Having had thyroid problems in the past, I understand how tired and fatigued you become
if there is even a minor imbalance of your thyroid. Have recently listened to a video by
MD Gundy a former cardiac surgeon who now has diverted his attention to vitamins and substances which can affect your thyroid gland taken in every day food such as wheat
or soya. Certain foods contain lectins which are plant proteins which can affect your metabolism. They also affect the thyroid de energising the body. Dr Gundy recommends
removal of lectin from the diet, and the use of red fruit vitamins such as blueberries
blackberries, black currants and certain cherries which have substances which can
unlock your energy. He says they help you lose weight, and increase your metabolism. he also recommends green tea which has the same substances as the red vitamins He sells his products on his website. As his supplements cost a fortune, I am looking
for products or supplements, or natural fruit, and green tea to try and increase
energy levels. He also recommends vitamin b supplements. As a wheataholic
turning to rye crsipbread to cut down on the lectin, I now discover that vegetables such
as potatoes an aubergines have lectin in them, so having thought I could conquer lethargy
by eating my five a day, I now think I am going to take heed of Dr Gundy' s vitamin and
supplements for thyroid diabetes and arthritis. Perhaps administrators know of the
benefits of red vitamins and the negatives for lectin slowing down the thyroid.
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I thought all gluten foods (wheat, rye, barley, oats... unless gone under the gluten free process) as well as dairy, sugar and carbs are forbidden for thyroid disorders. This is what I've been told by a nutritional therapist that specializes in thyroid disease and other autoimmune disorders. Apparently, a lot of thyroid sufferes also have yeast overgrowth which can add additional symptoms but also have identical ones to hypothyroidism and so this needs to be addressed rather than thinking it is always thyroid imbalances. If this is the case, they recommend the candida diet which includes cutting out all of the above as well all foods with yeast in and zero sugar and fermented foods/ drinks. Basically, cutting out practically everything, which is pretty hard to do long term. Since considering these could be my issues, I have researched all foods both normal and gluten free and nearly everyone has sugar and yeast extract in. Extremely disappointing when trying to find tasty food with variety. The mind boggles why they have to add this stuff to the most unlikely foods. I love world cuisine and the odd croissant so this is all pretty depressing for me.
i basically have to stay on a candida diet as not to continually gain weight. I must have had to do this diet every year for 20 years now after eating over Christmas holidays. I find Indian cuisine is the most healthy as no additives and no sugar. I don't eat the chappatis's though - can contain yeast.
Wow, you must have the will power of a saint to continue for 20 years. I think I can do it intermittently but not continuely over a life time. There's just too many food groups to cut out in one go. I love stoneground homemade wholemeal bread made without sugar... that's out! Ive yet to find a gluten free bread without sugar and yeast and everyone I've tried in all known shops tastes revolting to me and gives me raging heartburn which I don't normally suffer from. Saying that, I get heartburn from all the gluten free products I've tried. I'm not totally convinced gluten free is best for everyone if eaten with caution and the most healthiest options possible. I think yeast, soya and processed sugar ( not counting honey and maple surup) are the culprits. Humans have been eating flour baked goods and honey, tree syrups since the beginning of time without thyroid issues and candida. It's all about over processed foods with non essential rubbish put in which has caused all these diseases I believe. No food is totally healthy these days. There is an excellent book (author forgotten, read many moons ago) titled, 'None of These Diseases' is all about the colleration of many diseases with decades of unhealthy food manufacturing and processing which affects family generations even in the so called healthy foods we buy. The world's food industry needs to reverse it's take on food from the farming processes right to the table... SORRY, got carried away on my soap box there!
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Thanks for advice about gluten - and over processed food - As I'm diabetic which may occur later with thyroid problems, I have to watch starchy foods
however in my less saintly moments, I have a bread maker think it's
a morphy Richards - tried a cheap model but the bread stuck to the paddle
giving endless amusement to my other half, with broken bread with a
giant hole in the middle, which was then recycled into a delicious bread
pudding. How I love the stuffing in chicken which I make from egg breadcrumbs, herbs, vegetable suet, & lemon juice..
You may find gluten free flour online/health food shops - I assure you if you try a breadmaker you can leave it on and go out for a couple of hours
to find your loaf ready for tea! If you use selfraising flour instead of yeast
or add the baking powder to the gluten free flour, you can get good
results. I agree with you totally that moderation in all things is the right
Well I buy it from Tescos now Gadgrantg (it has a tiny amountof sugar in but i can live with that in return for a sandwich lol) but i can dig the recipe out for you. I eat mainly fresh produce - a bit like the stoneage diet. I can get away with things containing low sugar but if you are a diabetic i am not sure if you have to completely avoid it completely
Nothing processed; fish,meat,fruit /veg, and home made soups using yeast free stock powder powder, also dairy products and a sugar free cereal like Shredded wheat. For snacks i have rice cakes/oatcakes with humous and fresh nuts. I have lots of short cuts though so I dont end up depriving myself completely. The hardest thing for me is no wine or chocolate.
