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Severe back pain - adrenal fatigue - low iron...... The connections as I have experienced them, it may help others.

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I have not posted in a long while- even internet connection has been a big problem...

I am writing this in the hope it may make interesting reading for others with difficult thyroid meds absorption complicated by severe adrenal fatigue.

Much has happened to me in the last 18 months - 2 years.

Adrenal fatigue continues to be the knotty issue and I am sure it still lurks behind the scenes and lies at the centre of all my difficulties.

However, if I may make the analogy of a car, if you don't put fuel in, be it gas/petrol or diesel, then you will get nowhere fast! Likewise what we eat means everything.

Having a leaky gut is a serious issue to contend with. Needing to be gluten free is uppermost, however, in all honesty it does put a crimp in your life as so much more thought needs to go in to what it is that we can allow ourselves to eat and eating out does become a nightmare, regardless of what people may think.

If we can depart from the premise that when having a leaky gut we can assume that our digestion and therefore our nutrient absorption is going to be compromised in one way or another, the ultimate result is that we do not benefit from the food we eat as we were designed to do so. Hence my analogy with a car... we just don't run! Eventually our subtle decline when we have endocrine/thyroid issues, which is often so inter-connected with so many other super subtle symptoms & functions that our doctors miss it completely, means we eventually risk grinding to a complete halt, unable to perform the most basic daily tasks- like bending down to tie our own boot laces because the back pain gets to be so bad it almost makes you pass out!

At this point, if you go to see a Doctor, you will get that blank look of 'oh dear what do I do now?.. Lets give you some painkillers shall we... and.....lets get you to see a physio'. HHHmmmmmm, I no longer bother!!

Having experimented with both increasing and reducing my levels of adrenal support, together with listening to my body and doing the same with my thyroid meds I have made several observations of value:

My chronic lower back pain, focused around the kidney area where the adrenal glands sit, including a curved pain that hooks around from the right kidney, over the hip into the front, just beneath the waist, and even up to the lower ribs always on the right...decreases considerably when I am at the right level for me of adrenal support.

If I cut down even the smallest amount- the pain comes back with a vengeance.

LIkewise, if the pain in my neck/throat is bad- a slight increase in the thyroid support eliminates that. If I try to reduce it the pain comes straight back..

So far so good...

However, when I hear "Oh well you must try and decrease the stress in your life".

This is a no-brainer. Stress however, for me is categorised in many different shades.

There is the stress you can do something about- that is the easy one. Pointlessly stupid arguments with a partner or people who just do not understand- I simply walk away from them.

The other stresses, economic necessity etc, things that I cannot control, I just have to live with to the best of my ability, trusting in divine intervention! Abandoning everything and everybody around me would solve nothing at all. There, that is the mythical monster Stress dealt with...so what else is left when you are struggling with your health, your morale and so many other things that whoever reads this will already know all too well so I will not bother to mention?

As foggy as it may be... we are left with a thinking brain.

Various incidents in my personal/family life have raised my 'out of my control' stress levels to dizzying heights this year. On my elevated dose of meds, both thyroid and adrenal I have begun to go downhill again. My back has become so bad that a mere cough or a sneeze makes me feels as though my spine will snap with the pain! It makes me scream and cuts my breath away. Looking at my level of meds I feel pretty much at the limit, so my brain has told me to 'think it out'.

There are extremely knowledgeable people behind the scenes on this site who have so deep an understanding of this 'creeping disease' that they would put many a professional to shame. I bow to them in reverence. However, I cannot follow everything like they can as closely as I would like, so I need to rely upon my logic instead. If I am honest I cannot always remember and the key word here is 'remember', the different significance between the ferrous, the fumerates, the ferretins...and the fumeroles! So instead I use logic to construct pictures in my mind of how and why things work, or don't as the case may be.

As I understand it, if one had to describe the function of the thyroid with just one sentence one could say it was responsible for making sure oxygen reaches every single cell in the body...that is an awful lot of cells! Oxygen gives us life, therefore oxygen is energy. When we breathe we oxygenate our bodies. This is our fuel.

The blood carries the oxygen around our bodies. The haemoglobin content of our blood relies upon Iron its wonders to perform! Iron also has other more complex roles to fulfil, hand-in-hand with thyroid function to give us the endocrine balance we all desperately need....so feeling my general condition was going down hill, despite my GP saying my recent blood tests showed no deficiency in iron... I resumed taking my liquid iron solution, only yesterday. Just 10ml to begin with.

For the last week I have been needing to sleep 12 hours once again minimum- though still feeling exhausted when I rise. My feet have become so painful I can hardly walk on them. My back, not good normally has become crippling (and I do not use that term lightly!) Unable to even turn in an orthopaedic bed for pain that wakes me. Unable to pick up anything off the floor, put my socks on, do my boot laces up...nothing, zip!

I only took the iron yesterday.

Today, I woke normally. I had less 'clock hours' of sleep time yet feel more energetic and refreshed. I could move in bed, turning without too much discomfort! I would classify my improvement of mobility to the tune of an incredulous 65-70%! When I stepped out of bed, my feet were far, far less painful!! As I got out of bed I did not feel as though I would fall over!! I could walk to the bathroom with such little pain I was quite shocked. I am still shocked.

My logical conclusion is, that IF we do not have all the other elements required (due to impaired gut absorption due to leaky gut) to balance out this complex equation that is the thyroid, that we don't get all the necessary vitamins, minerals, trace elements etc... (that we would normally be able to get from a healthy diet- a non processed, non adulterated diet that is). EVEN if we are taking all the correct thryoid/adrenal medications, the chances are they will only partially work for us, if at all!!

