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so I’ve just received a call from the gp stating at my endo appt I had high blood pressure - I won’t give numbers but it was high I’d been stressing about this appointment for some time - I now have to monitor for 7 days. I’m not going to take any more medication for anything and certainly not anything that makes me colder and more tired than I already am - so is there any point to doing this check??

They also tried to get me to book my smear test as I’m overdue and I’ve refused - having 30 years experience of women’s healthcare (butchery) I’m good thanks. Why do they get so miffed when you simply say no thank you 🤷‍♀️ I was perfectly polite with my decline of the offer?!?!

Any advise on natural ways to reduce blood would be greatly relieved - thank you

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GlowCoach profile image
GlowCoachAdministrator

I'm just wondering what your objection to preventative health screening is? Its done to save lives.

Theres every reason to monitor your blood pressure for 7 days if its been found to be high. Do read the NHS page about hypertension for further information.

nhs.uk/conditions/high-bloo...

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nooneimportant in reply toGlowCoach

Because all my previous experiences in women’s healthcare have been negative so I don’t want further medical trauma

Thanks I’ll have a look

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GlowCoachAdministrator in reply tonooneimportant

Its your choice obviously but honestly you're more likely to experience trauma by not doing all the preventative things offered to you.

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nooneimportant in reply toGlowCoach

My experiences suggest otherwise - but thank you x

Sparklingsunshine profile image
Sparklingsunshine in reply tonooneimportant

Your GP is probably miffed because they have targets and get bonuses when targets are met. You can permanently opt out if you are absolutely sure you dont want any future hassle.

You may need to fill in a signed disclaimer which is then added to your records. You can ask at your GP surgery. Its not irrevocable as you can opt back whenever you wish.

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nooneimportant in reply toSparklingsunshine

Thank you I think I will look into that - only issue is i think you have to have an appointment with the GP and I tend not to engage with them - I know how it sounds but I have had such horrible experiences with medics now I’m kinda anti the lot of them - although I don’t encourage my stance I really don’t.

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Sparklingsunshine in reply tonooneimportant

I opted out years ago, after similar very unpleasant experiences. I just wrote a letter/ email informing them of my decision. They did offer me an opportunity to discuss but I declined. I've done my research and I dont need to discuss it with anyone.

Frankly we make decisions about our health everyday, I dont need to consult a doctor about them. You are no under obligation, its called informed consent/dissent, which as competent adults we all have. They cant force any test on you.

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Jazzw in reply toSparklingsunshine

Exactly what I did. I had a very frank conversation with my GP setting out my reasoning after which she admitted that a smear test was unnecessary in my circumstances. That was back in the days when I had a GP who actually respected my intelligence and ability to do my own research. She’s very much missed by everyone who used to wait weeks to see her, rather than see one of the crap GPs. Sadly, I’d actually settle for one of those crap GPs now rather than the idiots who currently run my GP surgery…

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Stills in reply toJazzw

I may be one of the lucky ones. At 62 I’ve never had a bad smear test experience or breast scan or any other ‘scope’ or test. Even having several coils fitted and removed caused no problems and childbirth in the mid 80s was fine albeit two small babies in less than 7 hours each time. However I can report bad experiences trying to get treatment for whatever’s wrong with me now. All tests proving negative so the words hysterical, anorexic, depressed menopausal WOMAN have been uttered by one of the many locums who stream through my surgery. I admit only to being a post menopausal woman with a tendency towards anger at disinterested, stuck in dark ages, sexist GPs.

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buddy99 in reply toSparklingsunshine

Exactly! What happened to patient autonomy? Who gives anybody the right to rule over your body? Whatever your decision, you are always the one with the consequences (good or bad). If you follow bad advice...your consequences. If you follow good advice...your consequences. It always is your decision.

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Marz in reply tonooneimportant

All this screening can lead to over diagnosing I have read, which in turn can lead to over treatment making more money for ??

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Sparklingsunshine in reply toMarz

Heres another one, apparently 60% of people who have the NHS healthcheck aged 45 and over end up on statins, whereas data suggests only 14% of those screened would actually benefit. Overdiagnosis is not something to be taken lightly.

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buddy99 in reply tonooneimportant

nooneimportant, I understand where you are coming from. One can be totally traumatized by experiences with doctors/the medical system and it can even cause medical PTSD, which is very hard to overcome. For those who have not had that experience, this is very difficult to understand, but you'd rather die than put yourself in this traumatizing position again. Taking a chance that there could be a positive outcome is almost not an option. This is an article about it: autoimmuneinstitute.org/art...

