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There is a new Thai brand of NDT. I first read about it on STTM. It's simply called TR, manufactured by TMan Pharma. This is one review I found:

"For me, this is the best NDT there is. I have tried most of the other well known brands, along with thiroyd and thyroid-s and various synthetics. I get the best results by far with tman, complete resolution of hypo symptoms!"

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Clutter

thecat, $125 for 1,000 tablets is pricey in comparison to other Thai NDT. Tablets are sugar coated which may be a problem for some people.

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OK, I was just curious. I read recently that Thyroid-S may be the best one as it contains a slow release substance making the body absorb hormones not from the stomach (like other NDT brands), but from the lower intestine. I have no idea if that is true, though. I have only tried Thiroyd, and it works just fine. The long list of fillers and additives in Thyroid-S makes me hesitate to take it...

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Clutter
Clutter
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Thecat, TMan haven't disclosed the list of fillers in TR and I don't see any listed for Thiroyd on stopthethyroidmadness.com/a...

Sugar coated vs film coated tablets

swallowingdifficulties.com/...

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helvella
helvellaAdministrator
in reply to Clutter

The ingredient list for Thyroid-S on STTM is questionable. That this new one is reported to be "the same" as Thyroid-S is even more questionable.

It isn't the product I question so much as the lack of openness.

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marpom
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helvella
helvellaAdministrator
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We shouldn't need to ask anyone. The information should be readily available and posted in public.

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marpom
marpom
in reply to helvella

Yes absolutely 100% agree but unfortunately they don't do to protect the product i guess.

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helvella
helvellaAdministrator
in reply to marpom

Even the most criticised of the western "big pharma" companies have to list their ingredients. Why should any pharmaceutical company, anywhere, consider themselves and their products as more important than their customers?

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kathy1029
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hi, i found this list of ingredients on a page where you can buy smaller packages of all three NDT they offer, being Thyroid, Thyroid-S and T-man $25 for 100 tabs

100 Tablets Natural T.R. Thyroid Supplement By T.MAN

Natural Desiccated Thyroid (NDT)

Each tablet contains: Thyroid Extract 60 mg. (Lactose Free & Gluten Free)

(1 Tablet = 60mg = 1 grain)

(1 Pack contains 100 Tablets)

Each tablet contains: 38 mcg of Levothyroxine (T4) and 9 mcg of Liothyronine (T3)

Indication: Hypothyroidism, thyroid deficiency agent.

Dosage: 30 to 250 mg. (1 tablet = 60mg = 1 grain) daily or as directed by a physician.

Thyroid All Natural Thyroid Supplement from TMAN pharma, 270 TAB sugar-coated tablets in 1 pack.

Batch Number- 9945901

Mfg Date- 01 Sept 2016.

Exp Date- 01 Sept 2020.

Add to cart

Category: Natural Desiccated Thyroid

Tag: thyroid-s-thyroid-cheap

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Tama827
Tama827
in reply to kathy1029

TMAN states their active ingredients openly and available on several websites. It's the fillers and/or inactive ingredients that they are not open about.

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Amywazwaz08
Amywazwaz08
in reply to Clutter

Just recently I went to order and they doubled the price. I had been given a sample and liked it but now it was like $120 or so for only 500 tablets.

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Charliebinder

May want to try another website. I just looked today and it was $70-$80 for 500 and $120 for 1000.

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Sinead74

Hi where did you order from as I would like to order from a reputable site

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helvella
helvellaAdministrator

For a new product, that seems to be rather over-the-top praise. I'd be more impressed if the review said how long s/he had been using it. After all, one of the issues even with the oldest-established products have been questions over long-term consistency and potency.

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bobsmydog
bobsmydog
in reply to helvella

haha yes I often spot customer reviews which I'll bet my bottom dollar are from seller's mum and best friend :-)

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Clutter
Clutter
in reply to helvella

Helvella, marketing sock puppets wouldn't know that ;)

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faith63

I just don't believe what i read on sttm anymore. I was poisoned by ndt 3x , due to it flaring up my Hashi's. I tried it 3x because sttm pretty much has insisted that you stand no chance of feeling well unless you take ndt. When someone says they got ill on it, they don't respond or don't include that on their website or forum. They are very biased and possibly being paid, to put good reviews of meds on their website.

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greygoose
greygoose
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They will even chuck you off their forum if you disagree with them!

