Adrenal treatment

[C70rol]

can anyone tell me if they have made a steady recovery from adrenal Fatique with any adrenal cortex other than Adrenavive.?

As I'm a very sensitive person and didn't get on with Adrenavive ! I felt very unwell on it and very nauseous! I'm now taking Thorne Adrenal Cortex as I was told this is the most gentle cortex. But would love to know if others got along steadily with anything else? Just want reassurance really ,as it's such a long, lousy road to travel ?

Thanks very much !!!!!!!

[MoAr]

I have used Dr Wison's Adrenal Rebuilder, you can buy it in the UK but it's pretty expensive now as it comes in from the US.

[mischa in reply to MoAr]

Hi MoAr

The Adrenal Rebuilder apparently has the hormones removed. It also contains extracts of cortex, pituitary and hypothalamus. How did you get on with it and how long were you on it? I am currently taking Adrenavive but am curious about the Adrenal Rebuilder.

[C70rol in reply to MoAr]

Thanks ,

How did you get on with it and is it expensive? Also was it comfortable . I'm quite sensitive to a lot of meds .

[MoAr in reply to C70rol]

Hi C70rol and mischa,

I was on it for over 18 months following the full Dr Wilson’s programme for severe adrenal fatigue. I started on very high dosages as per - adrenalfatigue.org/severe-a... and gradually tapered off. I was fine on it and slowly felt better and got my energy back but I’m not particularly sensitive to meds.

[Hidden]

I have managed to recover from adrenal fatigue.

I have never been able to tolerate any adrenal supplement containing adrenaline (which all adrenal extracts do). I do very well on adrenal cortex, however. I currently use the brand American Biologics which I like very much, but I have taken Nutri-Meds ACE in the past and liked that very much as well.

[C70rol in reply to Hidden]

Was there anything to choose between them. In other words which one would you recommend?

[Hidden in reply to C70rol]

I have been on American Biologics now for over a year, and if I had to pick one, that would be it.

[hoalarg]

Apart from adrenavive, I also use ashwagandha at night. This has allowed my adrenals to strengthen enough so I can raise my dose. If you haven't tried it I would seriously consider.

[C70rol in reply to hoalarg]

Thanks hoalarg , I do have Ashwaghanda, but in the afternoon. Do you really think it makes a difference to the adrenals if taken at night ?

[hoalarg in reply to C70rol]

It's possible. It's tough to go through it. I take a lot of adrenavive iii, three a day. Things are feeling a bit better for me but it's taken months.

[C70rol in reply to hoalarg]

May I ask how many months?

I think my adrenals were slowly going down for a few months and then in August started to have hypo symptoms and couldn't stand the high temps, but blood test said all o.k. So then had adrenals test, and that was conclusive. So I'm slowly trying to claw my way to health again. I think there's a little improvement, but there's such a long way to go !

[hoalarg in reply to C70rol]

I have been working at it since March with adrenavive but only a few months with ashwaganda. Before that took up to 12 ace thorne a day but became too expensive for me.

[C70rol in reply to hoalarg]

I'm sorry to contact again, but can I ask if taking the ashwghanda at night improved your sleep, as I find the sleep disturbance and lack of sleep doesn't help the low adrenal problem !!??

[hoalarg in reply to C70rol]

That's fine, ask away, glad to help. In fact it did help me. Was one of the main reasons for taking it at night.

[Valeriu in reply to C70rol]

HI; How did you test the Adrenals? I was told by my Naturopath to take Adrenavive and Ashwaghanda.....Is there a supplement that contains both of these in 1 bottle ? Where do you buy the Adrenavive from ? is it from : Procepts Retailers? Thanks Regards Elly

[C70rol in reply to Valeriu]

Hello Valeriu,

I had my adrenals tested by a saliva test done through a company called Regenerous. In fact I suggest you don't take any supplements until you've had your adrenals tested! Particularly as Ashwaghanda (which is an adaptogen), lowers cortisol, which it did in my case. If your cortisol is high then Ashwaghanda is fine.