But I left the original topic. Here is all I can think of to lower blood pressure naturally:

Eating a healthy diet: Eat more fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and low-fat dairy products. Eat less sodium and saturated fat.

Exercising regularly: Try strength training at least two days a week and cardio.

Managing stress: Try meditation or breathing exercises such as sitting comfortably, closing your eyes, inhaling deeply for 5 seconds, holding for 1-2 seconds, and exhaling slowly for 5 seconds. Repeat for 60 seconds.

Losing weight: Losing weight can help lower blood pressure.

Taking supplements: Consider supplements that contain fiber, potassium, magnesium, calcium, folic acid, or omega-3 fatty acids.

Eating foods that contain probiotics: Consuming live bacteria can help lower blood pressure.

Taking cinnamon: Cinnamon may help dilate blood vessels, which can lower blood pressure.

Avoiding or quitting smoking

Limiting sugar-sweetened beverages and desserts

Testing your blood pressure before consuming caffeine (if you have a monitor)

That's all I can think of. I hope there is at least something useful in there. Some of it might not apply to you at all or you have already tried it without the expected success. I really hope you can find a way to help yourself. All the best

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nooneimportant in reply tobuddy99

Yes I would rather die - dying is not an issue - living through more trauma is.

Thank you for the information I will read through it carefully and those I haven’t already

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Just_Be in reply tonooneimportant

don’t be bullied into having what they class preventative health care if you don’t want it. I opted out of further smears years ago after the nurse left the room for some more equipment or something that I can not remember. A student nurse was left with me but then went out of the room also. The room was next to the waiting room and there was no lock on the door. The student nurse came back but didn’t announce herself and I was behind the curtain half naked with a speculum inside me not knowing who it was. I tried to get up off the table but fell as couldn’t bend properly and injured myself both externally and internally. It was hushed up at my GP’s and I was so relieved as felt embarrassed, ashamed and stupid. I have always been scared to go back incase the nurse saw me.

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nooneimportant in reply toJust_Be

I hear so many many negative experiences it’s a wonder anyone attends anymore and also not surprising to hear lots of people refusing to go 😞

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janeroar in reply toJust_Be

I’m appalled by your experience. I wish we could have the courage to make a complaint in these situations but we are shamed into silence.

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Sparklingsunshine in reply toGlowCoach

I do wish we could stop with the unthinking mantra that screening saves lives and its always a force for good. You would have to screen 1000 women for 35 years to save 1 life. Plus as with any screening programme you will get false positives, potentially exposing patients to harmful, invasive treatment they dont need.

Its not as cut and dried as the NHS would have you believe. There have been numerous reports over the years about thousands of women being recalled because of lab errors. This doesnt instill confidence.

Plus some women find smears extremely traumatic and painful and often the nurses are not sympathetic or particularly well trained in making it a more comfortable experience. There are signs that the NHS will rollout an at home test where women can collect their own samples at home. Lets hope so.

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nooneimportant in reply toSparklingsunshine

I have to agree and I was an advocate of smears until my last five experiences - I just won’t go to experience the pain and trauma again

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DoeStewart in reply tonooneimportant

Breast and cervical acreening saved my mums life. Breast screening had only just been rolled out and my mum got the letter to attend. Long story short, a lump was detected, couldn't be felt or seen on her breast, she had a biopsy and then an operation to remove, consultants words were, if you hadn't have come for screening and waited till lump could be felt or seen then would have been different outcome. Same cervical screening, first test, dodgy cells found and then treated. Hence, I never missed an invite to both of these screenings. It is a womans choice what they do or don't do and should be accepted by the medical profession.

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Buddy195Administrator in reply toSparklingsunshine

Cervical Screening saved the life of one of my closest friends, as her cancer was detected early and was successfully treated Early detection can literally be a life saver. I have also lost a wonderful colleague to bowel cancer, so similarly would urge members who receive a stool sample test to complete this too.

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Sparklingsunshine in reply toBuddy195

I'm sure we all know people whose cancer was detected early, that said though its not black and white, and I dont think we should be castigating people who have made a decision, often for good reasons, not to be screened. Its a personal decision that should be respected.