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marpom
marpom
in reply to faith63

Poisoned? How much have you been using? You need to build up dose slowly week by week, not build up quickly every day! Do some research on how to use it and fine tune your dose wait and see how you feel before taking a higher dose. Have your say on Raypeat forum if you don't like STTM. Natural thyroid supp is different from chemical thyroid. If you have been taking too much too quickly that might explain it.

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faith63
faith63
in reply to marpom

no..i started on 1/2 a grain, after being on 112 t4 and 10 t3..it made me ill, sweaty, swollen , high bp, high blood sugar..it flared up my autoimmune disease. This can happen with Hashis and ndt. I don't read forums for advise anymore.

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faith63
faith63
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Couldn't even make it to 2 grs..at 90, i had hyper symptoms and flares of above normal labs..then drops to under range then back up again. Someone else on here gained weight on it.

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marpom
marpom
in reply to faith63

Okay you think because of Hashis in combination with Ndt? You mean hashimoto's right? Where can i find info on Ndt and hashimoto's?

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faith63
faith63
in reply to marpom

google..ndt making hashimotos worse. Dr. Mark Starr and another Doc don't advise it for hashimotos. My integrative medicine doc too. For some, it just makes us worse..makes sense since our bodies are attacking thyroids.

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deceived
deceived
in reply to faith63

Hi faith I totally agree about STTM. They have not posted any of my more recent comments because of the same reason. I noticed the other day 2 new people posted problems with the changes to NDT and then all of a sudden there was someone named Cathy M to counteract the complaints as if they are invalid. Yet MY post addressing the problem is NOT there. It is being regulated by big pharma. The person who answers peoples complaints known as Jamie is a shill. She tries to make it seem like NDT hasn't changed and focus on everyone is just diferent. I can tell you I think NDT would have worked for you but they are ALL different now. They ALL look smell and taste different and people are mostly under the impression that the fillers have changed and that is causing the problem but I know in my heart from myself being poisoned on WP AND NEW ERFA that it is the actual thyroid powder that all the companies buy to produce their pills that has changed.

What you describe happening to you happend to me only ATER they changed the powder. Can you please tell me what brand of NDT you tried and what the expiration date on the bottle was? Also when you tried it?  The new is actually making our bodies produce Thyroid antibodies.

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faith63
faith63
in reply to deceived

i was on Armour in 2011, with those symptoms.  And again in 2012 and 2014 Erfa, the same symptoms.  Meds bought 1 year apart.  

Some people don't do well on these drugs.  I have antibodies for tpo and thyroglobulin, so maybe that is why.   

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in reply to faith63

This makes a lot of sense...I have often wondered how "natural" NDT is is for humans, as it comes from pigs or cows. It does sound good that it will give you "all the hormones your own thyroid would, including T1, T2 and calcitonin", but maybe that is not always such a good idea...?

I always thought that if your antibody levels remain in range (which they always do when I have a suppressed TSH), that meant I was fine on NDT...but now I've read about other symptoms, like high blood pressure and high blood sugar levels, both of which I have (or had, as they are now being treated). But I would never connect those conditions to the use of NDT...very interesting, indeed.

I have even speculated that maybe our immune systems do not recognise NDT as something to be attacked as it's not human thyroid hormone...but I guess that is wishful thinking...?

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faith63
faith63
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High blood sugar come from inflammation, where the body is so inflamed it doesn't use our own insulin. I refuse to be treated for anything like that or stains for my crazy high blood fats. There is a natural way out. google mark hyman md..insulin resistance, reversing it and stopping autoimmune disease..this is what i am doing.

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HeatherD45

I actually just got a sample of this T.R. in with my order of Thiroyd. Since I'm just starting out trying Thiroyd, I'm not ready to try something else, but I guess I will hang onto it in case of emergency. It's got a hard pink coating and looks kind of like a piece of candy.

By the way, I can feel a (positive) difference when taking Thiroyd as compared to Armour. So far, so good.

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jacrjacr
jacrjacr
in reply to HeatherD45

can you pm where to get it

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HeatherD45
HeatherD45
in reply to jacrjacr

I will be happy to.

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jacrjacr
jacrjacr
in reply to HeatherD45

DID the TR have a list of ingredients that are inside.....

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deceived
deceived
in reply to HeatherD45

Heather - Still happy with Thiroyd? Labs good?