According to Dr Lam (who is American and the best authority on the subject of adrenals),

Adaptogens should NEVER be taken if the cortisol is on the low side !!!!!

And you would take Adrenavive to RAISE your cortisol if it is low. But if you have not been tested how on earth does your naturopath know where your cortisol is?

Some of the symptoms of both high and low cortisol are similar. You need to know exactly where you are , so that you are going on the right route !

Adrenavive is purchased only from :- the Natural Health Choice, Logistics House, , Charles Ave, Burgess Hill, RH15 9TQ. Phone number :- 01444 318 822. And you will need guidance in starting this product ,ie, slowly and carefully. There are lots of people on HU who can guide you in that.

I am not on Adrenavive, but on Nutri Adrenal. Made by Nutri Advanced.

[Valeriu in reply to C70rol]

Thanks an awful lot for that ! ....I've started the BIH (Bio identical hormones) and felt exhausted / up till the time I applied the cream I was fine for first time in a month ! So Naturopath suggested that my adrenals need strenghtening (not surpisingly as for year I was runnning on Adrenaline only ; am now 57 yrs old) as that's the reason I've had that reaction....I've ME and we've Adrenal trouble, gut issues and many with thyroid issues too; Just started NDT on Sunday; Thanks a lot for telling me ; Perhaps do a saliva test which I was told isn't that accurate ? ....

I've had palpitations in the past and still do on & off...some anxiety & lots of stress....At moment seems I have low blood pressure & high pulse....Low energy, many headaches ; heavy / foggy head (better now) - not sure what the difference between sitting & standing will have to check;

Thanks again Kind regards Elly

[C70rol in reply to Valeriu]

Valeriu, I don't think you should be starting the hormone cream at this stage. I did the same as you, and also felt worse. I think you have to concentrate on your adrenals first. In fact I am now (email) friends with a couple of fellow HU (adrenal)ladies, who have also delayed introducing the cream, till they feel the stronger!

I would think that your ME is actually the adrenal fatigue !!! The 'gut issues', insomnia , headaches, alternating blood pressure, anxiety and thick heavy heads, palpitations, no stamina and poor energy and panicky at times, are all LOW cortisol (adrenals).

And of course the thyroid won't work very well if the adrenals aren't good. You can have good blood results, but that won't mean much, if the adrenals aren't functioning ! And I must say that most of us are quite happy with the saliva tests. It's an easy test to do (spitting saliva into a tiny test tube), at 4 different points in the day, freezing them and posting them off the next day!

Palpitations can often mean you need to reduce your thyroid/NDT meds a bit, as the body can't process what your putting in. As Dr Peatfield once said to me, "it's sloshing around in your system with nothing to do".

I know exactly what you're going through. It's a horrible illness and it takes quite a while to get better. It's also a lonely illness as no one understands what you're feeling and going through and you probably don't look ill ?

But I would really advice a saliva test, as at least you and your naturopath can see just where you are. When you get the results, you can also post them on the HU forum and ask for comments.

Take care, Di.

[Valeriu in reply to C70rol]

Thanks a lot Di; MY palpitations have sorted themselves out .....it must have been an infection; The NDT I've just started but so far so good (5th day today) I agree I need to do a cortisol test; Am pretty relaxed these days except the occasional stress with family ; Not panicky for many years now (had acute anxiety attackes over 20 yrs ago but fine now) and My sleep is better thanks to LDN (Low dose Naltrexone) . Blood pressure however is low (in the past it tended to be high) around 106 / 60 / 75; The BIH (spent over £200) I only tried one morning and didn't like it (didn't yet have the Progesterone cream at all) I'll look into the cortisol testing; And yes I look healthy and do feel better last few days but not OK still....ME is like an Octopus it's tentacles affect many systems.... Many thanks Take care Warm regards Elly

[Jeppy]

May I ask what adrenal symptoms you had?