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waveylines in reply toSparklingsunshine

We are going to get more if it though as Wez is all for it!! Competency woud be handy but what he means by this is some computer programme and blanket treatment......eg statins! Big pharma love it!!

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Sparklingsunshine in reply towaveylines

Well Wes can go forth and multiply, odious little man. We are under no oblgation to accept any screening, testing or treatments.

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PurpleNailsAdministrator in reply toSparklingsunshine

“You would have to screen 1000 women for 35 years to save 1 life.”

Have you a source for that statistic?

Other sources quote 2,000 lives saved a year.

cancerresearchuk.org/health...

I’ve attended screens where additional issues have been detected aside from the target investigation.

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Sparklingsunshine in reply toPurpleNails

Yes I've read several reports and articles from Margaret McCartney, GP, author who is I guess something of an outlier.

She has declined screening herself and has written a book explaining the science, statistics, risks of an unthinking belief that cancer screening is always a positive thing, that there are no harms involved. heraldscotland.com/news/130....

She's not the only one. I've seen cautions and reservations from other medics. Its funny because we question the advice given from medics a lot on here, thyroid treatment, statins. Which is right and proper. And yet many still wholeheartedly believe the NHS when it comes to cancer screening. If the NHS gets it wrong in so many other aspects of healthcare why should we believe them about screening?

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waveylines in reply toSparklingsunshine

It's a difficult one Sparklingsunshine.

I bet a fair few of us have had brushes with cancer either personally or with loved ones.... and also lost loved ones. I have sadly lost 6 loved ones. Lack of screening lost two very good friends as it was finally diagnosed too late same with my father. His sister was lucky same cancer got picked up early through screening and she was cured. I myself was saved & 10yrs in remission but still high risk.. So it's an emotive subject and we all have to make our own minds up.

Of course being diagnosed doesnt mean your cancer treatment will be sucessful either but generally it's recognised earlier gives a better chance but it depends what type it is. 'Generally' of course doesn't mean that it will for all either....

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Sparklingsunshine in reply towaveylines

I understand, its a personal decision and I would never advise anyone to duck out of screening unless they had read up on the pros and cons and considered it carefully.

Cancer is an emotive subject for many people, we all know people who've died from it. But I think that the NHS very much underplays the risks, of the stress and anxiety of having the test, before and after as well, waiting for results. And the very real issue of false positive results.

I think we need a more nuanced approach than the NHS treating women especially, as though we are too stupid to make up our own mind and being treated with derision or surprise, if we decide not to get screened. They also need to acknowledge that for some cervical screening is especially problematic and no amount of bullying on their part will change that.

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waveylines in reply toSparklingsunshine

Totally agree. Being fully informed is vital to make your decision & that should be respected. Ive been bullied over statins. My bloods are good but their computer system says treat. The doctor could not explain the rational for this except my score was over a certain percentage! Not good enough. That's not being fully informed.

So yes the right to say no is important. And the right to have full information is vital to make the decision.

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Sparklingsunshine in reply towaveylines

My issue is I feel all these screenings and pressure to treat with statins or whatever isnt done from a place of care and concern for our wellbeing.

Its just a rigid tick box mentality that the NHS has to reach targets or for GP's to make extra money. That really irks me. I'm not a unit of money, I'm a well educated woman with opinions and preferences.

Tbh it brings out my inner rebel. The more they try and push their agenda the less I'm willing to engage with them.

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Sparklingsunshine in reply toPurpleNails

And this article theguardian.com/commentisfr...

waveylines profile image
waveylines in reply toPurpleNails

No quite true PurpleNails. Saved mine & number of others all diagnosed with BC.

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PurpleNailsAdministrator in reply towaveylines

Please clarify, what have I said that’s untrue?

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waveylines in reply toPurpleNails

The bit about saving lives....

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PurpleNailsAdministrator in reply towaveylines

The first part was a quote by another member, I was asking for an information source, (which they have since provided) maybe you meant to direct comment to them?

The 2nd link was referring how cervical screening saves 2000 lives as a balance/comparison.

I’ve seen figures of lives saved in region of 10,000 a year if you group together all the screening programmes.

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waveylines in reply toPurpleNails

Ahhh sorry Purplenails....I can see that now. I thought it was your quote . My apologies.

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PurpleNailsAdministrator in reply towaveylines

I think this thread is confusing everyone. Not your fault.

😀

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waveylines in reply toPurpleNails

Awww thanks....it was confusing but still..... Hope ure OK?

