I've been taking ndt for a year and I'm starting to feel like a real person again. Though my life has improved greatly I still haven't been able to lose the weight caused by my under active thyroid. I cannot spend any more on doctors. Please message with informaton on a reliable place to purchase. I've seen many advertisements online but I haven't had any experience with these companies and I don't want to be scammed. Any information is appreciated.
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Mimio,
Welcome to our forum.
Weight gain or the inability to lose weight is a classic symptom of hypothyroidism. It is great you are feeling better on NDT but you still sound under medicated as the goal of thyroid hormone replacement is to restore the patient to euthyroid status, so increasing the metabolism to a level that encourages a natural weight.
Insufficient thyroid hormone can cause hypoglycemia (or too little sugar in the blood) and insulin resistance (or too much sugar in the blood). Repeated cortisol release caused by low blood sugar can suppress pituitary function and inhibit conversion of T4-T3.
Thyroid issues often cause vitamin deficiencies which can impair the workings of thyroid meds. It is important to have optimal levels of Vit B12, vit D, folate and ferritin. I have never used diet pills and consider it better to get thyroid meds working properly and keep blood sugar balanced by eating small meals with low GI carbs, fats and protein.
Another member called greygoose has just posted an article on the dangers of diet pills when suffering hypothyroidism.
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Thyroid & Blood Sugar Issues.
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I've cut out red meat, dairy and alcohol (mostly!) Allowing myself fat free cottage cheese and alpro yogurts. Benecol instead of butter and I've lost a stone.Eat loads of stir fries with veg, loads of mushrooms as hardly any calories. Keep up good fats like avocado etc but cut out bad fat.
Hope this helps. Trouble with diet pills is that when you stop them the weight will come back on. Also not good long term.
Been battling with weight for the last few years. The final straw with all the other crap we have to deal with!
Katepots, Benecol? Really? What a dreadful thing to do to yourself! Have you seen the ingredients?
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Butter is a super food, it's really good fat. Why cut it out? Benecol is highly processed, with highly processed oil. Rapeseed oil, which isn't good. If you eat avocados, I can't see the logic in cutting out butter. Nor fat-free cottage cheese - cottage cheese doesn't contain much fat anyway, why put it through the processes of making it fat-free, and adding god know what to make it taste of something? Dairy fat is the good fat, not the bad fat. Processing is bad.
Couldn't agree more Greygoose!
My cholesterol has rocketed so changed diet and its seemed to have worked really weight and waiting on results of cholesterol.
I'll give you benecol although it was the olive one!
Butter bad for cholesterol.
I don't eat processed, pretty much all home made or home grown.
Cottage cheese helps me feel like I'm not cutting off cheese altogether as I love it. So helps mentally!
Better off without dairy, less stomach aches and I'm losing weight so sticking with it.
Yes, but you're missing the point. If you use Benecol and fat-free cottage cheese, you are eating processed food. How do you think the cottage cheese becomes fat-free, and the olive oil spreadable. By all means cut out dairy, but don't replace it with something ten times worse.
Your cholesterol probably rocketed because of your hypothyroidism, and is coming down because you're being treated. It has little to do with what you eat. Cholesterol is made in the liver. If you eat nutritional cholesterol, the liver will just make less to compensate - eat high levels of cholesterol and the liver will make even less. And the reason your liver makes cholesterol is because your body needs it. But, with low T3, the body cannot process it as well. The answer is to raise your T3, not eat dodgy so-called cholesterol lowering food stuff.
Butter is absolutely not bad for cholesterol. Besides, those with the highest level of cholesterol live longest. It does not cause heart attacks and strokes. Low cholesterol causes heart attacks and strokes. So, if you want to eat cottage cheese, eat full fat cottage cheese. It's much better for your health.
Hi Kate, listen to GreyGoose. I never realized that our adrenal glands NEED cholesterol so they can produce the steroids, the sex hormones and cortisol. Dr. Mercola has this whole article on his website.
What Are the Real Risk Factors for Heart Disease?
By failing to differentiate between trans fats and saturated fats, massive confusion has arisen. There’s also confusion about the relationship between saturated fat and cholesterol. Adding to the complexity, there are also different types of saturated fats, which may have different biological effects.
