High blood pressure.

[Mishy12]

Hi everyone,

I suddenly experienced horrendous headaches and had really bad palpatations. sweating. After a week of this , i stopped taking my T3 thinking i was overmedicating. 12 days in palps became worse.

Went to see Gp and explained. My blood pressure was very high. She immediately put me on beta blockers. With a full bloods to be done the next morning. (Fri). Dr told me to stop Levo after blood test. No Levo sat & Sun. Dr wanted to see me again today with results.

Results show im overmedicated.

Tsh supressed

T4 within range

T3 3.6

She also said my B12 was too high.

On doing my blood pressure it has remained very high so she has upped the strength of beta blockers. This has really frightened me.

I cannot understand how T3 is to high as it should of all left my system.

The up side is my Dr has lowered T4 to 75 so I can add 6.25 T3

And she has greed to monitor my medication from now on.

I have a retest in 6 weeks.

I have been doing strict keto for 9 weeks and wonder if this would have had any effect on my hormones.

[Clutter]

Mishy12,

Just because TSH is suppressed doesn't mean you are overmedicated. If T4 and T3 are in range you are NOT overmedicated.

B12 will be high because you were supplementing but that won't have caused high BP.

[Mishy12 in reply to Clutter]

Thank you for your reply Clutter.

I have no idea what a normal T3 reading should be as I inly found out I was not converting through private blood tests in August so 3.6 is not overly high then?

I was thinking it could be my Hashi, maybe I have gone the other way. From under to over.

I have never had high BP, its a mystery to me and so sudden.

Hopefully it will settle down quickly.

Thanks again much appreciated.

[Clutter in reply to Mishy12]

Mishy12,

If you had your blood test via MediChecks or Blue Horizon then 3.6 is quite low in range.

A lot of doctors consider suppressed TSH = overmedication but as I said above...

Hashi flare can cause a hormone dump but FT4 and FT3 would be high if that happened.

I hope the BP settles down. It may not be related to thyroid.

[Mishy12 in reply to Clutter]

Thanks clutter, i did send a reply but in my haste forgot to press submit. Tut tut.

Marz informed me that you would not have been able to see my response.

Spent the night in A&E. Home now with stronger beta blockers and they think the cause is Menopuase.

Feeling a little calmer now.

Thanks again

[Clutter in reply to Mishy12]

Mishy12,

I had no idea menopause could affect BP. I hope the beta blockers help and BP comes down.

[Mishy12 in reply to Clutter]

Me neither Clutter.

We live N learn, another joy of being a woman.

Never had a problem in my life with BP. I was scared when it hit 204.

Just knowing you supportive people are there to ask questions is a Godsend.

Thanking you All.

[Mishy12]

Clutter,

I doo not think its to do with Thyroid personally. Do you think it could be something to do with doing Keto diet? Its the only thing that i can think of.

[Marz in reply to Mishy12]

I don't think anyone can answer about the Keto diet as everyone is so individual. If you revert back to your usual eating pattern and things improve then yes you could point the finger at the Keto way of eating.

Do you take magnesium ? There are many types so research carefully and choose one for hearts. When magnesium is low in the body the arteries stiffen and pump the blood through faster - simplistically put How are you doing with the VitD and B12 supplements ? - are you taking the co-factors ?

Clutter will not have seen your reply above as you need to click onto the Green Reply button beneath her post above !

Hope you soon feel better ....

[Mishy12 in reply to Marz]

Thank you Marz.

I was taken into hospital. Last night BP. Shot up to 204. Higher strength beta blockers. Turns out they think its Menopause.

I do take electrolytes & in my panic did not realise i had not pressed reply.

Thanks for advice N letting me know.

Feeling a little calmer now.

[Clutter in reply to Mishy12]

Mishy12,

I don't know what the keto diet is or how it might affect BP.

[Mary76mary76]

I went gluten free when on t4 200 per day.........I had a huge reaction blood pressure went sky high....I vastly reduced my levothyroxine then raised the amount and settled on 100 t4 per day. 3 years on...still on 100 t4 per day....I assume my reaction to gluten was effecting my absorption of t4 and other vits and mins a well. Horrible feeling, I wish you you the best.

[Mishy12 in reply to Mary76mary76]

My Dr thinks this might be the case with me too coupled with Menopause.

Lowering dose worked for you so hopefully my lower dose will sort this out for me.

Thanks for your reply it has helped.

[Hidden]

When I was taking NDT 3 grains per day my FT3 was one third over range but my blood pressure was fine. I don't know anything about over range B12.

[Mishy12 in reply to Hidden]

Thanks Bunnyjean.

Hospital seem to think its Menopuse.

The joys of womanhood.

At least I have an answer now.

[Angel_of_the_North]

Those results don't show that you are overmedicated as both free T4 and free T3 are in range (unless the range for free T3 is very unusual) - in fact in most UK ranges, the free T3 would be too low for good health. What were the ranges? I suspect that your GP does not understand how read blood tests for someone on T3 or probably for any thyroid problem (and is looking only at TSH)!