Buddy195 profile image
Buddy195Administrator

I really hope you reconsider your routine smear test…. Early detection of any abnormal cells has been a life saver for so many women.

Regarding high BP- beetroot juice has helped me in the past. I’m a big fan of juicing!

healthline.com/health/drink....

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nooneimportant

I won’t reconsider - I’ve had previous investigations and those people are evil - I said I would never consider going back and I stand by that stance.

Thank you I appreciate that I will look into 😊 I don’t smoke cigarettes or drink I exercise a lot and I eat healthy so I can’t find anything else I can do with diet so assuming as it was always very low this I thyroid related 😖

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TiggerMeAmbassador

Good dose of Vit C and a long hot bath 🙂

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nooneimportant in reply toTiggerMe

Thank you

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TiggerMeAmbassador in reply tonooneimportant

How often do you need to test?

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TiggerMeAmbassador in reply toTiggerMe

My dad was a bit of a BP fanatic and I gave him some rosehip syrup, a week later he gave it back saying it worked too well! 😖

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nooneimportant in reply toTiggerMe

3 times a day apparently

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TiggerMeAmbassador in reply tonooneimportant

Seem to remember Dad saying that first one done on waking, 2pm at least an hour after food and any hot drink gives a more accurate reading and same with evening, always take two readings a couple of minutes apart record the second one and discard the first days readings 🤗

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nooneimportant in reply toTiggerMe

Thank you x

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waveylines in reply toTiggerMe

My last round of bp reading my doctor wanted I was supposed to test 5x and submit the lowest one - twice per day. Full time job!! 🤣

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Tina_Maria

How are your actual thyroid levels? If your thyroid hormones are not optimal, this can impact blood pressure. Are you still taking carbimazole or are you on any replacement hormones?

Low thyroid hormones can weaken the heart and stiffen your blood vessels, hence the blood pressure can rise. Have you had a recent check of your thyroid hormones (TSH, T4 and T3)? This could give you a clue if it is thyroid related or if there are any other causes that should need investigating. Blood pressure can also rise, if you under a lot of stress, as adrenaline can increase your pressure (fight or flight syndrome).

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nooneimportant in reply toTina_Maria

I take Carbimazole 2.5mg every other day any less and I get hyper symptoms

07.01.25 TSH: 0.94 (range I think is 0.27-4.5) T4: 15.7 (range is 11-23)

I’m always under a lot of pressure and all health appointments are a real problem for me ie my heart jumps up considerably and pounds relentlessly until I leave or end a call - I wasn’t going to even answer the phone when I saw it was the GP surgery calling - wish I hadn’t as this immediately put me into stress mode and i was in tears straight after as is what usually happens - I work in the NHS and advocate for it wherever possible - I tell friends family colleagues please get this or that investigated etc etc so having been treated so poorly myself and ended up with chronic anxiety because of it is beyond devastating especially when I sit weighing up whether I’d just rather die than have another traumatic appointment 😞 I usually fall on the side of the former - for me it’s just not worth it x

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Sparklingsunshine in reply tonooneimportant

I've had similar negative experiences ( many women have) and once the trust is gone its very hard to get it back. I know several forum members have reported similar issues.

Feeling violated, having PTSD, feeling gaslit, misunderstood, treated as though you are a hypochondriac or mentally ill. These are all good reasons for mistrusting medics. I avoid doctors too, unless something was hanging off. I prefer to manage my own health these days.

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nooneimportant in reply toSparklingsunshine

It’s so sad but I feel the same 😞

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BigBlueBear55 in reply toSparklingsunshine

Same here, some of my experiences would make you cringe and would seem hard to believe they were so absurd.

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Tina_Maria in reply tonooneimportant

Are you certain that these are hyper symptoms that you are experiencing? Hyper and hypo symptoms can be very similar.

Your TSH is within range now but more importantly, your T4 is only 39.2% through the range. So this would be too low for most people to feel well (most people need their T4 and T3 around 60-70% through the range). I know that the NHS does not routinely measure T3, but I would guess as your T4 is so low, your T3 would probably be equally low - and this could give you significant problems. I completely understand that you don't want to go back to where you were before with your hyper symptoms, but it looks to me that you thyroid levels are actually too low now and this is why you are not feeling well. As I have mentioned, hypothyroidism can cause high blood pressure and anxiety as well.

