Wise-Anderson Protocol?

[HYH33]

Does any female attend Wise-Anderson’s 6 days intensive protocol? Would you please share your reflections? Not sure how much it is, I searched and found some people say it’s $6000?! I am not an American, I live in Asia. I’m trying to find more reviews about this protocol so I can decide if I should go.

[kalecolbe12]

I have been doing the protocol myself for 8 months as well as pelvic floor pt and muscle relaxe when needed now(I did more intense therapy the first four months with muscle relaxers 3 times a day but now I don't really need them as much)so I believe in a lot of it...I don't do as much meditation but o do the breathing and stretches at home diligently...much better but I do expect a flare up now and again.Where are your symptoms ? I know it can be anywhere in the pelvic floor but mine were/are rectal

[HYH33 in reply to kalecolbe12]

Thank you for your reply. I just read two books about CPP, Heal Pelvic Pain by Amy Stein & Headache in the Pelvic by Dr. Anderson. I’m doing the stretches taught by Amy, those did help but the symptoms rise soon after stretching.

My symptoms range from pubic bone through the inner side of sitting bone of my right pelvis. Sometimes feel urinary urgency, sometimes pain before defecation. When the spasm really bothered and disabled me falling asleep, I took muscle relaxant pill.

[willemine]

I shall read the book first about the method .for me its not a option because my pain is nerve related instead of muscle related but this method is based on to relax or train your muscles more so the tension gets optimal and other lifestyle changes . I think every good pelvic pt can help you with that. But thats my opinion.

[HYH33 in reply to willemine]

Sorry to hear that you are suffering from nerve pain. I can understand how you feel. My pelvic pain has showed me various symptoms altering by time. Six months ago, my vulva area were burning and itching without infection. At that time, I didn't think that my pelvic floor muscle cramped.

My doctor said that the nerves tips of genital area are from four nerves and sub nerves including pudendal nerve, genitofemoral nerve, ilioinguinal nerve, etc. So she did P.I.T. (perineural injection therapy invented by Dr. John Lyftogt) on my vestibule as well as all the ways that sub nerves go through groin and coccyx. After like 10 times of P.I.T. treatment, I think she successfully tame my nerve pain, no more burning and itching. However, I started feeling severe muscle spasm in my pelvic floor area. My doctor said that the spasm was actually there all the time. While flaring up, the nerves inhibit the muscle, I think that explains why I couldn't feel my pelvic floor muscle cramping while undertaking the P.I.T.

After reading "Heal Pelvic Pain" by Amy Stein, I learned that almost all the pelvic pain cases refer to pelvic floor muscle dysfunction. My priority now is to do stretches 2-4 times a day, and do internal and external trigger point release at least one time a day.

Calming the nerves down is top priority to patients like us because persistent pain will teach our brain to feel even more painful. You may Google "Dr. John Lyftogt" and find a certified/well-trained doctor near you. I found my doctor through their website too. I hope that the P.I.T. helps with your nerve pain.

[Lucas1960]

I attended the protocol last October. There were like 6 men and 3 women. It’s approx 4000 but that doesn’t include hotel and flight. One of the attendees was from China and they had an interpreter. The physical therapist is male, so you have to be comfortable with that. But he’s amazing and I strongly doubt it would be an issue. I cannot recommend the program enough. It’s not going to instantly cure you but they give you the tools to beat it. They help you understand exactly what is happening. The workshop can be painful because you’re getting invasive physical therapy every day but it works. I’ve followed their program and I’m essentially pain free. If you attend, you’ll learn that the key to beating this is teaching your body to relax. Also, if you attend, do so with a positive attitude. Go there with the idea that you will beat this condition. There were people in my clinic that had a defeatist attitude... and they didn’t ask questions or engage much. I bet they still have pain now.

[HYH33 in reply to Lucas1960]

Hi Lucas1960,

So happy to hear that you are pain free now. Your sharing about the protocol helps a lot to me, also gives me courage to give myself a try. I think I am okay with a male therapist. The only things my husband and I worried most are communication and group. I can do basic English communication, maybe a little weak in listening, but overall is okay. I have big interest in this protocol because it proceed with a group. I think meeting with patients like me would be very supportive to me mentally. My husband worried that attending with other native speakers may put pressure on me during interaction and communication. That's why I am still considering if I should go or not. I am hesitating between Wise-Anderson Protocol and a female DPT Dr. Susie G who provides 6-day intensive program individually.

Do you think that interaction among attendees matters in this protocol? How frequent would the attendees interact? I appreciate your reply, thanks!

[Lucas1960]

Thank you -- I'm very fortunate... but I predict you'll be pain free too soon. Glad you're thinking about attending! I'm familiar with Dr. Susie G. but haven't talked to anyone who attended her program.

Good -- I would have zero qualms about the male physical therapist. I've had pt therapists who were female and it didn't bother me. And besides, Dr. Sawyer, is one of the best pelvic floor therapists in the world.

Interaction with other attendees doesn't matter at all for the protocol. None of the exercises or activities involved talking to or interacting with the other patients. Basically, everyone is in a room sitting on their own mat. The days are divided between Dr. Wise discussing various protocols and physical therapy with Dr. Sawyer. The only time I spoke to the other attendees was before or after the daily session... or when grabbing lunch. Some attendees didn't talk to other people at all. But the majority at least talked to a little. It's certainly helpful to meet people with the same condition who are obviously sympathetic to your plight.

Is your husband more fluent than you in English? Or do you have a friend who is who could attend with you? As said in my previous post, one of the attendees in my clinic was from China and spoke no English. He had a friend accompany him who was fluent and would translate. Everyone was very patient and understanding with him.

[HYH33 in reply to Lucas1960]

Thank you so much for providing more details about the protocol. It seems that I worried too much in communication.

My husband had studied in US for 7 years so he can communicate with native speakers without difficulty. He will go to California with me, but he has to take care of our 2y daughter while I’m attending the protocol.

I think I will be comfortable in taking this protocol and don’t have to worry about communication. Thanks again for your experience sharing.

[Lucas1960 in reply to HYH33]

No problem! Yes, I would not worry about that. They will be accommodating.

Sounds good- good luck and I predict it will help you immensely. And then hopefully you can tell other people about it. I suffered for a long time- I wish I had known about this treatment earlier.