[Mishy12 in reply to Angel_of_the_North]

Hi A.O.T.N.

I am new to T3 started after medichecks 3months ago. showed I was not converting & was low on vits. I gathered all I need and asked Drs to help monitor me, response was no but I will send you to endo. (Heard nothing).

Been fine on 100 levo 12.5 T3 until two weeks ago. When blood pressure decided to go erratic. stopped T3 to see if it would calm down. It did not only got worse. 10 days later.

Back to GP in a scared state. Fair play to new Dr- All bloods done she will monitor me.

She thinks overmedicated cut my meds to 75levo 6.25 T3. Adding beta blovjers for BP. It wont settle down.

Dr did not give me results she just said Tsh supressed due to T3 which I would think had left my body after 12 days. T4 normal range N T3 3.6.

Dr did say my diet could be allowing more absortion from meds.

I am clueless with it all.

But hope having Dr overlooking now will help. Low meds for 6 weeks then a retest should give a better idea.

Just want my blood pressure to go down.

Thanks for responding. ☺

[Angel_of_the_North in reply to Mishy12]

Make sure you are getting plenty of potassium and magnesium in your diet (and enough fluid) and NO alcohol - try meditation with with pranayama (TM or Vedic is the easiest type to do). It's not necessarily related to the T3 and your free T3 is really much too low

[Mishy12 in reply to Angel_of_the_North]

Thank you for you support and very sound advice. ☺ Funny you shoul mention meditatiin as I am a Reiki master myself.

I have abandoned my self meditatiions for some time. Think its time i got back to it.

[LAHs]

This is purely anecdotal and may not apply to your situation but before I went on NDT (contains T3) I supplemented with pure T3 and found that while I felt great, my blood pressure (BP) had shot up. I think Marz had a good suggestion, check your Magnesium and Potassium - get both from foods preferably (Brazil nuts will give you Magnesium and I think it's bananas for Potassium (but check that one)). I found that eating beets together with celery in salad for lunch and hot spicy foods with lots of garlic accompanied by a glass of red wine brought my BP down. Sadly beta blockers (BBs) will complicate your thyroid medication but you must give the heart priority. Fix that problem first then get back to getting your thyroid meds back on track. When you have fixed the palpitation problem exercise can greatly help a BP problem, that is what I do now, I ride my bike a lot - which uses up my T3 and causes me to fall asleep pretty early in the evening. But that's OK, it's better than high BP.

With diet and exercise and losing a bit of weight if that is applicable you can get your BP down to a point where you can drop off the BBs which will simplify the complex problem of hitting the critical dose of your thyroid meds.

[Mishy12 in reply to LAHs]

Thanks for sharing your experience and ways to lower BP. Brilliant it worked for you. I am not happy to be taking BB's but as you say heart is priority.

I do eat pretty much the things you suggest. I do a dance class & kettlebells also 4 times a week.

It is a minefield. One thing after another.

I have stopped the B12 as Gp says I have too much in my body. I read this could cause high blood pressure.

I will take the BB's any more pills I will rattle for sure.

It has slowed a little today so fingers crossed.

[sue_b]

Hi Mishy12,

Speaking about meditation, I use a small biofeedback system ( app on a mobile) which enables me to monitor the impact of breathing patterns and thoughts and effectively helps me gain control and improve heart/brain 'coherence'. When you are in coherence you produce brain waves that are more organised and this is very beneficial for your autonomic nervous system. There is some suggestion that the ANS is capable of making big changes to how our bodies are functioning if we supply it with optimum conditions i.e. coherence. I have had the system for about 3 years now but have only recently begun using it seriously since I read more about its benefits. The research shows that it is better at balancing your body systems than simple meditation. The most important aspect of getting into coherence is breathing rhythmically, through the heart centre, while connecting with positive emotions. You can do this without monitoring yourself and know that it is improving coherence.

This link is to some of the research heartmath.com/science/

here is a sample, from one Reiki Master to another:

"In the new field of neurocardiology, for example, scientists have discovered that the heart possesses its own intrinsic nervous system—a network of nerves so functionally sophisticated as to earn the description of a “heart brain.” Containing over 40,000 neurons, this “little brain” gives the heart the ability to independently sense, process information, make decisions, and even to demonstrate a type of learning and memory. In essence, it appears that the heart is truly an intelligent system. Research has also revealed that the heart is a hormonal gland, manufacturing and secreting numerous hormones and neurotransmitters that profoundly affect brain and body function. Among the hormones the heart produces is oxytocin—well known as the “love” or “bonding hormone.”

Namaste _/\_

[Mishy12 in reply to sue_b]

Sue_B

Am intrigued by this and I will look it up. Sounds like something that could be very useful to everyone for a multitude of reasons.

Thank you so much for taking time to send me this post, very kind of you. i truely aporeciate it.

Could you disclose the App you use? As I would like to try it.

Namaste

[sue_b in reply to Mishy12]

I'll PM the details x