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Edit: I have gone back and added in some details that I've remembered that might be helpful, so if you've read this in the past few days you may notice some changes. You are not crazy.

A quick disclaimer: I'm sure everyone realizes that I may have made mistakes, and that recommendations for taking a particular treatment probably evolve over time. So be sure to contact your doctor or EMD Serono/MS Lifelines if you are using Mavenclad and you have any questions. Not intended as medical advice, etc. Here is my experience.

I've been planning on starting Mavenclad for months now, but today is the day! I want to post my experiences as I go. Because it's difficult to track down multiple posts by one person on a given subject, I decided to add new information in the form of edits added below the last entry. This will keep the various entries together in one post.

I decided to try Mavenclad because I've gotten worse, particularly spasticity, on Ocrevus since starting in January of 2022. I also had what for me was a bad relapse last year. I also like that if things go well, I won't be immunocompromised the whole time I'm on it. So far, I've done research on the MS-selfie blog, talked to my doctor, and talked to MS Lifelines about keeping the tablets at room temperature, not touching the tablets more than necessary and washing my hands afterwards, and not taking any other meds by mouth within three hours before or three hours after the Mavenclad. I also need to take it at the exact same time every day, and I'm supposed to drink a ton of water to avoid getting bad headaches. I should also mention that it's considered an IRT, or immune reconstitution therapy, rather than a DMT. This means it is taken for five days, then none are taken for the remainder of the month. The second month, meds are taken again for five days. This kills off certain B and T cells and lowers your white cell, or lymphocyte count temporarily. The idea is that when those cells repopulate, they'll be nicer and more well-behaved - and not attack the brain or spinal cord. I will let you all know how it goes!

9/2/24

I took my first dose (which was two tablets based on weight) this morning with a full glass of water as directed. I chose to eat breakfast first. I've set up hourly reminders to drink, as keeping your brain hydrated is supposed to stave off headaches. I really didn't notice much in the way of side effects. MS Lifelines sent me a text an hour before my dose was due to remind me to take it, which is nice. Since I'm taking it pretty early in the morning, I've set an alarm on my phone to wake me up just before it's time. I should also mention that the tablets are cytotoxic, meaning you're only supposed to touch the tablet(s) with dry hands, and wash your hands well after taking it. Definitely don't touch a tablet and touch your eyes, face, or anyplace else. This makes some patients, including me, not want to handle them. The MS Lifelines nurse gave me a helpful tip, which is to hold the blister pack over a clean, dry glass, and push it/them through the pack into the glass. You can then use the glass to put it in your mouth and swallow the tablet (no cutting or crushing the tablet(s)) This way you not only don't have to touch your medication, but it makes it harder to drop the pill(s)! I was sold on this method. I refer to tablet(s) because the dose is based on your weight, so the number of tablets will be different for different people.

9/3/24 This morning, I got up, had some oatmeal to reduce the risk of any nausea, and took my Mavenclad with the recommended full glass of water, the recommended three hours after the last time I took medication, and 24 hours after the time I took it yesterday. So far, so good.

Then I goofed. I had fallen asleep, and when I woke up, I heard my alarm that was to remind me to drink water. I got it confused with the alarm I set to remind me that it was safe to take my meds and vitamins, even though they sound different. So I took my meds and vitamins an hour before I was supposed to! I called MS Lifelines and admitted my mistake. The nurse said she had to document it, and asked for the lot number and expiration date on the Mavenclad box. I'm thinking, Document it for what? What have I done?

She said not to worry, but to call my doctor if I felt weird. Oh, crap! And I did start to feel weird; lightheaded but with a lot of pressure in my head, especially the front of my skull. I felt pretty embarrassed, but I called my doctor. He said that it shouldn't matter that much, that the three hour waiting period was to ensure the Mavenclad was absorbed. He said that if I felt lightheaded, I should drink more water, and electrolytes. I have been drinking a ton of water already, because I was told it was critical to prevent headaches, and I have been adding an electrolyte powder to my water four times a day, per the instructions on the electrolyte powder. But if my doctor thinks I need more water, then I'm off to drink more.

