GP appt to discuss blood test results

[alysonkerry-]

Well after several weeks & various blood tests I had appt with Gp. She confirmed my high Thyroid Periodxase antibodies which she informed me I showed positive for in 2014 but was never told about. When I said this obviously confirms I have hashimotos she said not necessarily there are many forms of thyroid disease which indicate high antibodies ???? I thought raised antibodies definitely confirmed hashis ?

When I mentioned my low end range B12/folate & the fact I thought they should be at the high end of range for hashis/hypothyroid suffers she said she had asked a top endocrinologist who writes the NICE guidelines for the NHS about this fact as another patient had mentioned it to her & the said endo had laughed in her face & said this was not the case ????

My Vitamin D was low & I was advised to supplement when I mentioned also taking K2-7 to ensure correct absorption of Vit D she said where did I hear that that she had never heard of this it isn't necessary and wouldn't advise it ???

As for selenium & magnesium supplementation & following a gluten free diet she said there have been many many studies undertaken & no conclusive evidence that they will reduce antibodies or help my condition ????

I know she is a GP & not a endo or specialist in this field but she is an experienced patient and understanding GP who I have always tjo gut very highly of and had confidence in I feel more unsure and confused than ever.

I have really appreciated all of the advice I have received from the forum members & have started supplementing & following a gluten free diet for which I definitely feel better for and of course I do just want to feel well but my GP's advice today really unsettled my thoughts and I just want to make sure I'm done my the right things for my health & well being.

I would very much appreciate anyone's thoughts on the above apologies for the long winded post

Huge thanks :))

[stiltzski]

It sounds like you are doing exactly the right things. It's hard but don't be put off by your GP & the arrogant endo. I also follow a gluten-free diet and supplement with vits B12 (sublingual) & D3 which I believe do help. Others will I am sure offer more informed/knowledgeable advice but it seems that many (?most) of us have to take our health into our own hands and you are doing just that. Are you on any thyroid meds yet? If so, let us know, and the blood test results would help too. Good luck!

[alysonkerry- in reply to stiltzski]

@stilzski thanku so much for your reply I agree with u totally think I just needed a bit of reassurance after all I'm not a doctor so I do look too them for advice grrrr!

I have been hypo & on Levo for 10 years and had various probs due no this time but thanks to the forum have only started finding out more & taking supplements & following a GF diet recently. My last thyroid bloods were Tsh 0.9 and T4 around 18 Tpo antibodies were144. I was unaware until yesterday that I have had high antibodies for the last few years.

I will continue listening to the members of the forum and continue doing what I'm doing which has definitely helped me feel much better thanku again

[spongecat]

Hi. Yes my GP was the same. He's a good enough soul on the whole but he had never heard of the benefit of taking D3 with K2-MK7 either. I wanted to discuss getting my rather sad D3 level into optimal rather than straggling in the upper level of insufficient. He offered me a 'script for 800iu (seems to be the standard NHS adult dose) which I wrinkled my nose at and proffered him a Vitamin D Council article that I was thinking more in the lines of 5000iu and I would buy a reputable make myself and let him know the results. There again he did say that they are not really taught this stuff in depth at medical school and that it can take years before something is accepted by the general medical profession, especially when some are prone to scoff at the functional medicine side of things.

I have just finished the 3 month course of 5000iu of D3 with MK7, waited a fortnight and then did a CityAssays test and I have gone from 42nmol/L to 105nmol/L so I'm delighted ....I'm now going to cut down to 1000iu for a bit and hopefully we will have some sunshine soon!

I'm sure many doctors are interested in developments but are held back by peer pressure and the involvement/pressure of pharmaceutical companies. Over the past few decades it seems that doctors are not allowed to be doctors anymore but must toe the party line, our litigious society has seen to that and "NICE guidelines".

It is quite clear that our bodies are being badly affected by lousy quality food grown in depleted soils for the mass market, pesticides and meat pumped full of growth hormones and antibiotics. No wonder we seek the best quality produce to try and stop the bombardment on our poor insides.

Hippocrates said "All disease starts in the gut". That fella lived in 460-370 BC and had a better idea! There are loads of great and inspirational quotes attributed to him and it's a shame that his famous Oath is rarely used in its original form. This is a modern form that is used in many medical schools today:

I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:...

I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.

I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures which are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.

I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.

I will not be ashamed to say "I know not," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.

I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. Above all, I must not play at God.

I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

I will prevent disease whenever I can but I will always look for a path to a cure for all diseases.

I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.

If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.

There are some doctors who might want to read and heed those words carefully.

[alysonkerry- in reply to spongecat]

spongecat you are so right and the oath makes interesting reading too thanks for taking the time to reply just voicing my concerns and knowing people are listening and taking the time to support you reassures me with confidence thanks again

[Blue2]

Just remember doctors are dangerous and just don't know as much these days. If you feel better with increasing your Vit B12/folate and Vit D then do so, as these ignorant quacks HATE patients knowing anything at all. Your body will tell you if you're doing it right, and recovering from low Vit D is a slow process.

[bluebug in reply to Blue2]

That's extreme.

There are medical doctors who have gone against orthodox medical practices and have been hounded out of the profession due to this. One of them is Dr Skinner and another is Dr Chandy.

There are other medical doctors who are currently speaking out about the attempts to give everyone statins and eat a low fat diet based on the theory that cholesterol causes heart disease - Dr Kendrick and Dr Malhotra.

While your own GP may not be willing to ago against current medical orthodoxy in fear of their career and there are other doctors including consultants who deliberately spread scare stories based on misinterpreting research, there are others with certain things who will turn a blind eye.

[Blue2 in reply to bluebug]

Extreme maybe, but after working 40 yrs as a NHS medical lab scientist, I (and those who agree) know what we're talking about. Of course there are excellent doctors, but they are a small minority. One GP boasted to me that she's only a GP because it's easy money! Do read the publication "Doctors Are Dangerous".