And of course what our GP Doctors say are 'adequate levels' as shown on our official blood tests are indeed more than likely standards that do not apply to those of us with this complex issue that is the thyroid. We need to think it out and listen to our bodies.

Another thing that the GP's and Dr's forget, or do not even know, is that when you take Iron you need to take it in conjunction with Vitamin C... And most importantly, the Iron needs to be taken a minimum of 4 hours AFTER having taken thyroid meds.

Apologies for a lengthy post. I hope my observations and findings will benefit others on this marvellous site across the globe.

Best Wishes,

Popsy ;0)

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Popsy,

Mind visualisations are GOOD as Devine intervention isn't always reliable.

Illness is stressful enough, without the further illness caused by the further STRESS ! ! ...

Doctors treat us per symptom .... NOT a good picture of wholeness, as all the other elements required... are REQUIRED ! ! ..

What our Doctors say are " adequate levels " AREN"T, so we remind ourselves to check Vit B12, Vit D, folate and the spoken of "iron" (ferritin).

When our minds travels in circles, creative LOGIC can BE the only answer.

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Poppy_the_cat in reply toradd

Dear Radd,

You speak great truths indeed.

I confess my interpretation of Divine Intervention assumes automatically that positive visualisation needs to accompany it, hand in hand! One really can influence events to one's own will. I have experienced that on more than one occasion... However, like you also say the stress that accompanies illness itself is so corrosive and demoralising it becomes an issue in itself. We are indeed challenged on all fronts by this 'creeping disease'.

Sharing information, experience and wisdom with others such as yourself on this wonderful site is a huge bonus and a life saver.

Many thanks.

;0)

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Poppy_the_cat in reply toradd

Dear Radd, what is the symbol on your logo/tag?

It almost looks Persian? Have I seen it in a beautiful illustration by the famous Edmund Dulac in a book of the Rubaiyat by Omar Khayyam??

Popsy ;0)

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Popsy,

Yes, Edmund Dulac had a wonderful mind and hand.

My symbol is the sanskrit Om. An icon, mantra, prayer, meditation ( always 3 curves & a dot separated by a semi circle) within our sun's glow of wondrous golden energy (giver of all life).

It is related to several beliefs (& probably more...) ..: The three worlds (earth, heaven & atmosphere), the three major Hindu gods (Brahma, Vishnu, Siva), the three sacred Vedic scriptures (Rg, Yajur, Sama), the three states of an individual's consciousness depicted by the curves.

Curve 1 - the waking state consciousness, turned outwards through the gates of the senses, curve 2 - deep sleep (unconscious state), curve 3 - conscious sleep (dreaming).

The dot signifies the coming to rest of all peaceful, relative existence (the ultimate aim of all spiritual activity)... haha ...probably a bit deep for a thyroid forum but hey ...... Yoga (which I have always practiced) embodies this sign thought as the essence of the entire universe, the first & last sound as the universe arose from it and it continues to hold everything together, allowing us to hear//see better.

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"A Book of Verses underneath the Bough,

A Jug of Wine, a Loaf of Bread—and Thou

Beside me singing in the Wilderness—

Oh, Wilderness were Paradise enow!"

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mel35

Wow your symptoms seem so similar to me I found myself nodding in agreement with what you wrote, very interested with your sore feet as this is a new thing to me and I walk first thing in a morning like an old lady (I'm 40) the pain is horrendous. I have just started on vit d meds from Drs and thought this was due to low vit d, do you think it's from the iron (that was low 2) but dr said its still in range so won't treat it? Are you gluten free ? I'm hopefully going to start this soon I'm just collecting knowledge first so I get it right when I switch to gluten free. Thanks for sharing x

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Poppy_the_cat in reply tomel35

Hello Mel,

Its all so inter-related, that I would guess you are possibly on the low side with the Vit D too,.... I am guessing I am too. Unfortunately the normal levels that GP's compare us to are usually inadequate, as we seem to need more than non-thyroid folk.. so I think our chances of low are pretty certain.

Yes I am gluten intolerant and follow a gluten free existence as closely as I possibly can, as the consequences of not doing so knock me right out for weeks!

Try and explain to your GP 'that a friend who has Hashimotos has deceptively normal levels of iron too, but needs supplementing with extra as she feels so much better when she does'...and could you try the same, to see if it helps you?? One has to be so diplomatic with Drs - they need to think it was their idea in the first place! Good luck.

;0) x

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radd in reply toPoppy_the_cat

Popsy,

Yesssss..... not only do we have to nurture our own

poor bruised bodies but also that dull minded, greedy

soul holding the prescription note pad ! ! .. (I almost

feel sorry for him, unhappy for never being unhappy

- I said almost .... ;o))) .. )

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Fr23

Poppy-the-cat.Thanks for the thoughtful and truthful post.For a moment I thought you were talking about me! My ferritin has decreased from blood tests February to Apri despite taking supplements.Maybe this is why I am experiencing muscle,thigh and lower back pain.I have just started working with a functional naturopath on my terrible digestive issues as this is linked too.Please can you recommend a good iron supplement.Thank you.

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Poppy_the_cat

Hi there,

Well I just have to look at the iron tablets and I get constipated! For me they are useless.

So my GP prescribed SYTRON liquid iron.

Its ok, I find having the mandatory VitC already dissolved and fizzed out in a glass near to hand ideal as i wash it all down simultaneously. The GP will not tell you that unless you take it combined with the all important old VitC, you don't absorb the Iron! Again its all up to us to do the leg work.

I find I take 3 days on the trot...and then have a 3 day rest...and then resume; it helps with the constipation.

Good luck. I find from one day to the next the difference is almost miraculous! Have a try.

Best Rgds

Popps ;0)

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