Would it be possible for you to do a private thyroid function test? This way you can see your TSH, T4 and T3 which will give you a good indication on where your levels are at present. If the T3 is low as well, you may have to think about reducing your carbimazole further to allow your thyroid to come back a bit more, so the T4 and T3 can rise again. T3 actually regulates serotonin and noradrenaline, and these are often dysregulated in anxiety and depression; so by letting your thyroid hormones rise a bit may actually help with your anxiety.

I was suffering from anxiety as well and I know that it makes it really difficult to interact with HCPs, as you struggle to advocate for yourself. But once I took more control over my health (testing privately and optimising nutrients etc.) this really helped me feeling more in control. Trying relaxation techniques and doing gentle exercises also helped. Maybe worth a try?

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nooneimportant in reply toTina_Maria

The truth is I have no idea - my Hyper and Hypo symptoms are very very similar - the Consultant at my last appointment on 7th January wanted to try taking me off meds as my numbers have remained stable but when I reduce them further I get horrendous muscle aches etc. so he agreed I could stay on them until I was at a 2 year point instead. Currently I am bit all over the place with symptoms - reduce meds and get a lot of hair fall out and start having feelings of being hyper active - sleep disturbance, running slightly warmer, my teeth ache, pretty sure I've had hand tremors too - although that might be paranoia. Take meds more regularly and I have freezing hands and feet - hot face with some minor swelling and tiredness etc which is where I am at now on 2.5mg every other day - I have no idea what else to do - I exercise by fast paced walking every day (around 1 to 1.5 hours per day and I love it), my diet is very good generally, I don't smoke cigarettes nor do I drink alcohol (maybe a small glass of wine on a special occasion at best) and sometimes I vape but not a lot. I work full time as a project manager which I don't find stressful, I work part time as a mobile hairdresser which I don't find stressful, I am trying to renovate my home which is stressful as I am on my own, I am doing a degree which is stressful trying to fit it in but I think I manage.

I live an hour away from friends and family and they don't visit me, I have to go to them if I want to see them. but I have had no support whether I was ten minutes away or an hour away tbf.

Right now I have just had to buy a new car and can't afford another blood test plus I have to get it drawn as I can't get anything out with a finger pricker test.

I take daily supplements of Vit E, B complex, Magnesium, D3, Selenium, Acetyl L-Carnitine, and Lemon balm ... I'm at a loss as to what I'm missing or doing particularly wrong now 😔

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Tina_Maria in reply tonooneimportant

I can understand that it is very difficult to know what to do, it certainly is not easy.

Just a thought, sometimes when we fear to get a reaction by doing something, our mind can actually get us in such a state that we really are experiencing symptoms, even though they may be unrelated to the action itself. This is called the nocebo effect, where a negative expectation about a treatment (or stopping a treatment) can cause patients to experience negative symptoms. This can happen even if the treatment (or lack of treatment) itself doesn't cause those symptoms. And as you have said, you are having anxiety about stopping your treatment, as you fear that your symptoms could return.

I don't have the answer what would be best to do or how you could overcome this; but perhaps knowing that it would take quite a while for you to become overactive again, if you were to try to reduce your carbimazole further, that could perhaps put your mind a bit at rest that the symptoms you feel, might not actually be hyper-related?

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helvellaAdministrator

I've come to the conclusion that, for many of us, blood pressure measured at an appointment is worse than a waste of time.

Doing it yourself, with even a moderately OK machine, and careful technique is far more valuable.

I know that I can feel my blood pressure rising when a doctor or nurse takes my blood pressure. Despite feeling quite calm!

Luckily, the most recent times, it wasn't that high and the person doing it was well aware of "white coat hypertension" so it did not trigger any action. At home, it was actually very acceptable, even slightly low.

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nooneimportant in reply tohelvella

Mine used to be very low but it’s jumped massively since Graves’ disease and probably needs treating but … my negative experiences with healthcare professionals has left me unable to engage with them 😞 although I don’t have the symptoms like I did with preeclampsia I had the vision issues swelling and losers then but I don’t have anything other than recently acid reflux whenever I eat anything, pain in both shoulders, arms and my right elbow 🤷‍♀️

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TiggerMeAmbassador in reply tonooneimportant

I wonder if your levels are a bit low, though we've only got fT4 to go on

Free T4 (fT4) 15.7 pmol/L (11 - 23) 39.2%

It could be the cause of the acid reflux which could actually be low stomach acid meaning things aren't being dissolved enough to digest and sitting around in your stomach and then backing up?