It can be difficult to sustain and a bit disheartening when you dont see even a 1lb a week coming off in weight, but after 3 months half a stone comes off in one go. I then relax the diet a bit once I've lost some weigh as completely impractical and torture to stay on that type of regime long term. The weight doesnt return unless I eat a ton of sweet things at Christmas and then of course I'm back on the diet in the new year.
I have no choice Twinmommy - its the only thing that works for me or I would be probably be 20st by now. lol. I have aabsolutely no patience with overweight folk who do not have health issues, that cant stick to diets when people like us on here have the metabolism of a Sloth.
My work colleagues dont believe me when I tell them i've been on this diet since NYE and not lost a !lb... The thought of my uniform not fitting me in the summer keeps me going lol.. I am so glad I've found this site recently - I thought i was oddly unique.
Thanks for mention of avoidance of yeast. Helpful.
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Yep agree with you - I add canderel on puddings, but still find it hard to cut out sponges and breads biscuits. Can't even have a bread and water diet. May be you should try blackcurrants blackberries and blue berries to supplement your polyphenols which help your metabolism. Have been on them for a couple of days. May be its psychological but feel a little better.
The 5 a day was based on an American marketing myth. Ideally you want to eat as much veg as you can while making sure you have sufficient meat including poultry, fish, pulses and eggs.
In regards to avoiding refined carbs, dairy and food with sugar in it you should aim to avoid processed foods regardless of your diet. If you aren't lactose intolerant then you can eat some dairy products preferably butter and fermented ones like yoghurt and kefir.
Some doctors and nutritionists say to avoid lectin rich foods which include poultry, fresh potatoes and all dairy. Advice can be be conflicting, some things in moderation with care must be OK (??).
Avoiding processed foods is also a restrictive diet.
If you make your diet too restrictive you will find that you either give up or end up getting miserable due to lack of variation.
I would give up one e.g. gluten see how you cope for 2-3 months and see if it makes a difference. Then add giving up processed foods for 2-3 months see how you cope before giving up on anything else.
Remember you are being sold a diet you have to do everyday for the rest of your life including special occasions and when you catch another illness e.g. a cold.
I am not gluten intolerant, but find wheat products can irritate intestines.
I don't buy many processed foods, as I like preparing my own. I eat on
the principle if fresh food goes off it's living. The more chemicals to keep
the food fresh, might not be good for you - eg sulphate in meat and in
bottled water. Thank you for your helpful information. Cheers.
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Didn't know about chicken but chicken soup made from the carcases and bones
stock with vegetables is meant to be like an antibiotic.
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Have read your replies re poultry but am replying to your comments re unavailability of gluten free bread an cakes. Tescos do a range of bread cakes and pies which are gluten free . They have several makes of bread which you might have tried. There is a good bread advertised by the daily telegraph
on line called genius. It looks good and has good reviews.
Shopping online with Tescos is ok and if you do a bulk delivery the delivery price
is less. If you have any time for making your own bread there are gluten free
recipes online. As for info on polyphenols which can aid digestion and help keep
you slim then Wikipaedia is a valuable source of information - they have tables
of food high in both polyphenols which help your energy -
in strawberries, apples, both green or red, plums red currants and other sand antioxidants. such as vitamin C - I take redoxon dispersible 1000mg every other
day, B17 which is found in apple pips, can help immune system, but other
larger kernels sold such as apricot. contain cyanide so are not advised to be eaten if over one kernel. As The B17 is a rare vitamin I am going to try mashing
up an apple pip a day to try and include it in the diet. It also helps energy and
could help for cancer prevention. A firm in America is selling a combination of
anti oxidants in vitaplus - however as the capsule contain many ingredients
which I am allergic too, I won't buy them. Hope you have some luck finding
Thank you blue bug. I have followed this advice but increase of sugar added to tin,
frozen food, including peas and drinks I have found confusing. As a diabetic I scan
labels for ingredients. Some soft drinks such as tonic may say they are sugar free
but contain sweeteners which metabolise into glucose in liver. The squashes which say they have no added sugar, contain natural sugars in the concentrate, My blood tests go up if I drink squashes, tonics, from supermarket brands non alcohol beer
I screen out parsnips, potatoes, peas, root vegetables, as they have a high sugar
content. - Instead I have broccoli, french and runner beans, cabbage, savoy and
dutch cabbage. However I still have onion and carrots in casseroles. Cooked carrots
are meant to lower your blood sugar if cooked. As for dairy, I eat it but have had to cut
down on cheese, having 1 oz per day rather than a quarter of a pound! I like greek
style fat free yoghurt, as I have been warned that too much dairy converts from lactase
to glycogen in the liver - back to square 1. Any tips will be appreciated.
