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Soon after diagnosis I joined a group headed by a man who viewed PCa as a modern disease with its origin in the womb. His bugbear was "Estrogen-like endocrine disrupting chemicals" (EEDC).

I had come across the weird PCa risk factor of the second to fourth digit ratio, which seemed like voodoo science, but PubMed has 834 hits for ! The finger ratio is a marker of low testosterone in the womb. From a 2017 study:

"Prognostic significance of the digit ratio after hormone therapy for prostate cancer: a prospective multicenter study" [1]

"The digit ratio has been used as a retrospective noninvasive biomarker to investigate the putative effects of prenatal exposure to androgens. In recent years, many scholars have paid attention to the association between 2D:4D (the second and fourth digits) and prostatic cancer. 

"This study explored the prognostic significance of digit ratio in prostate cancer patients. We reviewed the progressive status and survival of 382 prostate cancer patients who had received hormone therapy at our institutions. 

... & so on ...

"Digit ratio may not only have predictive value in risk but also prognosis of prostatic cancer. This finding suggests that low 2D:4D can be used as prognostic factors to identify patients with a poor prognosis. These patients may benefit from more aggressive management.

"I'll pause a moment while you all go searching for rulers.

When Google Books became available, I went searching for references to PCa in the 1800s.

I should note that the prostate has a long history of being a troublesome gland in aging men. Urologists in the 1800s would have had plenty of patients with BPH issues. 

What I discovered in Google Books was that in textbooks published in the early 1800s, authors commonly denied ever seeing PCa, but sometimes reported that one or two cases had been reported by others. The quote below comes from Walter Hayle Walshe in "The Anatomy, Physiology, Pathology and Treatment of Cancer". It was published in 1849.

Note that a "scirrhus" is cancer that is hard to the touch.

"Page 308, in Cancer of the Genital Organs:

"(B.) PROSTATE GLAND. - True scirrhus is of a singularly rare occurrence in the prostate. Mr. Travers has found the organ occupied by a small tumor, possessing all the characters of scirrhus; and met with instances in which the stony hardness and enlargement of the gland, the bloody seminal discharge, and the peculiar pains felt in the thighs and elsewhere, seemed to leave no doubt of its being the seat of that form of cancer.

"Sir B. Brodie relates two cases of presumed scirrhus of this organ. "There was a constant and severe pain referred to the neck of the bladder, which was not relieved on the urine being drawn off. The urine deposited a considerable quantity of adhesive mucus, and was of ab ammoniacal odor. [This is mere evidence of the existence of chronic cystitis.] The prostate was found on examination to be much enlarged, and of a stony hardness. The patient complained of excruciating pains in different parts of the body, which could be compared to nothing except the pains under which persons afflicted with carcinoma occasionally labor. He subsequently became hemiplegic, and died in a fortnight." "

Two more paragraphs & Walshe was done with PCa as a topic.

By the end of the 1800s, PCa had seemingly become more common. The word "rarity" is no longer used.

PCa would have been under-diagnosed of course, but with metastatic disease, a urologist would have known that a patient had bigger problems than urinary difficulty.

Anyway, I began to wonder if the Industrial Revolution could be implicated. By 1840, the Industrial Revolution would have been going full steam. There would have been a latency period before PCa cases became common.

CADMIUM. (for example)

Cadmium was discovered in Germany in 1817, and Germany was the main supplier of cadmium for nearly a hundred years. It was only due to the onset of WWI that America began to produce cadmium to meet domestic needs.

However, because of the prior lack of interest in extracting cadmium from ore outside of Germany, mining & smelting operations resulted in serious pollution around the world.

Camium is commonly found with zinc, and zinc products are often contaminated with cadmium.

Our bodies have no need for cadmium and it is recognised as being carcinogenic.

From 2001 [2]:

"Prostate cancer has become epidemic, and environmental factors such as cadmium may be partly responsible. This study reports malignant transformation of the nontumorigenic human prostatic epithelial cell line RWPE-1 by in vitro cadmium exposure. The cadmium-transformed cells exhibited a loss of contact inhibition in vitro and rapidly formed highly invasive and occasionally metastatic adenocarcinomas upon inoculation into mice."

From 2007 [3]:

"Case-control study of toenail cadmium and prostate cancer risk in Italy"

"We found an excess cancer risk in subjects in the third and fourth (highest) quartiles of toenail cadmium concentration (odds ratio 1.3 and 4.7, respectively) compared with subjects in the bottom quartile."

From 2008 [4]:

"High cadmium / zinc ratio in cigarette smokers: potential implications as a biomarker of risk of prostate cancer"

(Smokers have increased risk for PCa, Most likely, this is due to the cadmium in cigarette smoke.)

"Tobacco smoke may be one of the most common sources of cadmium (Cd) in the general population, particularly in the rising population of smokers in developing countries. Although a relationship between both cigarette smoking and environmental Cd contamination with prostate cancer exist, the mechanisms are unclear.

"Most prospective cohort studies found a positive association between current smoking and a fatal cancer of the prostate.