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nooneimportant in reply toTiggerMe

I don’t know 🤷‍♀️ this was fine for me at 0.94

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TiggerMeAmbassador in reply tonooneimportant

How long after carbimazole do you test?

Can you cut the carbimazole any smaller to allow taking the same dose everyday?

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nooneimportant in reply toTiggerMe

I tried that and it didn’t seem to work very well and I started with hyper symptoms (I believe)

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TiggerMeAmbassador in reply tonooneimportant

Carbimazole is fast acting and intended for little and often use so I'd have thought taking on alternate days means you'll be constantly bobbing up and down

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nooneimportant in reply toTiggerMe

I dunno why but it seems to work better this way for me - when I tried quarters that was a nightmare and I don’t think much of anything was getting in as even the pill cutter was disintegrating the tiny pink tablets 🤷‍♀️

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TiggerMeAmbassador in reply tonooneimportant

So really it makes sense to do a full thyroid panel but would you do it 24 or 48h after the last dose? Ideally both

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TiggerMeAmbassador in reply tonooneimportant

Do they ever test your fT3?

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nooneimportant in reply toTiggerMe

They have done in the past and it’s been ok well high when t4 was high but so far no major issues with t3 I’ve only had it tested a few times they don’t do it unless pushed

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elaar in reply tohelvella

A nurse took my pulse/BP just before my first colonoscopy. She questioned my elevated pulse/BP, and was it always like that? Who on earth has normal resting ranges when they're about to have something inserted up their bottom?

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janeroar in reply toelaar

Hilarious 🤣

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Tina_Maria in reply toelaar

🤦‍♀️ And then health care professionals seem to wonder why patients question their logical reasoning ... 😂 !

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Staffsgirl in reply tohelvella

Totally agree. I have horrendously high white coat blood pressure, and always warn the person taking it My own GP is very understanding and quite happy for me to just monitor occasionally at home. I would advise against monitoring too often, even at home: for me that in itself causes hypertension.

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Coulby

I've been messed around and told to have unnecessary surgery...I was also asked to do a 7 day BP check which I gladly did...I had a heart attack !! The outcome could have been a lot worse if I hadn't taken the doctors advice on BP monitoring....Right now my BP is 168/102.

It's your body but please think carefully about it all.

All the very best and I wish you well 🌻

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66olives

Your blood pressure may have been raised becaused were stressed about the appointment, if you do the monitoring, at least you'll have accurate non-stressed numbers. Even if you choose not yo give info to the GP.

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redhead41

I would get a bp machine and take your own at home. Best if you take it 3 x in the same arm 3 or 4 x a day. Repeat over a few days. If it is still high, then you will have to really think about medication. Lifestyle changes might be helpful.

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arTistapple

The trauma of any contact with medics - I get you. Ditto. So HBP with any medic contact likely. I found when I did the 24 hour thing - the monitor as opposed to taking the BP myself - my BP fell considerably short of ‘high’. This was because I could forget about it and get on with what I could get on with, as opposed to being constantly aware that it was time to take my BP again!

I see you take carbizamole so I am at the different end of the spectrum from you. Hypo. However lots of my symptoms were and remain looking like hyper.

The wonders of thyroid disease.

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Libuse

I can’t comment on smear tests but at the mere thought of a GP or hospital mine goes through the roof. I was once detained in the surgery and not allowed to leave by a ‘practitioner’ until I’d spoken to a doctor. To keep them quiet I bought a home machine. I was anxious so at first remained high, gradually coming down to normal……

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Agitator23

A smear test saved my life. It can hurt but it's worth it. No symptoms at all but there it was. Extremely quick treatment after smear results.

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nooneimportant in reply toAgitator23

I’m glad you had a better experience- mine was awful - it was not quick and extremely stressful so I’m not going back but thank you - I’m happy for your positive outcome

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Agitator23 in reply tonooneimportant

Mine are always awful, too 😞

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Sparklingsunshine in reply tonooneimportant

I hope the NHS quickly rolls out home tests for women so they can take a sample at home. Cervical screening rates are dropping, for numerous reasons but fear, embarassment and pain are probably the main reasons. If the NHS wants to improve screening rates then they need to make it as easy as the current bowel screening programme.

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Brightness14

Hawthorn extract which has been used for over 100 years, lowers blood pressure naturally.