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HeatherD45

Unfortunately not. It just says,"NDT Analytical Reference Standard T.R. by T. Man Thyroglobulin Diagnostic Reagent, Pure Grade." It actually looks EXACTLY like the package of Thiroyd I got. The package and the label are identical but for some numbers related to lot, manufacture date, etc. The pill itself looks different, of course. It has a hard coating on it. Interesting.

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deceived
deceived
in reply to HeatherD45

Heather does the inside of the pink pill look like Thiroyd? Do you like it still?

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HeatherD45
HeatherD45
in reply to deceived

I haven't really tried it yet (the TR). I have been hanging onto it in case of emergency, but I have been using Thyroid-S. I do like it. Sorry I couldn't be more help!

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HeatherD45
HeatherD45
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Sorry, I didn't address the Thiroyd question. I didn't use it past the first order I made. I tried the other sample of Thyroid-S (ordered both at the same time in the smallest amount and tried Thiroyd first) and have been using it for a while. I haven't been able to figure out my idea dose, but I definitely feel better and have lost some weight. I'm not crashing in the early afternoon and have more energy. I'm still working on getting back to normal, but I can say that these meds have DEFINITELY made a positive difference for me.

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deceived
deceived
in reply to HeatherD45

So Thiroyd is a thumbs up then??? Have you noticed any hair loss on it or thyroid swelling or thyroid pain?

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HeatherD45
HeatherD45
in reply to deceived

Sorry, I don't know how I missed this. Yes, I would give it a thumbs up. I haven't had any of the problems you mentioned, but then those were never an issue for me.

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Hidden
Hidden

The claim that you should avoid NDT if you have Hashimoto's, does that mean that synthetic T3 is OK, along with T4 meds? Since Hashimoto's is by far the most common cause of hypothyroidism, that would mean that not many people should be on NDT...but NDT is all that is prescribed by the Hertoghe doctors in Belgium, and I bet most of their patients have Hashimoto's...in Hertoghe's own clinic, they switched from Armour to Erfa after Armour was reformulated, but I have no idea if they still prescribe Erfa after all the problems that have been reported...

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Sinead74

Hi Guys

I thought you would like to hear my experience so far with Tr Thyroid by T-man. Like many other thyroid patients I have had no choice but to try this due to the shortage of Nature thyroid and WP Thyroid. I have tried almost all of the thyroid medications out there. Levothyroxine both liquid and tablet form mixed with T3, Tirosent and T3, Levothyroxine and armour together the list goes on. Recently I have been taking Nature thyroid for the past 9 months its the best I have ever taken with regards to side effects as I had none on this medicine. I had awful side effects from the synthetic and also from the armour. So now there is a massive shortage of both Nature Thyroid and WP Thyroid (I have never tried WP but was willing in desperation. May I say that the Nature Thyroid was very good as in mood wise etc but I still have not lost any weight and given that I have a very good diet I find this disappointing. Anyway I have been taking the TR Thyroid 4 days now I am taking the same dose as the nature thyroid which is 2x65 mcgs in the morning and Im actually taking 16.25 nature thyroid at 2.O'Clock as I have a few of this very small dose left. I feel no different I am in very good form and I am actually going to the loo every day without having to take a movicol to help me. I am feeling the cold the past 2 days but given the degrees have dropped here Im hoping its just that. My sleep is OK as it has never been great with sleeping to much ( not on enough medication or not sleeping due to medication. I bough these tablets last year and was afraid to take them as I had no real information and my thyroid was very low at the time and I suppose I wanted something that was FDA approved at least. In my opinion my Endo was just trying different meds with me as nothing seemed to work its like pot luck at this stage really. Im dreading ring her office in the morning and informing them that I am taking the Tr Thyroid but I have no choice. I will keep you all updated !!

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helvella
helvellaAdministrator
in reply to Sinead74

Thank you for your update.

Unfortunately, as this is down on a four-year-old thread, after a few people have seen it, it will likely disappear unless someone carefully searches. Maybe you could post again - in a brand new post, "Experience with TR Man Thyroid from Thailand", or something like that?

More people will see it and it will be easier to find.

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frankiem
frankiem
in reply to Sinead74

Hi Sinead, how are you getting on with Tr Thyroid? I was thinking of getting some and wondered if you would still recommend it.

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