TSH as verging on being ' over medicated ' and dose reduce which is not the answer - as the answer is to test where T3 sits - as you are only over medicated if T3 is over range.

It's a total waste of everybody's time just running a TSH reading and if you scroll up to the very top of the screen you will see we now have almost 128 thousand patients registered on the Thyroid UK website.

Just seen all your readings are likely false high as you take your T4 prior to the blood test - so tomorrow have the blood draw first and then take the Levothyroxine.

If you have a conversion problem there is no point taking more T4 as you aren't even utilising well the T4 dose you are taking - maybe you just need to supplement some core strength vitamins and minerals - everywhere I researched suggested that ferritin needs to be over 70 for T4 to work well - maybe you need to add a little T3 - Liothyronine - alongside your T4 to rebalance these 2 vital hormones - we don't know anything until we see a full thyroid blood panel

Irrespective of how well and clean you eat when hypothyroid and having a slower than normal metabolism the body struggles to extract essential core strength vitamins and minerals from your food and we also tend to have low stomach acid which also hinders the process of digestion and absorption of key nutrients.

For people to send you recommendations of a trusted seller you need to start a new post asking just that and as we are not allowed to openly discuss suppliers you need to ask for replies by Private Message - and your ' chat ' button above should light up with any messages.

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Redhead16

That’s good to know pennyannie and I’m becoming more educated on my condition every day thanks to people like you. I’ve had my blood test done this morning and will take stock once I get the results and speak to my GP.

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