9/4/24

The rest of yesterday went pretty well. When the Mavenclad kicked in yesterday (I've been taking it at seven am), I got kind of a head rush with pressure in my head, and I felt really impaired and sleepy. But it didn't Iast for more than an hour or two. Then I felt lightheaded, but I felt that way before I started the Mavenclad (from tight neck muscles). My thoughts were fuzzier, my short term memory nonexistent, I was more tired, and my legs felt noticeably weaker than usual. I tasted stomach acid in the hours right after taking the Mavenclad, but I didn't feel nauseated. That can be a side effect for some people, but thankfully that hasn't happened so far. I feel like I should mention that I am taking a lot of medications that cause drowsiness and brain fog, and because I'm excruciatingly sensitive to medication, this isn't the first time I've added a new medication and felt completely impaired. It happened with Ampyra and with lurasidone (a drug for bipolar disorder that was prescribed to me off label for depression). So if a new drug hits me like a ton of bricks, it doesn't mean that it will happen to you. Overall, I would not be able to continue taking Mavenclad if it was a daily med, but thankfully, it's not. If every day was like yesterday, I could do five days no problem. ๐Ÿ˜Š Today was much the same: tasting stomach acid, feeling more fatigue, being forgetful, thinking more slowly, and my legs feeling weaker. I only felt the head rush with weird head pressure, and the beginnings of a headache, in the early evening. I suspect I may have been slacking off on my water consumption a bit. The pressure died down after I had several more glasses of water. I am really glad that I got the electrolyte powder before starting the Mavenclad, because I feel like drinking this much water might cause an electrolyte imbalance. But again, while the experience was not something I'd want to have happen every day, it was not terrible. Three days down, two more to go!

9/5/24

Today I felt super impaired, and couldn't remember what I was doing from one minute to the next. I canceled a medical appointment I had because I just felt out of it. Still no nausea today and no bad headache. One more day to go!

9/6/24

Last (Fifth) Day of year one, first treatment week! After yesterday's brain fog and sleepiness, I'm happy to be taking the last dose today. I happened to wake up at four am, and I decided to drink a big glass of water before going back to bed, to be more hydrated for my dose at seven. It felt like when I took it, it didn't hit me as hard as far as head rushes and head pressure, so it might be a good idea not to take your dose first thing when you get up, to give yourself a chance to "prehydrate." Today was slightly better than yesterday as far as brain fog, and I made it to two medical appointments. I did get confused about what I was supposed to be doing to prepare for one of them, which I found embarrassing, but it worked out okay. I've been having a bothersome symptom which I was not confident mentioning earlier, because it's an existing problem and I initially had no way to know if it was from the Mavenclad. I have mild rosacea, which makes my cheeks red, and makes my skin burn and feel dry and tight, especially if I get sun. But it has been getting redder and more uncomfortable, so I suspect that it is a side effect from the Mavenclad. The drug is supposed to be out of your body in ten days from the time you take it, although the effects/mechanism of action continues for months. I'm hoping that it will feel better once ten more days has passed, but I may be calling my dermatologist. I did find an article about Mavenclad and adverse skin events although it doesn't mention my particular problem:

multiplesclerosisnewstoday....

9/11/24

Today, I still feel the same way I did five days ago. I'm looking forward to when the Mavenclad leaves my system, in hopes of feeling more normal again.

I do realize that it will continue causing changes for months to come, though.

Other Resources include:

* EMD Serono Mavenclad website:

imready.mavenclad.com/

* Mavenclad Educational Events:

(Which come with a chance to learn, ask questions of a neurologist, and have really fancy dinners that are free)

mavenclad.com/en/events.html

You will see that there is a black box warning for cancer that the FDA required Serono to put on it because there was a higher rate of cancer in the Mavenclad group than the placebo group during the early clinical trial. I urge you to talk to your neuro if you are considering Mavenclad, but it's my understanding that this was not the case in later trials. The types of cancer varied, too, which you wouldn't expect if the Mavenclad was causing them. It is recommended that Mavenclad patients stay on top of their regular cancer screenings.

* Mavenclad Facebook Group:

A private Facebook group for Mavenclad patients. I have not seen it, as I have held out this long without getting a Facebook account, and I don't want one now. As always with internet sources, take them with a grain of salt, including me. Ask your doctor about any questions you have. m.facebook.com/login.php?ne...

