Reinforcing Libido during and after ADT

[Handdrummer777]

From my own experience at the start of month 16 of 18 months of ADT, preserving my interest in sexual activity was an increasingly tough challenge, the more time passed in the first few months of hormone therapy.

During that time, I knew I had to do some mental Ju-jitsu. And so I "told" my flagging libido that it did not need the T to survive the duration of ADT -- IF penile blood flow could not only be preserved but enhanced.

So, instead of setting up (or just sort of progressively allowing) a downward spiral to begin -- i.e. rapid loss of interest in sex, even stopping solo sex, thus allowing penile tissue damage, and penile/testicular shrinkage to occur -- I was fortunately able to set up a positive, upward spiral:

Having a reliable device like my homemade Loop, which produces/assists with erections, in turn encouraged my sometimes- somnombulent libido to stay awake enough to remember to masturbate on a regular basis. Once I begin jacking it, whether or not my libido is particularly interested, I feel turned on.

Good porn is helpful to a newly-single guy just turned 69. In turn, as my libido feels more awake and alive, the response to daily 5mg Tadalafil gets better and better incrementally.

Unfortunately, I couldn't seemingly get more than a very small number of Healthunocked group members interested in the Loop instructions, and actually trying it out. I felt disappointed, but I know the efficacy of the device, at least for me.

But all that's totally OK, and I no longer feel so desperate to pester you with so many of these Loop posts, because now, FDA-backed Giddy and Xialla are both out there! These things work, guys.

And, sure enough, both work on the same exact principle as my device, but with far more technological wizardry, and they apply pressure in two other ways than the Loop.

All three devices use the principle of "Apply pressure -- without constricting, but rather, enhancing blood flow."

So many of you will be helped by these two new devices that have been FDA-tested and shown to work as claimed for many if not most test subjects.

Particularly if you're on ADT, but also recovering from RP especially, there is no time to waste in the dangerous "Use it or lose it" challenge. Make no mistake; this will unmake your sexual potency if you allow it, and then can seemingly "kill" libido (which is NOT dead but sleeping) so that it essentially doesn't come back after ADT.

Obviously also, the wide variances in nerve-sparing success greatly influence the duration, and ultimate degree, of erection recovery possible for that patient.

So many men -- despite the wide availability of implants, give up on sex after PC treatments, which to me is a profoundly distressing and sad outcome, which doesn't have to be bad or hopeless enough to give up on the core physical expression of manhood.

But I think that most often it's the case that the number one issue -- one that will give a"fix" to ED for that session of sex activity, and strengthen the libido -- is just HOW to get blood flow up there and produce an erection, and how to KEEP the blood up there.

Success in this makes the libido a little stronger each session, whether or not it was even that interested at the time.

These new devices, at Getmegiddy.com & Xialla.com, will thrill a lot of you. You are going to be surprised and delighted, many of you. Don't underestimate how good these devices will be for your well-being and self-esteem!

I predict these simple devices (and probably others forthcoming) will provide strong temporary fixes to even moderate to severe ED...just as they claim they do.

All I want to do in being here as a cancer patient myself, is try and contribute to the well-being of everyone in these wonderful groups.

Good luck to all you guys, and we'll all keep on, weathering the numerous challenges involved in our shared illness.

We embrace life as we desire and are able, and as we strive to bring our hopes and dreams to fruition.

[JohnZi]

Thanks, Handdrummer, for providing detailed additional info to consider as we struggle to "wake up" a sleeping part of our bodies. ADT and 38 radiation treatments have done a real number on my libido in the last 10 months. I lost interest in needles, Trimix and pumps, but I know I need to do something to increase flow to erectile tissue and to prevent shrinkage. Thanks to you and the support/suggestions of many others here,I'm learning about other options and am going to try again. Appreciate your many posts here!!!

- John

[Handdrummer777 in reply to JohnZi]

Really appreciate it!

