PLEASE - do not take this as any form of advice or guidance. I am posting it as a matter of interest, very largely due to the many discussions about vitamins K1 and K2 over the years right here.
Vitamin K found in some cheeses could help fight Covid-19, study suggests
Scientists in Netherlands explore possible link between deficiency and Covid-19 deaths
Patients who have died or been admitted to intensive care with Covid-19 have been found to be deficient in a vitamin found in spinach, eggs, and hard and blue cheeses, raising hopes that dietary change might be one part of the answer to combating the disease.
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Interesting but no surprise it comes from a country that sells cheese! We have just had the correction to a study that claimed benefits for hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m21... .
I have concern that journals are now publishing papers that would fail peer review in normal circumstances. It may be done out of eagerness to find a cure or perhaps less successful journals see a chance to gain publicity.
This is a general comment and not meant to criticise the vitamin K study which may be useful.
About 5 times as much cheese as the UK but nothing anywhere as good as a Cheshire cheese! We should start upping our production if the K2 is not a hoax based on spurious data from a suspect American data analysis company.
Thank you for info. I have a Vegaveo K2 +D3 spray but can't use it because gives me sores in my mouth (i have allergies)...It contains VIT D3 As Lichen, and K2 from natto and preservatives. I can take InvitaD3 from GP but won't give me enough as supposedly 'sufficient' but i'm nowhere near sufficient (at the low end) of their 'sufficient' and he looks at me dumbfounded when I say i need K2
If nobody can test VitK e.g. Blue Horizon, Medichecks how can anybody know how much they really need. A guessing game as too much would have negative consequences just as too little would. In my opinion for Vit K2 supplement 75-100ug is sufficient from my research. I also have Selenium, Igennus Super B Complex, probio7, actimel, Better you magnesium spray (absorbs better with Hashimoto's), Acerola powder, InvitaD3 25000 iu ampoules, Nu U Nutrition Vit D3, Vegavero K2 +D3 spray. I think turkey, spinach, eggs, cheese, sourdough bread, potatoes, carrots, tomatoes (fresh and tinned) peas (frozen birdseye) are nutritious and delicious. I didn't have problems until I started taking levo 8 1/2 years ago
P.S. My Sister was diagnosed Hypothyroid 26 years ago and apart from on occasion switching from hypo to hyper she leads an active 'normal life' albeit she is not interested in researching anything. She just either takes 125mcg or 100mcg as to how she feels (simply says her body tells her when she's gone hyper) 70 years old....who really knows. Individual differences. No 2 are the same..Her motto everything in moderation....lucky lass But, although no 'special diet eats healthy' e.g. potatoes asparagus seabass is one favourite, but then a curry, fish n chips on a Friday, red wine, lots of fresh produce - chicken, veg, fish, has allotment so grows own veg etc etc
Oh dear that sounds awful. I used to get hideous mouth ulcers all the time but since I got treated for hypothyroidism they disappeared - it was a massive relief
I am not impressed that the writer(s) couldn't be more precise in their usage of the terms vitamin K, vitamin K1 and vitamin K2. To me, vitamin K is virtually meaningless, but I realise I might be over-stating the issue.
I was so happy to read this, as I am always puzzled that in England the medical profession does not seem to connect good health with daily nutritious food. They will suggest almost anything other than the things we put into our bodies every single day. I hope the medical profession now starts to look at the average UK diet and make some sensible suggestions. Sadly I doubt it...
I am surprised they even mention it for a minute. Are you sure about that? I thought the attitude was that vitamins and minerals are simply for the irritating people who are overly obsessed with their health.
Dr Aseem Malhotra and others have been lobbying parliament and becoming involved in discussions with regard to the nation's collective appalling diet and the failings of current dietary advice. The Big Fat Fix film was shown to MPs - though I'm not sure if they have taken too much heed - and Dr Malhotra has been part of policy discussions that focus on reducing sugar. He recently persuaded the PM not to reverse plans to introduce a sugar tax.
The film can be seen here for a small fee (I've not seen it yet):
With Dr Donal O'Neill, Dr Malhotra devised the Pioppi diet, which, apparently, was undertaken by Matt Hancock to great success.
But, I suspect that big business, as well as big pharma, has far too much control over governments of all persuasions. And, of course, the populace doesn't take kindly to being told what to eat.
I was horrified, when doing a telephone order for my Dad that the supermarket's pre-ordained list of 'essential foodstuffs' included crisps, coke and chips. There seems to be a long way to go....
I must take a look at the film. There is hope but probably only a minority of UK citizens will change their eating habits. I definitely think we need a huge tax on takeaway food, as this seems to be the root of the evil of poor food choices and has led to our woeful obesity statistics.
Depends what the food you are taking away is. Remember that many restaurants are now doing takeaway to avoid going bankrupt and if it was OK to eat while sitting in, I don't see why it should be not OK to take away. Ready meals should definitely be taxed if takeaways should be.
And for all the rubbish it creates we pay twice for that junk - healthwise and for litter removal. I was thinking back to when we were kids with my sister when none of that junk food existed, you used a basket and you might have got things in a brown paper bag. The chips in a newspaper seems shocking now, but lots of people claim it was the ideal packaging and they never tasted better - I don’t fancy that being reinstated!
One of the reasons I am so against takeaway food is that a few years ago my daughter worked in a London hospital and close by was a school. Every afternoon the children left school and queued up at a van to buy chicken and chips to eat on the way home. That evening their mothers went out to buy takeaway food for the evening meal. They were all obese and my daughter was seeing them in her clinic and was helpless to make any difference in their lives. Many were probably the people who are dying now of Covid. And what makes me so angry is that we are deprived of proper thyroid treatment and told we cannot have T3 because it is too expensive. I am lucky at the moment and get it prescribed but have to see an endocrinologist in August to assess my need. The country will be on its knees by then so I am not very hopeful.