Many saturated fats will raise LDL, the so-called “bad” cholesterol. But LDLs come in various sizes. Large type A particles are less atherogenic and are influenced by saturated fat. Saturated fat also increases HDL, the “good” cholesterol.
“What’s interesting is the saturated fat, even though it may raise LDL, your lipid profile may actually improve [when you eat more saturated fat], especially when you cut the carbs. On top of that, LDL has been grossly exaggerated as a risk factor for heart disease, with the exception of people who have a genetic abnormality (familial hypercholesterolemia),” Malhotra says.
“Certainly when you get over the age of 60, the cardiovascular association between LDL cholesterol and cardiovascular mortality diminishes. It becomes almost negligible. For overall mortality, there is an inverse association with LDL. The higher your LDL, if you’re over 60, the less likely you are to die.
So what is the major issue when you look at heart disease and heart attacks? Insulin resistance ... The reason it’s being neglected is partly this flawed science on cholesterol.
Thanks, I do have fats just good ones. Obvs will give the Benecol a miss! I understand about cholesterol but my bad cholesterol is very high from being low three years ago so I really do need to do something about it. Plus the weight loss is fab after battling for years!
I'll do some more research but have a pretty balanced diet of healthy things as I grow lots of it.
Thanks for info.
Kate, Please don't take any statin drugs if the doctor tries to prescribe it. Cholesterol is also a cancer protector.
It may be hard for you to believe but drug companies have a way of manipulating research so they can develop drugs to counteract mythical dysfunctions of the human body. When the body seems to be doing something wrong, it is probably reacting wisely to a deficiency or injury and possibly genetic mutations. I guarantee it is not due to a deficiency of some pharmaceutical.
Keep learning!
Katepots, there is no such thing as 'good' and 'bad' cholesterol.
When they do a blood test, they are not measuring the cholesterol itself, they are measuring the protein carrier for cholesterol. There are two different proteins, they both have different jobs. Neither of them are 'bad'.
The concept of 'good' and 'bad' cholesterol was dreamed up by Big Pharma as a marketing ploy. It has not significance in real life. 
For weight loss I'd tried everything having under active thyroid, m.e fibro, but now Iv found the one that works, Google ketogenetic it's fabulous you have to try, basically going cave man xxx sugar is the evil in all our foods xx
Dr. Atkins promoted this diet and was so vilified it was outrageous. After an unfortunate fall caused his death now the world is acknowledging his theories. You don't want to be in a ketogenic state forever of course and I think that was the criticism. Dr. Ornish who created the very low fat diet was critical but we see that low fat tends to turn into a high sugar diet. I lost ten pounds on the Atkins Diet.
I'd also like to find out about this. I have no idea what is wrong with me, doctors have done loads of tests and bloods have come back abnormal yet they think it's acceptable to not treat the results seriously and I still am feeling like crap.
I have been doing protein world for around a month now eating well and having the odd treat, nothing has changed.
I know someone who reccommended phentermine as she has tried so many things and she lost 7lbs in 5 days on it. Now I don't know her health status so I couldn't say whether it would be suitable for someone with thyroid problems although since reading up on it, it doesn't mention it as being a danger when taking it. It's not supposed to be used long term as the affects wear off, so I'd say take it up to a max of 8-12 weeks have a break then resume if you are not getting the results.
Where I live there is a clinic called NSC and you are monitored by a dr each week and they prescribe you it as long as your bmi is over and your health status is suitable. That starts at £21 a week.
I hope you find someone who could possibly get it online, I'd love to hear from someone who has brought it from a well sourced and reliable pharmacy as I would also like to try it.
Take it easy
Victoria x
Tbh I'd stay away from medications, just cut all sugar all white carbs and me amazed with the results, we are tricked into thinking fat is no good for us when in fact it's sugar and carbs, the more you eat the more you will want to eat, it's more addictive than cocaine and heroin, it's sugar that causes fat and illness and our illnesses all feed off sugar, good luck xx
Mimio, the trouble with an appetite depressant - apart from it being a drug with unknown side-effects - is that you will be cutting out necessary nutrients, you will become deficient - both in nutrients and calories! - and this will have an adverse effect on your endocrine system - and very likely make you put on more weight, rather than losing it.
When you are hypo, your weight-gain has nothing to do with what you eat - do you really, really feel you over-eat to the point of needing an appetite depressant? Or do you just think you need to starve yourself to lose weight? Well, you're wrong on both counts, I'm pretty certain of that.