"We investigated the interaction between zinc and cadmium and the potential risk of prostate cancer in smokers. Serum cadmium level was significantly ... higher in smokers compared with non-smokers, the level in smokers was three-fold that in non-smokers. In contrast zinc was significantly ... reduced in smokers compared with non-smokers. ... Zinc: cadmium ratio was very significantly ... reduced, implying high cadmium: zinc ratio. This ratio was 4.5-fold the level in non-smokers."

From 2012 [5]:

"Cadmium and its epigenetic effects"

"Cadmium (Cd) is a toxic, nonessential transition metal and contributes a health risk to humans, including various cancers and cardiovascular diseases; however, underlying molecular mechanisms remain largely unknown. Cells transmit information to the next generation via two distinct ways: genetic and epigenetic. Chemical modifications to DNA or histone that alters the structure of chromatin without change of DNA nucleotide sequence are known as epigenetics. These heritable epigenetic changes include DNA methylation, post-translational modifications of histone tails (acetylation, methylation, phosphorylation, etc), and higher order packaging of DNA around nucleosomes. Apart from DNA methyltransferases, histone modification enzymes such as histone acetyltransferase, histone deacetylase, and methyltransferase, and microRNAs (miRNAs) all involve in these epigenetic changes.

"Recent studies indicate that Cd is able to induce various epigenetic changes in plant and mammalian cells in vitro and in vivo. Since aberrant epigenetics plays a critical role in the development of various cancers and chronic diseases, Cd may cause the above-mentioned pathogenic risks via epigenetic mechanisms. Here we review the in vitro and in vivo evidence of epigenetic effects of Cd.

"The available findings indicate that epigenetics occurred in association with Cd induction of malignant transformation of cells and pathological proliferation of tissues, suggesting that epigenetic effects may play a role in Cd toxic, particularly carcinogenic effects. The future of environmental epigenomic research on Cd should include the role of epigenetics in determining long-term and late-onset health effects following Cd exposure."

Epigenetics & Heritability.

Lamarkism, in contrast to Darwinism, had it that parents could pass on characteristics acquired in their lifetime. It's a discredited theory that oddly returned to life with epigenetics. However, with epigenetic heritability, the genes thenselves are unchanged. Alterations that occur above the gene level can be passed on. Too bad the slate isn't wiped clean at conception.

-Patrick

[1] pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/287...

[2] pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/112...

[3] pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/171...

[4] pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/194...

[5] pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/224...

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MateoBeach

Great sleuthing Patrick (Sherlock), "The game is afoot!" I may have lost the thread of the 2nd:4th digit ratios and intrauterine androgens. However, the estrogenic effects (ERa and ERb) mention brought me right back to your recent epigenetic post on Genistein as a phytoestrogen that can promote demethylation / methylation inhibition of DNA as a primary epigenetic mechanism for deactivating specific gene/ gene combinations transcription. And this is the mechanism most persistent and heritable once established. (Vs HDAC and miRNA mechanisms as I recall.)

That is, as opposed to Histone deacetylation ( and counterpart Histone acetylation). Acetylated Histones un-spool gene chromatin to permit transcription = activating the genes; While deacetylated (deacyl) Histones wind the chromatin tightly so the gene is not transcribed. These mechanisms respond to various conditions including inflammation and infection signaling, ROS status, and nutrient sensing giving rise to changes from fasting and caloric restriction, etc. The Sirtuins, (SIR1, SIR2, etc), that are being explored in relation to longevity are a class of Histone deacetylases (HDAC) that require NAD+ as well as Zn++. Their activity is also regulated by phytonutrients (resveratrol), mTOR inhibition (rapamycin) and Metformin.

Now enter a heavy metal toxin (Cadmium) into the equation. Don't know what to do about it except to avoid smoke and smoking. Perhaps the actual plague of PCa. I raise a glass with all of my digits to your sleuthing! Thank you. Dr MB "Watson"

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/171...

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MateoBeach in reply toMateoBeach

BTW, The excellent book by Siddhartha Mukheerjee "The Gene: An Intimate History" includes and excellent treatment of epigenetic mechanisms and evidence for inheritance of epigenetic patterns

amazon.com/Gene-Intimate-Hi...

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pjoshea13 in reply toMateoBeach

Thanks. I have a copy.

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pjoshea13 in reply toMateoBeach

It might have been 2007 when I asked my doctor for Metformin. My fasting glucose was high, but not high enough for him, so I thought I would wind him up a little - I asked for Valproic Acid. That got him going.

I had no problem getting the Metformin from my integrative medicine doc, but I wasn't ready to mess with Valproic Acid and it's been a long while since I tought of it..

Valproic Acid is "primarily used to treat epilepsy and bipolar disorder and prevent migraine headaches. They are useful for the prevention of seizures in those with absence seizures, partial seizures, and generalized seizures. They can be given intravenously or by mouth, and the tablet forms exist in both long- and short-acting formulations." [1]

Valproic Acid inhibits Histone Deacetylase.