[JimVanHorn]

Thank you Mr. Hand, I was on ADT (Eligard) for 6 12 years, and now I am in remission. It is amazing to me that as my T levels go up (47 now) so does my libido. I am growing hair on my chest! I can have dry orgasms and porno helps. My testes have doubled in size (but not my penis). I will see my Oncologist in December and find out what my health is on the inside. It has been 1 1/2 years since I had my last Eligard shot. I am a happy man and feel very lucky since 7 years ago they gave me two years to live. Never give up and just keep truckin.

[Handdrummer777 in reply to JimVanHorn]

Absolutely! Good attitude. I look forward to my pathetic little ADT-shrunken balls to double in size too. Fun times.

Try Giddy and Xialla for a definite boost if you need them, remember.

[Handdrummer777 in reply to JimVanHorn]

Good grief! What a long haul to be without T. I salute you, and I think your gratitude for what you CAN do is extremely inspiring for me and hopefully others.

[JimVanHorn in reply to Handdrummer777]

Hello again Mr Hand, When I stopped ADT, for about 6 weeks I had an erection whenever I had to pee. So would watch TV for about 10 minutes and then sit on the toilet to pee, and then go back and watch TV again. My urine just dribbles out even now and I wear depends incontinent pants. So I can get a erection pretty much when I need one, and masturbate with a dry orgasm (no clean up needed!) If someone else wants to smell semen I tell them to smell their own! It all smells about the same (unless you eat a lot of asparagus). My cancer doctor does not want me to increase my T with medications, he wants it to come back naturally. There is always a possibility that micro cancer cells somewhere in my body may start growing again. When I stopped Eligard my T was 17 . Normal T is 360 or so and mine is now 47. I do lust again and for years I could care less. I even would enjoy beautiful women as well as men! That has changed back again.

When the doctors gave me 2 years to live in 2011, I had metastasizes, and I started Eligard, had 30 more radiations. found a lover, and partied with crack cocaine! I found a gay church (MCC) and they prayed for my recovery from cancer and crack addiction. The radiation hit my colon and I had sepsis. I went back into the hospital on injectable antibiotics, but had to finish my radiation. I would get dressed, leave the hospital, drive down to the radiation (about 10 miles), get zapped, drive back to hospital, get back in bed, and get hooked up to antibiotics again. One day I was not getting high and quit crack and drugs, and one month later my Mom died. So I was able to give her a proper burial, move out her apartment, and do all the paper work. Five years later the doctor called me on Christmas Eve (2018) and told me I no longer have cancer. I have 5 years off of drugs. I believe that the church (by praying for me) helped me stay in a positive state by helping others and keeping me clean. I go to GLBT Narcotics Anonymous and sponsor people. Having responsibilities and friends keeps me going. I have hip pain probably from the metastases from cancer and exercise helps this pain go away, but not too much exercise. Now I am more interested in the other diseases I have, diabetes, heart disease, and kidney disease. Above everything else remember to just keep on truckin'.

[Handdrummer777 in reply to JimVanHorn]

So glad that you are cancer and drug free!! What a one-two punxh upward and onward! And it must feel good to you that you were together enough to manage handling your Mom's things and so forth,bvery responsibly. Good on ya!

And that hair-on-the-chest reboot has got to satisFYing! I'll look to my once-hairy tummy again, I hope and pray to the Hair-god! I actually grew my first goatee last month, partly as simply a statement of masculinity in the face of ADT, sort of a comfort thing whenever I gaze upon my feminized torso, hips and thighs. And lest we forget, that penis-hiding extra layer of fat, strategically in place immediately above my package and around the top of my butt. Good Lord.

Wonderful that you can summon erections and orgasms like you describe, and after 78 months of T-dep! That's amazingly good news to hear.

We must, as PC survivors, at all different points in our cancer journeys, do all we can to recover, preserve, exercise, and strengthen our erections, because physiologically, that is the core of our maleness. A large measure of male self-esteem comes from having the ability -- with or without devices, medications etc, -- to have good-quality erections that we can maintain for awhile. There's just nothing like it, for a man.

Continued good luck and success, Jim!

[JimVanHorn in reply to Handdrummer777]

Back at you Handdrummer!