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The Soy Controversy

Just posting this here as I seem unable to post it in the thread concerned..............................Subsequent to the discussion yesterday about soy, I was invited to submit any written citations which backed up my assertion that consuming organic non GM whole bean products are fine even with hypos'.....this is just one piece written by a doctor. He also mentions how the funding of research and trials of this bean is often made by those involved in some way with the meat and/or dairy industries...also as an addition from me, which I forgot to mention earlier....animals used, not only are not humans, rats for instance dont have gall bladders, we do...and unless you know the quantities of soy they were fed and over what timescale, any data extrapolated is highly likely to be flawed. If you were trying to frighten people away from a product which might negatively affect your profits you would probably feed it to your labrats in high quantities so the result would be sure to be very bad in all respects. freefromharm.org/health-nut...

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Thank you for posting. :) It is always good to see different perspectives, particularly when they are backed by evidence.

The thread you mentioned has been closed due to arguing.

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Just differing opinion I think. Not really arguing. :)

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It was other people arguing - not you. :)

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Just what I said to the Judge :D

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LOL

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Whether people who have hypothyroidism should avoid soy is a topic of debate.

Hypothyroidism is generally treated with synthetic thyroid hormone — and soy has long been thought to interfere with the body's ability to absorb the medication. However, there's no evidence that people who have hypothyroidism should avoid soy completely.

If you have hypothyroidism, take thyroid hormone replacement as directed by your doctor. Medication can be taken at any time that's best for you, and it's okay to take it on an empty stomach or with food — as long as you do the same thing every day.

Generally, it's best to wait four hours after taking thyroid medication to consume any products that contain soy. The same guidelines apply to other products that may impair the body's ability to absorb thyroid medication, including concentrated iron and calcium supplements, and antacids that contain calcium or aluminum hydroxide.

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Just one thing I forgot to add is that the majority of farmed animals are fed some sort of Soy product during their short lives...(something like 2/3 of agricultural land is used to grow animal food) Not sure how much soy would be given to livestock in the UK though but speaking generally here....so if you eat meat then you are eating soy also, albeit processed by the animal's digestive system. :)

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If you click onto the username diogenes above - you will see the many Research Papers he has been involved with as Dr John Midgely in his posts. You can also click Replies and read those too :-)

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Nothing of soy itself is in the animals meat. Only animal protein that they have made by breaking down the soya into its basic parts in the digestive tract, then rebuilding to make the protein of the animal itself.

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There are also hormones in meat, those produced by the animal during it's life...and in cows milk, also very high in hormones since the cow is kept in an artificial state of motherhood her entire life. Just love how people worry about plant 'hormones' even when they are not recognised by the human body in the same way as human ones are. Interestingly the cow's growth hormone found in cows milk, you may know, is virtually identical to human's and IS recognised as such in the body and implicated in some cancers...I'd be far more concerned about that tbh.

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The small amount of growth hormone in cows milk does not affect humans:

Juskevich, J.C. & Guyer, C.G. (1990) Bovine Growth Hormone: Human Food Safety Evaluation.

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An FDA report science.sciencemag.org/cont... and the FDA links to dairy are legendary. They were even successfully prosecuted for working behind the scenes to present research not dissimilar to this.

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Seriously, so milk from female cows which contains a very high amount of growth hormones, it being the hormone delivery system intended for baby cows, to make their cells divide and multiply and which is so very similar to the human growth hormone that it IS recognised by the human body 'does not affect humans'.

There is now quite a bit of data contrary to that notion now available....this is just one piece from Viva but there's others too.

vivahealth.org.uk/healthfea...

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Hormones that are bovine-specific do not have biological effects in other species as we lack the appropriate receptors for the hormone to bind to – effectively we don’t have a cellular “lock” the hormone “key” will fit.

Moreover, when we consume protein hormones they are broken down within the digestive system into their component amino acids (the reason why insulin has to be injected) and therefore have no biological effect.

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Except in this case where human and bovine are identical...........this is the problem.

''Insulin-like growth factor (IGF-I) in humans and cows are identical. Like a key fitting into a lock, this hormone is a perfect match between two species of animal and exerts powerful growth effects. IGF-I is the most powerful growth hormone in the human body. Every sip of milk and every bite of cheese contains IGF-I. ''

Just one example...this is from Dr Robert Cohen, a microbiologist who has been trying to uncover much of this for many years.

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The cow growth hormone has a different structure chemically from human HGH, so doesn't act in this way. Its steroids in cows milk that are more of a problem.

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It still doesn't matter. This is a protein that is broken down in the stomach and intestine and can never appear in significant quantitites inside the rest of the human body. If you cannot affect insulin levels (another protein) by eating it, you can't do affect HGH levels for the same reason.

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Listen to foodrevolutionsummit.org later today to hear a discussion on dairy products.

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