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suza1216

Cervical screening now looks for HPV virus. If it is present then they will do further tests. They do not look for unusal cells in the first instance now. If you have had previous screening that did not detect HPV virus and have had no way of contacting it since then then the test is a waste of time. I was in a ten year trial for cervical screening. It is up to you as an individual to what you think is best.

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tattybogle in reply tosuza1216

(nooneimportant , i understand you've already made your decision, and why , so this reply is for others reading later) Hi Suza1216 just to make you and others aware , it's not entirely safe to rely on a previous negative HPV result , and 'no way of catching it since then '.

I've had HPV previously (and abnormal cells )and it has gone away after treatment , followed by negative HPV samples at next 2 smear tests , and it's then come back again despite being totally celibate since the previous negative test. no one has an explanation of how , except that recurrent HPV affects a small % of cases . I've had bits of cervix removed on both occasions to treat abnormal cells and my last smear was again free of HPV and i'm still celibate ~ but i wouldn't assume that means i'm safe from it coming back again. A friend died very young of Cervical cancer leaving 2 little kids , so i've known for years that relying on symptoms rather than smear tests can mean it's found too late to stop it.

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waveylines

Am not anti some screening. Not been against mammogram and the like. I had breast cancer very aggressive. My life was saved by aggressive long treatment but left consequences. My BP went up when I was under treated for my thyroid (hypothyroidism) . Put my thyroid meds up......BP came down. So I had symptoms of too low BP. Stopped the BP tablet myself. A nurse told me reccetly that my BP is perfect! Made me laugh......yet to find a way to tell GP. It's on my repeats. I just dont order it. This make me non compliant I guess! 🤣😂

Doctors don't have the time to monitor you & take proper actions but tend to complain when you do it yourself. Lol....

I do the same with my nhs Endo. I email him blood test results and tell him what dose I'm on. Tell him I'm increasing & will retest x period of time. He seems un bothered and often dont get a response. Or its weeks later. I have NHS care NHS shared care......no meds. No one wants to apply for the fundibg so my meds are reinstated......result no meds from the nhs. How this can ever be right I really dont know!!! Madness but no one cares. But thinks its happening because each party says its not my problem!!! And dont want the work of applying. Jobsworthy professionals!! So I put 2 fingers up and do my own thing. What can they do? Very little it seems!!!

Take the good.....dismiss the crap is my suggestion.... some screening can be preventative.....

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nooneimportant

So I think the general idea is my T4 might be a little low, which potentially could lead to a higher BP and therefore (not saying this is advise given) but I believe I should try and lower the medication a little to see if the T4 comes up any .... I also greatly appreciate the comments about cervical and breast screening and I take them all on board and I am glad some have had positive outcomes and experiences with these screening programmes, unfortunately I am not one of them - I may one day reconsider but currently my experiences have been extremely negative and I think at least for now I will not attend these appointments - despite how valuable they are, but I am grateful for the opinions and experiences shared.

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JoJoloveschocolate in reply tonooneimportant

I know what you mean about negative experiences. I try to swerve the Gp as much as possible now. The surgery fills me with dread! Not one of their doctors has made me well. Years ago when I went with hypothyroid symptoms and even mentioned Hashimotos and Graves disease in the family, they diagnosed me with Fibromyalgia and then CFS. Then when I tested myself at a later date and found tsh above range and low t4, they retested and eventually started me on levo, but then every time I tested and asked for an increase it was a battle! Every time they check my bp the machine pumps far too high and last time it bruised my arm! I’ve got a home machine to check it every so often now.

With smear tests - I never had a good experience up until my last one. Well…it started off awful as usual with the nurse at the surgery first telling me she was an “expert” - never bodes well that does it🤣 Then when I lay down on the couch, she started telling me to contort myself into ridiculous positions with my hands under my bum, trying to lift up at the same time. Couldn’t hardly move my legs properly into position because the couch was pushed up against a wall. She complained that she couldnt find my tilted cervix and tutted and sighed as if I was hiding it from her on purpose! What did she think I’d done with it!! Stashed it in my handbag!! Then she shoved the speculum in and had to peel me off the ceiling because of the searing pain. Then she told me off like and naughty child and said “Right, that’s it! I’m not dealing with this! Off to the hospital for you! She said it Like it was a threat…so, off I went to the local colposcopy clinic, anxiety through the roof. Turned out to be the Best. Thing. Ever! Nurse Ratched did me a massive favour. Up at the colposcopy clinic they were used to dealing with difficult smears and anxious patients. They had an amazing, extremely comfortable examination chair/bed, and brilliant highly-trained nurses. The room was warm and comfortable. They sat and listened and chatted with me and made me feel at ease. Really down to earth, genuinely caring and supportive. They asked me if I was ready and helped me to get comfortable. The nursing sister stayed by my side and carried on chatting to me while the colposcopy nurse got on with the smear…And honestly and truly - I did not feel a thing! First time ever in my life that had happened. I didn’t even know she’d done it. I nearly cried with the sheer relief. They even said don’t bother with the gp surgery next time you’re called, just get them to refer you to us again and tell them we said you are to come to us in the future.