Hypo weight-gain - and difficulty losing it - is caused by low T3. Nothing to do with calories. And the solution is to raise your T3 level. The problem for all of us is that doctors refuse to give enough thyroid hormone to make us well, refuse to do the right tests to see if we are taking enough, and just tell us to eat less and exercise more, which usually has the opposite effect. They know nothing about thyroid. And, when you have no idea what you're talking about, always blame the patient! That's their motto.
To be able to help you, we would need to know more about you - there is nothing on your profile. What are you taking and how much? When did you last have labs done? What were the results - exact numbers and ranges? Have you had your vit D, vit B12, folate and ferritin tested? Nutritional deficiencies will also hamper your attempts to lose weight.
Please do not resort to dangerous drugs that will damage your health. It's not worth it. I know the frustration, believe me! Have a look on my profile (click on my name) and see my Before and After photos. Doctors told me that when I started Levo, the weight would just fall off! But, I put more on - a lot more. That was because I was on the wrong dose of the wrong thyroid hormone replacement - for me. When I took matters into my own hands, and learnt about my disease, corrected my nutritional deficiencies - something doctors never do - the weight did fall off, with no diets, no exercise and, especially, no appetite depressants!
So, tell us a bit more about yourself, and I'm sure members will be able to advise you how to get well.
Please help me 😂
? Do you have a question, Victoria?
Hey grey goose!
I am just at my wits end with doctors and trying to find out what's wrong with me.
I think that's why I am resorting to the phentermine.
What I don't understand is I have been told my results are abnormal, I then see the dr just to be told a normal healthy person can have these results and then they ask me WHAT I THINK IS WRONG WITH ME?? I am at the point now where I just don't go to the dr and suffer because nothing is done. I just have no idea what to do anymore, and I am sure a lot of people know exactly how I feel!
OK, well, I understand that. What I suggest is that you post a new question, giving us much information as possible - lab results with ranges, symptoms, other health conditions, meds taken, etc. All the details.
Best on a new thread, because we don't want to hijack this one, do we. And, not many new people are going to read this now. So, look forward to reading your question!
Oh yes no hijacking 😂 Sorry. I will send a DM to you before posting a thread.
Thank you so much!
If you are feeling better, have you included exercise in your life? Walking a nice flat trail along a creek or any nature trail that's not too strenuous, not for 15 or 20 minutes, but a solid hour just once a week will do wonders. It's good for the whole body. 45 minutes of walking is when the furnace light comes on. So 15 minutes after is the final stretch. My daughter tried all kinds of diets, but her results ONLY began to show after she incorporated exercise. For some, it IS the key. Don't just look at food as the problem, and don't fall for 'low-fat' gimmicks. The things to avoid are not butter, but worthless cakes and donuts. I mean if you're trying to shed the weight, it's the sweets we need to avoid. Even too much fruit to compensate for a sweet tooth isn't good. You want to turn on the furnace. The furnace light is out. You turn it on by exercising. Just drive to a trail, get out, and walk. Do this once a week. You might find liking it so much, you do it twice a week, but once a week is a good start. You will reap the benefits in a couple days. An organic apple (apples absorb a high amount of pesticide) is the best fruit - you may want to look at a low glycemic chart to get an idea. But if you're feeling good, it's time to exercise. I bet you it is the key factor to get your weight loss started. Exercise routines don't compare to what a solid hour of stress-free walking can do. And by all means, avoid 'insanity' work outs. You want to be kind to your body, just walk, let the stress roll off. Nature trails are the best 'gyms' ever, and it's free.
Hi Mimeo, About fifteen years ago in the U.S., a product called Phen Phen was prescribed by doctors for obesity. It was taken off the market a few months later due to cardiac problems for some people. The name is so similar, I do wonder if it is the same product or if they have resolved the issue and reproduced it. I'd certainly want to know.
The drug combination fenfluramine/phentermine, usually called fen-phen, was an anti-obesity treatment that utilized two anorectics. Fenfluramine was marketed by American Home Products (later known as Wyeth) as Pondimin, but was shown to cause potentially fatal pulmonary hypertension and heart valve problems, which eventually led to its withdrawal and legal damages of over $13 billion.[1] Phentermine was not shown to have harmful effects.[1]
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