*MS-Selfie Blog

Professor Gavin Giovannoni's informative blog about managing your MS has many entries about cladribine (Mavenclad), as it seems they have used it more extensively there than in the US. You can read the blog for free, but you must email Prof G, as they call him, and simply ask for a free subscription. This blog is more technical than other resources, but it's a really great source of information from a brilliant MS doctor.

The email address to request a free subscription is at the bottom. You will have to provide your email.

msselfie.co.uk/

Use the search bar to search for cladribine.

There is a 23 to 27 day window from the time you take your first dose, in which you can start your second treatment week of year one. I will be starting that course in a few weeks, but I may be adding further information before then, depending on what I experience. I am planning to keep drinking a lot of water for a while, since it's my understanding that the Mavenclad stays in your system for about ten days after you take it.

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Xvettech

please do! Best of luck on it!

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Xvettech in reply to Xvettech

Does it take that long to start? Were you on nothing until you started? I ask because I want to start on it. This kesimpta helped a little, but itโ€™s gone from 1 week to 2 before the next injection that pain/uncomfortableness set in. Itโ€™s getting worse - I can feel it :(

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CatsandCars in reply to Xvettech

I was on Ocrevus since January of '22. So I had the equivalent of five full infusions. I was due for an infusion on 7/26 but didn't get it so I could start Mavenclad. I hoped to start Mavenclad then, but my paperwork got lost, so I'm starting it a little more than a month after my last Ocrevus was due. My insurance company approved the Mavenclad right away, which doesn't always happen, so once the papers were in, I got the pills sent to me within about two weeks. I needed blood work and some vaccinations before starting. As you know, Ocrevus works similarly to Kesimpta. I had a ton of spasticity shortly after first starting the Ocrevus, like starting in January and having a baclofen pump put in by the end of September. I had a bad relapse in March of '23. I never had any "crap gap" symptoms until before my second-to-last infusion in January of '24. Then I got crap gap symptoms in the form of leg spasticity for the first time ever. Got the infusion, that part went away. Fast forward to June of '24, a month before my last infusion was due, and spasticity hit me like crazy. My neck has been so tight I've been having dizziness and nausea, and one particular part of my shoulder hurts really bad. My legs are also quite tight, but the baclofen pump and baclofen tablets work pretty well for that. Thank God I was able to have pelvic floor botox injections in May, or I would probably have excruciating pelvic pain as well. The baclofen tablets are putting me to sleep, though. I'm sleepy all day, which of course means I'm not participating in life very much. I want to read, I fall asleep. I want to watch an episode of a TV show with my hubby, I fall asleep. It's most vexing.

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Xvettech in reply to CatsandCars

Thank you for the information! I am glad that you got medicine and I hope it helps big time! I will let yous know if I make it to dr and the outcome!

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CatsandCars in reply to Xvettech

You're welcome. Thanks, I hope it helps, too! Best of luck to you with your neuro appointment. ๐Ÿ˜Š

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Xvettech in reply to CatsandCars

Your welcome and thank you

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stepsforNeeC in reply to CatsandCars

Thank you for sharing this informative, detailed narrative of your Mavenclad journey. You give better medical details, than some nurses and doctors; quite impressive.

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CatsandCars in reply to stepsforNeeC

Aw, thank you, stepsforNeeC! I appreciate that. โค๏ธ

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stepsforNeeC in reply to CatsandCars

Pray ๐Ÿ™ all goes well and the best my friend โค๏ธ

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CatsandCars in reply to stepsforNeeC

โค๏ธ

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Blanketttime1

thx for sharing this info with us. i hope all goes well!๐Ÿค—

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CatsandCars in reply to Blanketttime1

You're very welcome. Thanks for the good wishes!

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falalalala

Good luck!

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CatsandCars in reply to falalalala

Thanks, falalalala! How are you doing/feeling with your new hip?

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Xvettech in reply to CatsandCars

She feels like dancing๐Ÿ˜‚. lol

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falalalala in reply to Xvettech

...The T. Jones School For Dancin'

youtube.com/watch?v=HmP3f6Y...

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AquaZumbaFan in reply to falalalala

Oh my gosh! I remember when I was growing up one of my neighbors was so in love with Tom Jonesโ€ฆ Lol..๐Ÿ˜‚

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falalalala in reply to AquaZumbaFan

My hub's grandmother had a thing for him.