"In 2020, it was the 109th most commonly prescribed medication in the United States, with more than 6 million prescriptions." [1] The point being that one should be able to get an off-label script after exhausting SoC options.

From the latest paper (Sep 2022) [2]:

"From HDAC to Voltage-Gated Ion Channels: What’s Next? The Long Road of Antiepileptic Drugs Repositioning in Cancer"

"This review is aimed at highlighting the anti-tumor activity that several antiepileptic drugs (AEDs) exert in breast, prostate and other types of cancers, mainly focusing on their ability to block the voltage-gated Na+ and Ca++channels, as well as to inhibit the activity of histone deacetylases (HDACs), all well-documented tumor markers and/or molecular targets. The existence of additional AEDs molecular targets is highly suspected. Therefore, the repurposing of already available drugs as adjuvants in cancer treatment would have several advantages ..."

Take a look at Section 4. AEDs and Prostate Cancer

-Patrick

[1] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valpr...

[2] ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

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GreenStreet

Interesting my 2D and 4D seem to be exactly the same size does that make it a high or low ratio? My mother never smoked but I now realise that in my years leading up to puberty I lived within 2km of what was Europes biggest Cadmium smelter plant at Avonmouth north of Bristol. We were pretty much in prevailing wind for 4 years and unwise enough back in the early 70s to eat home grown vegetables. Foliage nearby was subsequently found to have extremely high lead content. My genetic marker study at the RMH showed no genetic tendency/connection to PCA. There is no family history of PCA or breast cancer. Makes me wonder whether exposure to Cadmium through puberty could have had an impact but who knows? I have never smoked

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pjoshea13 in reply toGreenStreet

Regarding smoking. I didn't smoke but I certainly had exposure to tobacco smoke. Smokers were more common than non-smokers in work places, pubs, etc, in my early adult life. I'm thinking that ex-smokers started to become common in the late 1980s (here in the U.S.), although that didn't deter smokers from lighting up in the office. Eventually, the lawyers became concerned about second-hand smoke lawsuits, and smokers were banished to the outdoors. It came too late in the day for me, I feel, although I am probably not going to die of lung cancer.

I grew up in England, so I know how popular the "allotment" system was, where people could apply for a plot of land to grow their own produce. A few years ago, I was reading that many allotment holders were being advised to use their plots only for growing flowers. LOL.

As a child, I lived not far downwind from what was the largest producing copper mine in 1850. The smelting operation would only have cared about the copper - not with anything that went into the air and fell on arable land or into drinking water. There were no rules. We still live with the fallout from the Industrial Revolution, imo.

-Patrick

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GreenStreet in reply topjoshea13

Completely agree particularly with the last sentence! Agree re secondary smoking massive in U.K. pubs or indoor music venues. I saw a U Tube programme on Avonmouth in the 70s all the workers had to shower and leave clothes/ had special cleaning arrangements when they left the plant. Almost comically (because originally I think the programme was extolling the virtues of the plant) it filmed part of the plant health and safety meeting and it appeared that the window was open because someone in the meeting was smoking!

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Justfor_ in reply toGreenStreet

Neither low nor high, you have a unity ratio.

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GreenStreet in reply toJustfor_

Thanks

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Justfor_ in reply toGreenStreet

Don't thank me because things are not so clear cut. The published graphs have a slice value of 0.95. Consequently, unity is on the high side which is not the good prognostic group WRONG SEE FOLLOWING POST. Contradicting the graphs is the text that reads : "The risk of any progression of PCa similarly depressed with increasing 2D:4D.....". I just don't understand. Depressed should denote lower risk, right? But the graphs clearly depict higher percentages of "Cancer specific survival" for 2D:4D ratios less than 0.95. Is it a typo or my understanding of the verb "depress" is flawed? For me depressing something is relaxing any excerted force onto it. I really don't understand.

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GreenStreet in reply toJustfor_

I was not sure, when I clicked thru one of the articles my understanding was if one was longer than the other and it was the favourable one= good outcome , if the wrong one was shorter = bad outcome and if equal less bad outcome but not the good outcome because the favourable one was not longer. I am totally confused but I am not going to cut a finger tip off!!

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Justfor_ in reply toGreenStreet

Just looked at the full text. The graph annotations are in error! Ratios above 0.95 gave an average of 6 to 11 more months (depending on right or left hand ratio) in "Median progression free survival time". So, we are in the favourable prognostic group.

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GreenStreet in reply toJustfor_

Thanks 👍 that is nice to know I might have a glass of red wine to celebrate that. BTW I hope your bicalutamide regime is going well. I am keeping an eye on that. My oncologist would never support it. Strictly SOC but I need to find a way

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lcfcpolo

Soo. My 2nd finger digit is quite a lot shorter than my 4th ring finger digit. Same on both hands. This implies, correctly in my case, that I am more at risk of prostate cancer. Is there anything we can do about this with Advanced Prostate Cancer.

By that I believe it implies that when I was in the womb my Mum had some sort of estrogen or testosterone surge. How do we reverse this or manage it. I'm currently on Xtandi and ADT plus some supplements, is there anything else that is needed?

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