[C70rol in reply to Jeppy]

Hi Jeppy, palpitations at night, very very low energy, heavy head everyday, headaches. Low and tearful at times. Some anxiety. Difference in BP from sitting to standing and probably a few more.

[Jeppy in reply to C70rol]

Thanks lots

Yes. I have the profile pretty much! It's the low low depth I can feel that is the unbearable

It's how to heal it is the next boggy

[Jeppy]

B I g g y!!'

I know nothing about it !

I had the four saliva test

First in range low

second high

third in range

fourth at night high!?

Any thoughts very welcomed sincerely

I get so low it's unbearable but blamed thyroid at five

J x

[C70rol in reply to Jeppy]

Hi Jeppy,

I too blamed thyroid at first and so delayed getting the adrenals test done .

i couldn't analyse your results as i don't have enough knowledge. But I think you should put up your own post and quote your results and ranges or even copy in the results sheet. I'm sure you'll get some help.!

I also am very low and I hate it. But that's all because the thyroid meds aren't doing their job, because of the weak adrenals .

I wish you all the best, take care of yourself. I think this is a lonely journey !

[Jeppy in reply to C70rol]

Thanks so much

I wrote you and list it!!

Yes it's lonely rd o wish I didn't have to put face on so much as wearing isn't it?

May I ask your tsh

Mine never do bad anyway anc t4 and t3 weren't dyer so think adrenal ( after long stresses) is way to go!!!

Don't know where to start I may buy nutri as good firm

Please keep on touch Any time you aren't alone

Il leg u l or if Hav success at all

Pxx

[C70rol in reply to Jeppy]

My thyroid figures were good so this is why I had to look at adrenals..TSH 0.05..

.t4 18.1(12-22).....t3 5.5(3.1-6.8). So my blood results were good, yet I had Hypo symptoms, this is why I got my adrenals tested. I used a company called Regenerous, why seemed the most reasonable and were very helpful and said they did a lot of thyroid UK members. After I got my results someone on HU commented on them for me though it was quite obvious where the problems were. Then I started on Thorne Adrenal Cortex ,as I knew it was good, gentle and not expensive.

[Jeppy in reply to C70rol]

Thanks for message

Are you feeling a bit t better / different?

So helpful

Do the thyroid section help with adrenals ( daft question) I must have been unlucky as didn't get replies il try again

Unsure what products to use - x

[Naomi8 in reply to Jeppy]

when you say low,are you saying you get really depressed?

[C70rol in reply to Naomi8]

Well yes, everything is low, ie the best way I can describe it is , you have very poor energy, depression, anxiety, poor sleep, headaches. In fact life generally feels like a massive effort and you can feel exhausted so easily , even socialising.

[Naomi8]

I am using ashwaghanda & rhodiola alongside NDT.Have just bought some Thorne's adrenal cortex & glad to hear its gentle & adrenalin -free.

I have very low energy & my joints are weak & painful.My anxiety & depression got so bad I have been using ADs for 6 months.Now in the process of weaning off & replacing with adaptogens,which didn't help when I was extremely anxious & depressed.

[C70rol in reply to Naomi8]

What's AD's ?

I have taken Ashwaghanda for a while and it suits me.

Since my thyroid has been down due to the adrenal Fatique I have also had some muscle and joint pain.

One new thing which I was recommended by Dr P was to take a licorice/ginseng tincture . ApparentLy the licorice helps regulate the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis, an intricate relationship between glands that help regulate hormones ! - So I'm going to give it a go.

[Naomi8]

ADs are anti depressants.I have been using a very low dose of one that appears to work well with T3.It has been a fantastic help.For instance,I am enjoying reading again for the first time since 2012.My ability to concentrate & enjoy reading again is miraculous for me.Now its time to move on to adaptogens.I am finding ashwagandha & rhodiola helpful & am looking into holy basil.I prefer Siberian ginseng.Asian ginseng makes me jittery.