Oh sorry! A hashis flare. Ya know where all your symptoms come rushing back? Or more actually just like in the background do you think it is silently exaserpating it?
I've realised I've got 5 autoimmune diseases:
- Hashis
- Alopecia
- Asthma
- Psoriasis
- Celiac
Like...that's too many 😂 and I don't want to end up with more.
Do we think eating organic is the way to avoid a root cause of toxicity?
Ah ok, I understand. Sorry you have so many autimuunes I wish it was as simple as eating purely organic, but I'm a bit of a sceptic on that issue. Yes, eat good fresh food, not junk, processed rubbish. But not convinced organic everything is as magical as it's cracked up to be.
I do agree with you that the food is key. The current thinking on autoimmunity is that it originates from leaky gut/ gut permeability and it is chemicals in some foods and toxins, which cause the gut lining to open. I’m kind of fortunate I get bowel symptoms from foods as it’s like a radar for things that are causing damage. Very occasionally I’ll have a few bad days and they tend to correlate with some kind of digestive upset. I have eliminated a lot of problematic foods over time and I eat organic when I can although it’s impossible to be fully organic at present unless being on a very restrictive diet. There just simply isn’t enough variety of organic food, which is accessible. I find that Sainsbury’s fruit & veg and dairy sections are pretty well stocked but beyond that you find the odd product here and there. So I think you’ll find that your question will be difficult to get an answer to but personally I think organic is definitely the way to go🙂
Yeah I have to go to three different shops cuz one just doesn't stock everything and it's just such effort and money. And tbf even then there are are certain veggies and fruits I can get organic...and it's good to eat a range...
I followed the Dr. Wentz diets and then reintroduced items and I now know what triggers specific symptoms. So this is more like do we think there is something kind of invisibly happening in the background that is made worse by the toxins in food that eating organic would save?
I guess it's like maybe but organic where you can but if you can't find an organic version of an item eat the non- organic one to ensure a wide variety of foods are eaten.
That’s what I do, I always get organic if it’s available and the rest is ‘normal’. I have noticed a couple of things for sure - apples and carrots - I can only eat organic as otherwise I would get bowel issues, I do not eat these ‘normal’ ever.
It really is hard to know what’s actually in the fresh produce but opting for organic minimises the risk or load of the bad stuff. Some fertilisers have been proven to be carcinogenic for example, the autoimmune connection to toxins isn’t generally studied so it is difficult to know. However, I have a family history of autoimmunity (on both sides), at least 2-3 generations back when the world was not anywhere near as toxic it is now, which makes me suspect food as the highly likely culprit for me.
I think the theory is that it’s the toxic load in the body, with toxins of various types and sources accumulating to a point where the body can no longer handle it and toxins in commercially produced food will contribute to that a great deal.
A hashis flare. Ya know where all your symptoms come rushing back?
That's not what a Hashi's flare is. A Hashi's flare - aka Hashi's 'hyper' swing - is when your thyroid is under attack from the lymphocytes, released by the immune system, and the dying cells dump their stock of hormone into the blood. You go temporarily hyper - high FT4/3 and suppressed TSH - so symptoms would be more likely to be hyper than hypo.
No-one knows what triggers them. Plenty of suppositions, but no actual proof. Could also be that they are just random, with no need of a trigger. They just happen. The toxicity of certain cleaning products, make-up, etc. may have been the initial trigger, but thereafter, it's unknown what causes the attacks.
Ohhhhh. Oh wow well I've never had that. So should I call it a hypo swing or something?
I mean I know there are clear triggers for me of certain foods. So I stay away from those.
Ok so we know that toxicity in products we consume or put on our skin or use for cleaning are being absorbed and could be a root cause of the genes switching on and the condition presenting in the first instance.
So then we don't know if once this happens if continuing to consume say non-organic vegetables is going to exacerbate this.
If one auto immune disease can lead to another as it appears it has with me, do we think therefore that consuming non organic foods could cause a new autoimmune disease? Or don't we think there a likelihood of that.
I mean the ones I have it's quite common people have those and they linking think.
I would love to eat organic for reasons other than this condition but up till now it really has been more important to me to save for my future, and I would prefer to continue making that choice as long as it's not going to harm me further.
We usually call it a 'hyper' swing. 'Hyper' in inverted commas because it's not true hyperthyroidism, it's just temporary.
There aren't any hypo swings, because that is your basic status. But, it is possible for symptoms to get worse at certain times - could be something you ate, could be the weather or your level of activity...
If one auto immune disease can lead to another as it appears it has with me, do we think therefore that consuming non organic foods could cause a new autoimmune disease? Or don't we think there a likelihood of that.
It's not really that one AI disease leads to another. It's just that you're especially susceptible to AI diseases. I have Hashi's, but I don't have any other AI disease. I should think the majority of the population consumes non-organic foods - they're so expensive - but not all of them have AI diseases. Probably because they don't have that suscetibility.
Who can say if it's going to harm you further - or anyone else, come to that. I don't think anyone can definitively answer your questions, I'm afraid.
Anything that causes dis-ease in the body causes inflammation. Your body is continually having to fight (chronically) "whatever" your put on/in your body that's causing this dis-ease. Your particular body and its deficits I.E. deficiencies caused by what you put on/in it can be a trigger. You and whatever deficiencies you have can not necessarily be compared to anyone else. You just have to understand this and proceed to "clean" up any/all problems in order to get your body back to a state of "ease" VS "dis-ease".