Food I find can be difficult. I had a good intolerance test a few years ago now and used a following cruise to put ideas in to practice. I didn't have to shop or cook the food so could pick and choose the foods my body seemed to be ok on. I choose the outings I wanted to go on and my don kept saying was I up to it! Of course I was, I'd done a similar cruise before (42 years earlier) but later years one new hip and another needed, over weight, not too much energy butvs roll to prove I could do it and I did! The next 6 months I gekrptvup my eating plan and lost half a stone without trying and better still found a waist! Part of the test included vitamins and some I was already taking were low so I increased come and added a few to the many already on my list I mudtcbe the only person on that cruise that list weight but I ate well but the big diet change was increased dairy!
I judged the test to be accurate as I would t tell him my medication or the fact I'd been told I have an allergy to brassicas but the brassicas flagged up and other things I didnt react to well so listening to your body is important I once had a real craving for two kinds of food, one was chocolate, can't remember the other but both came up as needing magnesium
The cruises sound fantastic - clever idea to put your intolerance diet to the test.
Your restraint was admirable - we went on a cruise putting on a stone in weight
so on our return from N.Y we could not walk hand in hand through the cabin door
as we got stuck! Have found info on red vits from MD Gundry - get his name mixed up with Gandhi! Have been looking on line for substitutes for the fruit he says stimulate
metabolism and stop bowel bloat. Have been on blackcurrants, and blackberries
and have added a frozen damson plum which is said to stop breast cancer in its
early stages. Have fun and thanks for the newsy info. silverfox
I think there is truth is the red berries fruits theory. I have a small bowl of red fruits a day and find my body craves them now. I am insulin resistant at the mo and pretty much have to avoid a lot of carbs anyhow unless its slow release/wholegrain in a very small amount and accompanied by or with protein. Potato's are also one thing that do increase my levels. It sounds very similar to a diet suitable for insulin resistance.
Being Insulin resistant must be difficult. I know there are injectables which are non insulin based
which have been offered, instead of insulin. However I have declined them.
Have just been on Gundrymd.com blog site and found interesting comments on leaky/gut.
The autoimmune centre is not only located in the thyroid and pancreas but in the intestines.
He says food allergens can cause havoc and recommends cutting out sugar and dairy. He says
ginger turmeric wild caught fish -ha! ha! steamed broccoli can help with the immune system in
your gut. He also recommends if you have low antibodies vegetables which help the immune
system such as spinach kale broccoli and dark leaved vegetables Brussel sprouts. The proteins help your immune system - he says you can get as much protein from kale as in a chicken leg!
He has a video explaining about how you can improve your immune system using the high
polyphenols in black fruits and cherries which he has selected for his products. However if
you go on wikipaedia they can give info on fruit and vegetables containing polyphenols
and antioxidant which can help - also sources of vitamin B!7.
Hope this site will be of interest. Gadgrantg.
Rooibus tea made from camellia sinesis - a green tea with antioxidants can gee up your metabolism.
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Ive yet to find a gluten free bread without sugar and yeast and everyone I've tried in all known shops tastes revolting to me and gives me raging heartburn which I don't normally suffer from. Saying that, I get heartburn from all the gluten free products I've tried. I'm not totally convinced gluten free is best for everyone if eaten with caution and the most healthiest options possible. I think yeast, soya and processed sugar ( not counting honey and maple surup) are the culprits. Humans have been eating flour baked goods and honey, tree syrups since the beginning of time without thyroid issues and candida. It's all about over processed foods with non essential rubbish put in which has caused all these diseases I believe. No food is totally healthy these days. There is an excellent book (author forgotten, read many moons ago) titled, 'None of These Diseases' is all about the colleration of many diseases with decades of unhealthy food manufacturing and processing which affects family generations even in the so called healthy foods we buy. The world's food industry needs to reverse it's take on food from the farming processes right to the table... SORRY, got carried away on my soap box there! 
what vitamins to take with hashimotos please? 
Multi vitamins - at last some recognition 
an article my SW consultant sent me
Vitamins & Thyroxine
Vitamins