Incidentally, just to reassure you, weren’t the chips in a little grease proof bag and then wrapped in newspaper? I do hope so.
I hope you get the T3, I think the situation is scandalous. I take NDT which is getting harder and harder to source and more and more expensive ....if you can find it, but really should have been allowed a T3 trial when I still did not feel better on T4, despite being optimised by TSH my free T3 was in the basement. I have the DIO2 polymorphism for poor conversion but only the partial one I hear that is not good enough to get a T3 trial 😬 I also have thyroid resistance genes, but can’t imagine it would make one iota of difference to what I’d be offered on the NHS - permanent ill health on Levothyroxine despite paying my national insurance all my working life. Whilst the health of the nation is ruined by companies promoting the guzzling of junk food and the streets are festooned with its litter. It’s a sorry state of affairs.
So good to hear someone else ranting about junk food! I sometimes feel like a lone soul but fortunately this site has more health conscious members than most.
Somebody will start eating cheese to fend off covid lol
I just received a cheese "cake" order from the Cheese Shed - bought as a friend's birthday cake. It's tower of 4 different cheeses. They also do wedding cakes. Not cheap but all made in this country by (relatively) small businesses
My dad always got himself half a Stilton from Melton for Christmas , which is the size of a wedding cake. It had to live in the Front room on its own. and it lasted us till easter, long after the 'posh room' had filled up with junk again . we used to dare our friends to open the door and smell !!! Very nice with a warm mince pie Dont cover it in plastic though. it has to be covered with buttered paper , coz my dad sez so !
Sorry .. but that sounds horrible! lol I have eaten cheese and chocolate in the past because my old uncle told me to try it years ago .... it was vile if I am being honest.
Blue cheese A slice of stilton with How To Eat’s mince pie, you say? Clearly this is something made up by mischievous internet trolls to fool innocent readers into trying it. It will ruin mince pies for you, for ever.
caught red handed! yes I am in fact a longstanding undercover international cheese propagandist . deviously masquerading as a tent dwelling luddite with no IT skills.
Just because vitamin K is necessary for blood clotting doesn't mean that it should be avoided in covid-19 or other circumstances. (The exception being people taking "blood thinners".)
Since the primary deficiency disease associated with vitamin K is bleeding due to impaired blood clotting, it is often thought that high intake of vitamin K may increase thrombosis risk. This is evidently not true. Full carboxylation (and thus: maximal procoagulant activity) of the vitamin K-dependent clotting factors is essential, and vitamin K metabolism has been designed to meet that goal with highest priority. Excess vitamin K intake cannot result in more clotting factor carboxylation. This has also been demonstrated within our institute in thousands of subjects taking high doses of vitamin K during several years. Even when monitored with the most sensitive techniques (endogenous thrombin potential, ETP), an increased thrombosis tendency was not found in any of the participants. An exception is formed by patients receiving oral anticoagulants like warfarin or acenocoumarol that act as vitamin K-antagonists. Obviously excess vitamin K intake will interfere with this medication. On the other hand it is becoming increasingly clear that the long-term use of these drugs is associated with accelerated bone loss, low bone mass, and widespread valvular and arterial calcifications, thus demonstrating once more the importance of vitamin K for bone and vascular health.
This stinks as cheese propaganda, I have been interested in nutrition my whole live and consistently over the years, Vit. K1 was said to come from greens, Vit. K2 is produced in the gut by bowl bacteria a strain of which can be obtained to make Natto with soya beans. I have made Natto, I used marrowfat peas when I made it and it smells and tastes as if it has come from someone bowls. The bacterial spores used are very strong and I suspect living happily inside me to this day. The spores need activating to bring them to life and that is done by mixing them with the beans ( or peas ) while still boiling hot.
Eat greens and eat lots of different types of plants and feed those bowl bacteria and other organisms that live down there and take no notice of churnalism designed to make you buy cheese of eggs. The dairy and egg industry are always doing this stuff, eggs and dairy are some of the most unhealthy foods and cruelest to produce.
Janssen added: “We have [vitamin] K1 and K2. K1 is in spinach, broccoli, green vegetables, blueberries, all types of fruit and vegetables. K2 is better absorbed by the body. It is in Dutch cheese, I have to say, and French cheese as well.”
A Japanese delicacy of fermented soya beans called natto is particularly high in the second type of vitamin K and there may be cause for further studies into its health benefits, Janssen said.
That is, it puts fruit and vegetables in the first six sources mentioned. Then cheese is mentioned. And a whole paragraph about natto.
If it had been cheese propaganda, they could (and quite likely would) have de-emphasised natto and fruit and vegetables.
I haven't read the article but cheese is not a health food, its poison, congealed pus formed from the white blood cells in the milk, not fit for human consumption
The rest of the magazine looks full of interesting stuff too. thanks for the link. i'm just checking out their photo competition entries, as the view out my real window this morning is grey .
Edit: goodness gracious me , there are 504,000 entries, ,i may be some time.
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It's Healthunlocked Lock down in a Spanish or Portuguese language..try pressing the icon to edit or delete and you are put on another language page.. to get out I will have to swear profusely and call the administrators rude names ..but don't think this will do my non existent profile any good. Greetings to the hotel lockdown hope the luxury makes up for not being free. Thanks for making me laugh.
That's an understatement! What a wise Mama you have. Since increasing my Dutch cheese fetish for vitamin K have put on about four pounds in weight. I ignore all government warnings about fats, as research shows that dairy in butter, milk and cheese, contains special acids which disrupt enveloped viruses. Coconut oil helps too. Going have to cut down on the chocolate though!
Ha! My message language has converted to Spanish and Portuguese and am finding it difficult to reset. Will take your advice.
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