She used to throw her underpants at the tv whenever he was on.

We always checked the tv guide before visiting because of this.๐Ÿ˜‚

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CatsandCars in reply to falalalala

Yikes! That was good thinking. ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

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AquaZumbaFan in reply to falalalala

Oh falalalala!

You never fail to make me laugh ๐Ÿคฃ thanks for sharing that mental image.. wonder if she would just empty her underwear drawer and take her time pitching them at the TV or would she actually remove them from her body and then throw them ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜‚

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CatsandCars in reply to AquaZumbaFan

๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ So hilarious!

You replied to me, so falalala hasn't seen it, though. I keep replying to myself on this thread, instead of the person I meant to reply to. I blame fatigue and too much medication on my part!

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CatsandCars in reply to Xvettech

I hope so!

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falalalala in reply to CatsandCars

Like enrolling in a dance class at...

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CatsandCars in reply to falalalala

I hope you're better at dancing in a group than I am! ๐Ÿ˜†

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falalalala in reply to CatsandCars

Nope, I stink๐Ÿ˜‚

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CatsandCars in reply to falalalala

I was always three steps behind everyone in mandatory aerobics in gym class. ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ

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CatsandCars in reply to falalalala

Wow, I remember Tom Jones, but had no idea he could dance like that! He sounded a bit like Little Richard, too! ๐Ÿ˜

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falalalala in reply to CatsandCars

I'd love to do that in the neurologist's office.๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

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CatsandCars in reply to falalalala

๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚They might think it's a new form of epilepsy!

Seriously, I'd like to be able to do that anywhere!

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Xvettech in reply to CatsandCars

๐Ÿ˜‚

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10things

Goodluck with the new med

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CatsandCars in reply to 10things

Thanks, 10things. I hope we will hear more from you about how you're doing!

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10things

would u plz tell me what is โ€˜crap gapโ€™ ?

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Xvettech in reply to 10things

The time between one injection and the next - like you feel like crap until you get the medicine again

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CatsandCars in reply to Xvettech

Thank you, I didn't reply directly to 10things. Oops.

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Xvettech in reply to CatsandCars

lol your welcome. I didnโ€™t realize you answered until after I did!

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CatsandCars in reply to 10things

I'm sorry I didn't reply directly to you yesterday, so you wouldn't have seen it. Ocrevus infusions are given every six months, but some people start to feel bad before it's time for the next infusion, say at five or even four months. It doesn't happen to everyone, though.

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CatsandCars

That is a classy way of describing when people on Ocrevus don't feel well during the entire six months between infusions. ๐Ÿ˜‚ They might start to feel bad at four or five months post-infusion, for example. ๐Ÿ˜Š

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kdali

GL! Magnesium works for headaches.

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CatsandCars

Thank you! That's great, because I'm already taking it. ๐Ÿ˜Š

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ms23

Thank you for your informative post. I think itโ€™s a brilliant idea to add your edits to document your experience in one place! I hope the Mavenclad works very well for you and resolves the spasticity and pain. Wishing you the best!

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CatsandCars in reply to ms23

Thank you so much. I found it hard to find multiple posts when I was researching, so I thought I would try doing it this way. I can do a post each time saying there's an update, with a link back to this post. Thank you for your good wishes! ๐Ÿ˜Š

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Robsmom

I hope the Mavenclad works for you. Stay well.

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CatsandCars in reply to Robsmom

Thanks, Robsmom!

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RomCom87

I wish you the best of health with the Mavenclad. I am on Ocrevus and after reading your post I am trying to figure out when my spasticity got so bad. Does it have anything to do with ocrevus. And I had a trip planned to Indonesia. Iโ€™d been planning to go for 4 years. In hindsight I maybe should have rescheduled my infusion but I got it one month before my trip. I went to Indonesia and 5 days into the trip started feeling like I was getting a cold. Turns out it was Covid. Long story short, when I got home I went into the hospital with Covid and pneumonia. I am home now but still coughing and having worse MS symptoms. It would be nice to find a therapy that doesnโ€™t make me immunocompromised. Thank you so very much for taking the time to share your experience! I always find your posts so helpful.

