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Metastasis Directed Therapy (MDT) is here to stay for Oligometastatic Patients!!! Part (2) Cryo and Thermal Ablation

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Greetings FPC Members,

Metastasis Directed Therapy (MDT) is becoming a standard of treatment in oligometastatic patients. For my next items, I would like to see where we are using cryosurgery and thermal ablation (laser, radiofrequency or photodynamic) in MDT.

Since my initial post, I found an interesting article on treating oligometastatic Pca

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

People ask why should we use MDT because isn't this “whack-a-mole” and once metastasis occurs then it is over, right??

Another hypothesis has come forth for explaining the rationale for aggressive treatment of oligometastatic Pca patients- A concept of “tumor self-seeding,” which suggests that circulating tumor cells can colonize their own origin of metastatic deposits. In other words, the primary tumor may act as a self-seeding site for circulating tumor cells to be primed and deposited at metastatic sites. This lends support to the notion that local therapy of the primary tumor and/or the metastatic deposits may inhibit the development of new metastases by altering the tumor microenvironment. An article on tumor “self seeding”:

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

Thus, the basis for treating the prostate and oligometrastatic sites is to eliminate areas of seeding and prevent transmission of mRNA between existing tumors. This could theoretically help to reduce or eliminate resistance, enhance systemic therapy, alter the tumor microenvironment, possible abscopal effect, and ultimately...slow progression.

Recently, a study was done using cryosurgery with a check point inhibitor injected intratumorally with sangrostim and the results were impressive. Among the 19 evaluable PCa patients, there were 9 (47%) Complete Responses and no PRs, for an ORR of 47%. 5 (26%) patients showed Stable Disease, and 5 (26%) progressed. 13/21 (62%) of patients had post-therapy PSA reductions of >50%.

12 PCa patients were ADT-naïve (11 evaluable by RECIST) and there were 9 with mCRPC (8 evaluable by RECIST), and positive responses were seen in both groups, with ORRs of 55% and 38%, respectively, and PSA reductions of > 50% in 75% and 44% of patients, respectively. The article below:

abstractsonline.com/pp8/#!/...

Need I say it, but.... A COMBO....

From here a look at thermal ablation which may involve laser, radiofrequency, or photodynamic ablation. Below is an institutional study in treating oligometastatic disease in prostate cancer. This study included RF ablation and resulted in good control and delay of ADT.

sciencedirect.com/science/a...

Recently, Photodynamic therapy showed great potential for treating the primary using nanoparticles. One of the coming therapies is the Aurolase for those seeking initial treatment of prostate cancer using gold silica nanoshells—the article below:

sciencedaily.com/releases/2...

But Don...How do we find/target those mets just too small for a PET/CT or MRI?? I would suggest we start using nanoparticles that can target small tumors using substances like PSMA or EGFR—see below:

sciencedaily.com/releases/2...

So where is MDT headed regarding cryotherapy and thermal ablation?? Again, I believe we will see more trials involving combo therapy---MDT PLUS directly or indirectly into the tumors--. The use of check point inhibitors, immune system stimulators, nanoparticles with choose one: a) chemo, B) radiopharmaceutical, c) photodynamic capability.

I hope Part (2) of MDT has been enlightening and welcome questions...

Don Pescado

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Any idea why I can’t get your links to work?? So want to read them.

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It keeps saying BAD REQUEST, maybe something to do with my phone settings??

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OK, it worked on my laptop!! Thx

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I get this when I click on them and then I can click on the website:

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Works for me

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NPfisherman in reply to6357axbz

And this works for me....from Practice Update:

practiceupdate.com/journals...

22% bNED without systemic therapy.....I am watching all of this hopefully....

Fish

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6357axbz in reply toNPfisherman

Fish, are you “Oligorecurrent”?

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NPfisherman in reply to6357axbz

I can not be sure what I am....LOL....at initial diagnosis, bone and MRI scans were negative... placed on apalutamide trial, had RP, was no evidence of disease post surgery in LN and had undetectable PSA.....8 months later, I had BCR, still negative on scans and had Axumin scan to find one lytic lesion...Lytic lesions are less detectable on bone and MRI scans, so likely I was oligometastatic de novo at diagnosis and not oligorecurrent... none the less, this study further backs up the fact that oligometastatic patients may be in that window where long remissions/cure is possible...

From my prior post on the STOMP trial:The primary endpoint of ADT-free survival was achieved by 34% of the MDT group and 8% of the surveillance group over 5 years, a significant difference that correlated to a hazard ratio (HR) of 0.57 in favor of active treatment.

Oligorecurrent or oligometastatic de novo, MDT just makes good sense !!!!

Fish

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NPfisherman in reply to6357axbz

Oligorecurrent prostate cancer generally refers to the development of limited sites of distant dissemination after primary radical prostatectomy (RP) or radiotherapy (RT), whereas de novo oligometastasis references a separate group with prostate cancer that has spread to limited areas before any definitive therapy. Sorry I forgot the de novo earlier...

Fish

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De novo. That’s me

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NPfisherman in reply to6357axbz

I suspect me as well... The question is does "taking out the mothership" as Nalakrats says provide not only a reduction in tumor cells, but eliminates crucial messaging through mRNA that allows the disease to evolve faster. Did we wipe out messaging centers with SBRT and surgery that held crucial information for the disease to survive and evolve. There are trials now on the benefit of surgery in OM PCa-here is one:

clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show...

Fish

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A look at the number of trials for cytoreductive prostatectomy in HSPC:

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/321...

There are a lot... If this proves out, then those who had a chance to get some form of tumor reduction and did not should be encouraged to seek treatment if their status has remained stable....

Fish

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Good post, Fish. I have some relevant info that I will do in a new post, since it might just get lost in the replies. I am also working on a post on cholesterol that should be of interest to ALL cancer patients. May take me a couple of days. Go catch some fish in the meantime. Be Well - K9

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K9 Terror,

Too busy working on the garden to fish....got a fishing trip planned in May.... I'll keep my peepers open for your posts...

Be safe and stay well....

Fish

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Fish, just re-reading your profile. Are you currently on ADT vacation? If so for how long?

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