I respect your right to choose and your boundaries, but just telling you this in case you do decide to change your mind in the future. Wishing you all the best.

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tattybogle in reply toJoJoloveschocolate

i second that , nurses at colposcopy clinic where i went were extremely good, and handled my abject terror with skill and compassion. if you've got a tricky cervix , definitely try and get referred to them .

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nooneimportant in reply totattybogle

I’ve got to say that my experiences at colposcopy clinic were just as bad as those with the gp 😞 I swear they see me and think “let’s be cruel to this one”

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JoJoloveschocolate in reply tonooneimportant

Oh no! I am so sorry. I just assumed your experience was at the Gp surgery, probably because my surgery is horrible.

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tattybogle in reply tonooneimportant

p.s just remembered i posted this 8 mths ago about flax seeds /high blood pressure :

"it's also worth trying Flax seeds ( ground , not whole)

it was discussed on Radio 4's 'Just One Thing' ( Michael Mosely )... 18th april 2024

episode title 'Try Flax Seeds' (why feasting on flax seeds could reduce inflammation , blood pressure and benefit your skin)

Search for it on BBC 'Sounds' "

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nooneimportant in reply totattybogle

Good morning - thank you - I’ll look into 🥰

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Mazza44

Hello there,

I would say track your BP yourself for your own peace of mind and if on the high side try some measures to bring it down.

A lot of people are magnesium defficient- magnesium acts as a calcium channel blocker and reduces blood pressure, hence why people are advised not to supplement when taking BP meds. So it is a good first point of call (contained in many BP meds).

Reducing sugar/fixing any insulin resistance problem is also shown to reduce blood pressure.

Taking a daily walk has been shown to reduce blood pressure - and having good sleep hygiene.

I have a relatively inexpensive fitness watch that I use to regularly track my BP - just so I know where I am at.

Dr Eric Berg (youtube/facebook) has lots of natural remedies for BP and many other things that are well worth a watch to assist in forming a view.

If it's routinely high you really should take steps to reduce it - just for you. I say this as my sister passed away from stroke secondary to silent high BP. Arguably preventable.

I hope you are feeling better soon x

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Valeriu

My mum had very high blood pressure....however am sure she was on meds for it too. She cut out salt, coffee in moderation.....I would suggest you use Celtic salt ( Amazon sell it). I wasn't keen on a smear test but went anyway....However I skipped the Mammogram last year.... Good Luck :)

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tattybogle

high blood pressure ? ~ take your bike ( and tent /or some money) round the coast of scotland . ( anticlockwise is best ) and do some Tai Chi practice every time you come across a headland with nice view. (and as others have mentioned . Hawthorn extract , and Beetroot can be very effective )

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Dgoebel

HiUnfortunately there is not a single natural remedy to reduce blood pressure. I know because it happens to me.

I tried every natural thing there is.

I nearly had a heart attack, and I know people who had, because they refused to take the medication, so please take the blood pressure pill.

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nooneimportant in reply toDgoebel

I'm glad you made your own informed choice as will I - thank you

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BigBlueBear55 in reply toDgoebel

Have you tried Oregano oil, my mum uses it sometimes and it works for her, not sure about long term use though.

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serenfach

Here is one tale to make you smile. I went with a friend for moral support for a smear test at the hospital. When I was all ready on the bed, the nurse realised that it would not raise into position. She called maintainance and they came with a bag of tools and WD40 in hand, while I sat to one side.

When I came out, friend was crying with laughter. She said "I know it has been a while, but did they have to use a chisel and spray to get in there?!"

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Brigland27

Potassium may bring it down but look into it, everyone' has different things going on & maybe check with your doctor

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