It appears that you are doing a good job but food is a big trigger because of the GMO's and toxins today in just about everything. Speaking from personal experience, I have noticed a big difference when I eat organic or as "clean" as I can. It relieves my body from just one of many triggers that it has fight is order to keep my body at ease.
Do you get your organic food from supermarkets? If so, how can you be sure the food is not contaminated? The only way to eat really 'cleanly' is to grow everything yourself, which isn't an option for many people for all sorts of reasons.
Yeah true. I try and eat clean as in I don't eat junk cuz legit it's so weird I kind of feel hungover when I eat junk? Like so sluggish and gross, and I really never noticed that before I followed the Dr. Wentz diet. But yeah eating organic is just so expensive. But the fact that you have noticed a difference is interesting.. I guess I'll have to try it and see, but it does mean I've got less to save for a house. It's like...do I treat present me better at the expense of future me, or do I save for a house for future me at the expense of present me? 😅
Ha ha, good question - I live questions like these! A bit of both on the basis that we might get hit by a bus tomorrow, maybe? Or if you fix yourself first, maybe you have the energy to earn more, make better decisions, move up the career ladder, invest better... I don’t know
Yes, I do get most from super market. I try to read all of the labels. Even though some is still (cross) contaminated, as stated I try to eliminate as many triggers as I can. I think people are waking up to all of the GMO's and organics are starting to make a come back. Monsanto among many pesticide producers are starting to be sued by many which is helping. Also, websites such as this are bringing awareness to the masses.
We should all eat the best we can (afford) and reduce chemicals in our lives where possible but I personally have not noticed flare ups when using/eating non organics.
I do not have hashi’s but, since 2010, i have adhered to eating organic, non GMO, limited processed groceries. This includes eggs that are pasture-raised, chicken that is air-chilled/organic, beef (occassional) that is non-antibiotic/growth hormone. I never eat from non-chain/fast-food restaurants. Drink water and organic almond milk and organic red wine. If i buy flour (that i rarely use) it is the Jovial Einkorn brand. I rarely eat breads and only buy Ezekiel brand. When i eat food made by others that is not as i mentioned above, i feel it.
Obviously organic is good however it is not the be all and end all food wise. For instance if you pay more for organic food that you prepare and cook in tap water you are cooking stuff back in that you brought without, water has a lot of nitrates and metals. Good pure water is the steam as you boil your rice, spuds etc which leaves the total dissolved solids at the bottom where the food is absorbing. Steaming prevents that, another thing with water is only fill what you need in the kettle, re boiling the same water concentrates the ick and makes it heavy water.Personally I am more concerned with the decreasing mineral content of food from poor soil. I am a water engineer and i use RO water for my food prep/cooking. I grow my own salad & herbs but dont have the time to grow own veg. Staying away from processed food more important than organic for me.
Yeah I wonder if getting used to eating whole foods only is a big enough step at first and then I can look st going fully organic when I can afford to. I'd still eat organic meat and lime caught fish but get veg from somewhere cheaper. I think that's what I might do so I can save.
Hello,Yes!!! If you want to get better with anything you must find the root cause. I live in Arizona and the ground here is sprayed year around with Round up. all of my neighbors use it . It is also fairly windy and so if you are outside you will inhale it regularly. I used to run daily with my babies in a jogger stroller. All 4 kids and myself developed hypothyroidism. We have no genetic history! I suffered from rashes for 10 years, even became suicidal like the farmers who work in Monsanto fields . All my nervous system issues went away once I started eating non GMO and organic. However, I do not eat meat, only wild caught fish. I believe a lot of the ADHD diagnosis in young and dementia in elderly is a result of non stop chemical bombardment on our bodies . Of course it is much more expensive to eat this way but I have too. My itchiness was so bad that I could not sleep. When you don’t sleep you go insane very fast.
Luckily in the UK it's not as bad, and I think we have strict laws on how much of what chemicals can be used, so I think we are a bit safer, compared to the US anyway. But yeah I can definitely see the benefits of eating organic, but I can get in range without it and if I don't eat organic it means I can save for a mortgage. So it's a tough call.
I do similar to what you are saying - organic meat, and organic fruit and veg where possible. I wash non-organic stuff more thoroughly to remove pesticides as best as I can in bicarbonate of soda solution (think vinegar works too). There is a list of the “dirty dozen” and “clean fifteen” that gets published from time to time, UK version separate to any US one: pan-uk.org/dirty-dozen-and-.... You can find wild meat and game for a decent price sometimes eg I often buy venison mince as an alternative to organic beef mince. (I use Donald Russell and fill up freezer when on offer.)
I did this before even knowing about Hashimoto’s and noticed a massive, massive difference in hormonal balance evidenced by “easier” menstrual cycles. (Also organic sanitary products.)
It’s about that balance though as you say - wish it wasn’t so expensive!!!!
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I wish it was as simple as eating purely organic, but I'm a bit of a sceptic on that issue. Yes, eat good fresh food, not junk, processed rubbish. But not convinced organic everything is as magical as it's cracked up to be.
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