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CatsandCars in reply to RomCom87

I'm so sorry that your trip took such a miserable turn, by the way! I really hope that you feel better very soon. โค๏ธ

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CatsandCars

Thanks, RomCom87. One of the hardest things about MS is all the overthinking I have done trying to figure out why things happen when they do, particularly when things have gotten worse. It's very difficult not knowing if we could have done anything differently. Perhaps I need to work on dealing with the here and now.

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shamoneldy

Hi CatsandCars sending good luck vibes and well wishes on your medication journey. I too took Maveenclad it was an experience but overall ok. Still had a relapse with low enegery levels but its also my first therapy precribed.

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CatsandCars in reply to shamoneldy

Hi, thank you very much. Fatigue has been a problem for me, too, no matter what DMT I've been on. I don't know if you've seen this video? Dr. Boster gives a lot of tips for improving fatigue, although I think I take too many medications for his tips to work. And I'm not doing very well cutting sugar out of my diet, unfortunately. I am better about it than I used to be, but I still need to work on it. I hope you don't have any more relapses. โค๏ธ

youtu.be/T2wYmbCjZMM

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Tazmanian

Good luck and I hope everything turns out well

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CatsandCars in reply to Tazmanian

Thank you, Tazmanian!

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Greentime

Great idea to do updates, I will follow along. I sure hope you get some relief from the spasticity.

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CatsandCars in reply to Greentime

Thanks, Greentime! ๐ŸŒป

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MSFlea

Best of luck with the Mavenclad!! ๐Ÿงก๐Ÿงก๐ŸงกCan you add emojis to your alarms and name them so that you know which one is which? I do that with my alarms, ๐Ÿ˜…๐ŸคฃSo I know what I'm supposed to be doing with which alarm, and I also downloaded an app that lets me put different sounds and music for each alarm ๐Ÿ˜€It can be a hassle to go through finding what sounds I want, but it is also fun to go through and find fun sounds for my alarms and also my ringtone and message alert, ๐ŸคฃAm I allowed to post the app name? I will if I'm allowed

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CatsandCars in reply to MSFlea

I think so. ๐Ÿ˜ Go ahead, I'll take a look at it!

My alarm to take meds was zen music.

I used a cat clock that meowed every hour for water. I got it as a gift and had never used it until yesterday because, well it was annoying and didn't go with my decor.

I know they sound nothing alike, I was just sleepy and impaired. ๐Ÿ˜‚

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MSFlea in reply to CatsandCars

I love the cat clock! That is awesome! I have an Aunt who would love that! My alarm to take meds sings "always look on the bright side of life"

The app is called Zedge, it has annoying ads, but you can download sound bites from lots of shows and movies and songs. My Teens showed me the app. It also just has fun sounds, I told Teen 2 that a kazoo sound would be hilarious for a message alert, and we found a really funny one for it! Of course I don't change my message alert sounds as often as my Teens do, or I'd be wondering who's phone that was going off, and it would be mine, and I'd not know ๐Ÿ™‚๐Ÿคฃ

I hope today is going better for you!๐Ÿงก๐Ÿซ‚

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CatsandCars in reply to MSFlea

Thanks, MSFlea. That sounds like a fun app! ๐Ÿ‘

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AquaZumbaFan

Wishing you the best of luck, CatandCars!! I feel like you are potentially helping a lot of people.

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CatsandCars in reply to AquaZumbaFan

Thanks, AquaZumbaFan! Since it's different from other meds, I really do hope that it will be interesting/helpful for those who would like to learn more. ๐Ÿ˜Š

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Xvettech in reply to AquaZumbaFan

She totally is!

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AquaZumbaFan

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RomCom87

I canโ€™t thank you enough for sharing your experience with us! I donโ€™t know how you have time with all that water you have to drink. ๐Ÿ˜‰ I do truly hope that this is the right treatment for you and that you start to feel the benefits of it soon.

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CatsandCars in reply to RomCom87

Thanks so much, RomCom87! Drinking so much water wasn't bad, surprisingly. It was remembering to drink it that was tricky. I need to find a different alarm app. Mine gets louder and louder if you don't turn it off, which was a bit nerve-shattering. ๐Ÿ˜‚

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