What CBD oil does everybody use? If they use it?With or without THC?

[Boyboy15]

What CBD oil does everybody use? If they use it?

With or without THC?

[desquinn Partner Volunteer FMAUK Trustee]

CBD with THC is not legal within the UK. Also please do not promote suppliers.

[Boyboy15 in reply to desquinn]

I’m not promoting!

I’m asking a question

[desquinn Partner Volunteer FMAUK Trustee in reply to Boyboy15]

Hi Boyboy15 - I appreciate that and was not accusing you but was trying to make it clear for everyone.

[Mrspainting48 in reply to desquinn]

This reply should be given when all drugs prescribed for the treatment of RA and Fibromyalgia..........They should all come with a Health Warning too.....

The so called side effects of prescribed drugs are vast.....

Cbd oil side effects are minimum....without THC.......

MY OPINION.

[desquinn Partner Volunteer FMAUK Trustee in reply to Mrspainting48]

the drugs have had clinical trials on human safety and efficacy where as CBD is a food supplement without these. The drugs also carry warning information. We have no information from trials on efficacy of CBD, dosage amounts, contraindications or any of the other info that RCTs record. At present CBD is a citizen science experiment with no recording of info, no rules and no plan. Just people participating as guinea pigs with random substances.

The above is not me saying there is not a place for it but it should be tested in the right way and the info recorded. If we spoke about salt we know that 6g a day is bad for us but if we did not then the resulting health complications would be for the general public to pick up 20+ years later.

This is not a game of whatabout but if we are taking something as a medicine then it should be treated as one and I would love more research into it and then more people to benefit from it.

[Mrspainting48 in reply to desquinn]

Thank you for your reply......

Like you i feel more research should be done into CBD....

Unfortunatly while the pharmaceutical companies and supporters make much more money out of the very toxic mainly chemical

drugs.....CBD oil will remain a mystery....

My view there is room to test and give everthing a try....so we can all then make our own imformed decisions on what we put in our bodies....

The one question i ask

Cannabis a natural substance has been used by many for many many years...It has bad and good ratings....so why is it not tested..

And why are man made chemical drugs with big leaflets telling all the dangers and bad side effects...tested and allowed........

[desquinn Partner Volunteer FMAUK Trustee in reply to Mrspainting48]

again this is whatabout rather what should be done. Also the biggest cash business in the US is cannabis with billion dollar companies focussing on this. There is money to be made and people are doing so. So the pharma economics argument does not work.

Salt is natural and can kill you, peanuts, water, and kidney beans. Short term and long term effects need to be gauged. We know from trials that cannabis can be harmful to some groups and not advised from a developmental point of view in children.

Also the pejorative use of chemical is not helpful as I would much rather than a synthetic/processed chemical version of cannabis that I know is the same dose and make up every single time if it works. But the bud or oil is still a chemical that is cultivated or processed through a synthetic process.

However, this is an aside as the forum is about allowing things in accordance with its rules. CBD with THC is illegal so that would not be okay on here. But asking for more research or encouraging government to get the research done so we can be confident that the results are beneficial and safe. Current clinical trials are based on the horrific results of the great drug thalidomide. It was great at the time until its side effects were found later. Its having a resurgence in targeted use for cancer.

This all comes down to understanding what we are putting in our body and being confident in it. Suffering in constant pain does not put is in the best place to decide sometimes as we just want the release from the suffering.

[Mrspainting48 in reply to desquinn]

The NHS use CBD as a treatment for to my knowledge four illnesses....its also used as an anti sickness drug for those who experience very bad sickness..when useing cancer related drugs.....

Yes money is being made out of the sales of cannabis.....so a most definite

Testing and regulation is needed...

Pain can and does influence what we put in our bodies to reduce it....

Its time we were given the free choice and to be fully imformed of what the full effects of all drugs do.

How many people actually read and understand the paper work that comes within a drug packet....

This discussion will go on not by me but by hundreds of others....

Thank you for your time....

Lets hope one day soon. Things will be allowed to be researched and put to the good use of helping everyone safely...With out horrible side effects.....

[desquinn Partner Volunteer FMAUK Trustee in reply to Mrspainting48]

they do not use CBD at all but there is medicinal cannabis and cannabis medicine being prescribed. The cannabis medicine has went through RCTs.

"Its time we were given the free choice and to be fully imformed of what the full effects of all drugs do."

This is what the leaflets and trials are trying to achieve. But it is complicated even with this info and is why we need pharmacists and GPs. You are asking to be fully informed but not wanting to read the information which seems to be an unresolvable quandary.

CBD is not cannabis and CBD oil is not cannabis oil. Add to this medicinal cannabis and cannabis medicine not being the same thing and then there is recreational cannabis that has its own variants.

[Mrspainting48 in reply to desquinn]

It seems you have strong opinions on CBD........and you come across much too biased......Once again i will try close this.....and thank you for your personal replies.....

My thoughts and conclusions after reading your replies ....are.....No change....

Also i said most people do not read the leaflets......I did not say myself....

I am trying to get as much imformation as i can ...by reading and listening but if my written word is not read correctly...........

[desquinn Partner Volunteer FMAUK Trustee in reply to Mrspainting48]

I do have strong opinions and am in favour of it being used for chronic pain (after trials) but there is a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding about the different categories.

The last post was not my opinion as such as I was trying to relay facts. Perhaps the statement about the unresolvable quandary was an opinion. But that is more about when info is provided it still needs to be read and understood.

FMA UK are supporting a number of groups / trials that are trying to move this subject from anecdotal to actual evidence. But the charity cannot recommend a food supplement (CBD) as a treatment and the government needs to encourage more research on medicinal cannabis.

[Shazzzy in reply to Mrspainting48]

I read Des Quinn's reply as an unbiased and factual account. He is merely relating facts as there is a lot of confusion around the interpretation of CBD, cannabis, and NHS prescription drugs.

[monica45 in reply to Shazzzy]

Cannabis is legal here in Canada and I do use the oil straight on to the teeth and gums where the Vasculitis pain is.Do not abuse it and it helps when nothing else does.Monica